Bee: Trading Artest won't be easy

gunks said:
And THANK YOU Bricklayer...I dunno what people's fascination with Frye is (do we really need another frontcourt player who doesnt rebound or block shots?). If we send Ron to NY I'd rather get Balkman or Lee + expirings back.
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I'd definitely prefer Balkman to Frye.
 
Vlade4GM said:
We're not going to compete next year, so what's the poing in keeping him? So he can make our team slightly better? Trade him for an ender and a pick.
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If that's the thinking, then why don't we try to move Bibby and Miller first. I would rather move the pieces that are actually hurting us...they're making more $$ each season while their productivity is declining.
 
reyes13 said:
If that's the thinking, then why don't we try to move Bibby and Miller first. I would rather move the pieces that are actually hurting us...they're making more $$ each season while their productivity is declining.
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Um, well I want Bibby moved as much as Artest and I want Miller moved more than either of them. However Miller is most likely untradeable because of his hideous contract. We have no use for Bibby or Artest next year since we're not going to compete and they both have opt outs next year. Artest will still be attractive to some because he can be gotten for relatively little and his contract isn't much to take on.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Um, well I want Bibby moved as much as Artest and I want Miller moved more than either of them. However Miller is most likely untradeable because of his hideous contract. We have no use for Bibby or Artest next year since we're not going to compete and they both have opt outs next year. Artest will still be attractive to some because he can be gotten for relatively little and his contract isn't much to take on.
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You have made it a point to say we will not compete next year in your last 2 post. Just wondering are you trying to intice an argument with someone saying we will just for arguments sake or strictly out of boredom?
 
Entity said:
You have made it a point to say we will not compete next year in your last 2 post. Just wondering are you trying to intice an argument with someone saying we will just for arguments sake or strictly out of boredom?
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No, I'm saying it because that's my opinion and it's relevant to who we keep/let go. That's all.
 
Entity said:
I was under the impression that you meant we wouldn't compete no matter what we did who kept/signed or got as a coach.
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Oh, we're going to compete. The question is, for what? If Petrie goes for the quick fix with some vets, maybe we compete for the 8th playoff spot, and remain in mediocredom for as far as you can see. If he goes with youth, we compete for the #1 draft pick next year.
 
Why are the Kings so concerned about trading Artest? He may not be perfect but he at least puts in 100% every game. I would think the organization would be more concerned with trading Miller and KT first. Maybe get rid of SAR as well.
 
Kingster said:
Oh, we're going to compete. The question is, for what? If Petrie goes for the quick fix with some vets, maybe we compete for the 8th playoff spot, and remain in mediocredom for as far as you can see. If he goes with youth, we compete for the #1 draft pick next year.
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That's basically what I mean, we're not going to compete for anything worthwhile and we're far better off just finally rebuilding instead of trying to keep this team on life support one more year.
 
Bibby_10 said:
Why are the Kings so concerned about trading Artest? He may not be perfect but he at least puts in 100% every game. I would think the organization would be more concerned with trading Miller and KT first. Maybe get rid of SAR as well.
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Probably because no team will touch their contracts.
 
Vlade4GM said:
That's basically what I mean, we're not going to compete for anything worthwhile and we're far better off just finally rebuilding instead of trying to keep this team on life support one more year.
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No disagreement here. Even though I hope he doesn't do it, pray he doesn't do it, I think Petrie goes for the quick fix. I don't think he and the Maloofs are willing to endure the pain of a youth movement. Hopefully, he pleasantly surprises me.
 
Kingster said:
No disagreement here. Even though I hope he doesn't do it, pray he doesn't do it, I think Petrie goes for the quick fix. I don't think he and the Maloofs are willing to endure the pain of a youth movement. Hopefully, he pleasantly surprises me.
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I think the fact Petrie said they're going to be aggressive this off-season speaks volumes, as do the repeated comments by the Maloofs indicating they've pretty much learned their lesson and are going to let Petrie do his job.

Petrie won't be going for quick fixes. I suspect he's going to be limited only by the salary cap AND the contracts of a couple of players - like Miller and Thomas - that could hamper some deals.
 
VF21 said:
I think the fact Petrie said they're going to be aggressive this off-season speaks volumes, as do the repeated comments by the Maloofs indicating they've pretty much learned their lesson and are going to let Petrie do his job.

Petrie won't be going for quick fixes. I suspect he's going to be limited only by the salary cap AND the contracts of a couple of players - like Miller and Thomas - that could hamper some deals.
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Well, he can be aggressive and still go for the quick fix. There could be three or four new faces on this team next year, maybe more, so that would be aggressive. But are they going to fit in the vet mold - e.g. Kenny Thomas, Corliss, SAR, Salmons, etc., or are they going for the youth? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen one teency weenie little dwarf of a word from Petrie on what vision he has for this team, and whether he wants to go young or not. I agree with you, though, on the fact that some players, like Miller, and probably Thomas, are set in stone. But are these two guys going to be surrounded by youngins, or more milk-toast vets?

Petrie said he thought last year's team was good enough to get to the playoffs. That was even with Bibby and Miller having terrible years. (I think that's WACKY). My read is that he thinks the problem then is (1) chemistry (i.e. Artest, SAR/Thomas, lack of rebounding), and (2) coaching. So, my best guess is that he thinks trading Artest, re-arranging the chairs with some other vets who complement one another, getting a new coach, is the ticket, literally and figuratively. Like I said - I hope I'm wrong.
 
Bibby_10 said:
Why are the Kings so concerned about trading Artest? He may not be perfect but he at least puts in 100% every game. I would think the organization would be more concerned with trading Miller and KT first. Maybe get rid of SAR as well.
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Are you for real?! :eek:

There is a LOT LOT more to being a professional athlete than just giving 100% every game. When you weigh up the positives and negatives of having Ron Artest, the negatives outweigh the positives so he must be moved. He is one player that can single handedly ruin a franchise and he has proven it. Just ask Indiana.
 
I think its going to be the most interesting offseason in a long long time. We haven't made a BIG trade since Williams for Bibby or maybe when we got Miller (although we didn't give up much in that trade).

I actually look for us to be in some draft night trades and switches.
 
Entity said:
I think its going to be the most interesting offseason in a long long time. We haven't made a BIG trade since Williams for Bibby or maybe when we got Miller (although we didn't give up much in that trade).

I actually look for us to be in some draft night trades and switches.
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I think the Webber and Artest trades would certianly have to count as big. Not to mention the Mobley and Bonzi moves. Just been a long time since we got any long term benefit from one. ;)
 
I thought i said offseason. Webber and Mobley were mid season. Bonzi wasn't a big trade as we sent oft injured BJax for him and at the time most thought it was a bad deal. Nothing franchise changing in the offseason like I think it could be this year. Any time you got salaries like Artest and Bibby being up for trades its bound to be franchise changing though
 
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