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Playoff fringe? Kings might be just dregs of conference
By Sam Amick - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 12:08 am PDT Friday, March 16, 2007

Ron Artest stunk, and he knew it.

And not just in the body odor sense.

The Kings small forward scored 21 points against Charlotte on Wednesday, but his play in the closing minutes was far from flattering. There was an Artest turnover on an attempted dribble-drive, a play that seemed atoned for when he buried a three-pointer with 30 seconds left to put the Kings up by three.

But then Artest missed one of two crucial free throws and, finally, fell sprawling to the floor after being called for a charge that -- while questionable -- ended another fruitless possession as the Kings lost their fourth consecutive game. In a nearly vacant locker room afterward, Artest was ready to sacrifice his sanitization in light of the latest stinker.

"After a loss like that, I get to take a shower?" he asked the team's media relations corps. "I get to have my cake and eat it, too? I don't deserve a shower."

It's becoming increasingly questionable whether the Kings deserve a shot at the final playoff spot in the Western Conference, otherwise known as the cake no one wants to eat. Yet despite the losing streak and an 0-2 start to a five-game road trip, they are just one game behind in what is becoming a race of futility.

The Los Angeles Clippers just yielded the eighth spot to Golden State and have lost their past five games, while 10th-place Minnesota won Tuesday after losing five of its previous six games. Then there's New Orleans, loser of six in a row. The Hornets are one game out of the final playoff spot -- the same as a Kings squad that swears it wants to shower quickly and clean up its act.

Although the Kings are making a playoff push as they did last season, they lack the dominance and perhaps the desire that marked the turnaround of 2005-06. There have been flashes -- a recent stretch of eight wins in 12 games, for example -- but nothing sustained and typically followed by a losing streak.

At this date last season, the Kings were 33-31, having won 14 of 18 games and effectively spooked the conference's elite. No one's scared now, except the Kings.

"I definitely don't think anybody's giving in or not into it, but it's getting to a serious point where we've got to really start making a push or we're going to be out of it," forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim said. "I think this time last year, we might have been a little more desperate than we are (now). It seems that way, that we were a little scrappier ... than what we are right now."

Before Artest finally hit the showers in Charlotte, a visibly frustrated Francisco García sat at his locker and slowly organized his belongings. He had defended Derek Anderson when Anderson drove for a layup with 25 seconds left and García's swipe at the ball wasn't enough as the Bobcats pulled within 107-106. Charlotte won 111-108.

García, whose role as spirit-lifter has increased in recent weeks, said the team isn't quitting.

"We've just got to keep our spirits up -- that's all," García said. "It's not over yet. I mean, I don't think it's over. I don't think nobody in this locker room thinks it's over, so we've just got to go out there against Miami, play our game and see what happens."

Swingman John Salmons, who wasn't around last season, said execution has been more of a problem than passion.

"I think the desire is there," he said. "But we got out of our old habits for a while and then fell back into them. We're just not playing defense as a unit, not playing as a team."

As for Artest, he took a rare pass when asked if there was enough desire among him and his teammates to sneak into the playoffs.

"You've got to ask everybody individually," he said.

"Ask everybody and get an assessment, put it together and see what you come up with. See who's telling the truth, and see who's not telling the truth."

The truth of the postseason is that the eighth seed is widely seen as the sacrificial lamb, with the likely matchup pitting a sub-.500 team against a Dallas club that's on pace to win 68 games.

"I don't back down to no one," Artest said of possibly facing the Mavericks. "We're going to win for sure. Once we get in there, we'll be OK."

About the writer: The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at samick@sacbee.com.
 
It's becoming increasingly questionable whether the Kings deserve a shot at the final playoff spot in the Western Conference, otherwise known as the cake no one wants to eat.

Pretty much lays it all out right there...
 
It's becoming increasingly questionable whether the Kings deserve a shot at the final playoff spot in the Western Conference, otherwise known as the cake no one wants to eat.

I not only want to not eat it, I want to not have it, too. And I'm feeling sure that I will get my wish.

Charlotte and Atlanta were supposed to be our easiest games on this road trip, and that was assuming Okafor was playing. Right now I'm thinking that expecting 1-4 is fair, if not a bit optimistic. We're in 12th place in the West, and lose any conceivable tie-breakers, because we have worse Division AND Conference records than anyone in the West expect for Memphis or Seattle. Portland's schedule is easier than ours, so we may bump them out of 13th place about a week from now.

Hurry up, offseason!
 
As for Artest, he took a rare pass when asked if there was enough desire among him and his teammates to sneak into the playoffs.

"You've got to ask everybody individually," he said.

"Ask everybody and get an assessment, put it together and see what you come up with. See who's telling the truth, and see who's not telling the truth."
This is the part that bothers me. If this was a TEAM with chemistry, that was on the same page, that were working together toward a common goal, nobody would say you have to ask everybody individually. Wow, this is a sad commentary to me on the state of the Kings. Just reminds me of how far down we've come down. :(
 
Yeah that quote by Ron is what stuck out to me also. It seems like he is questioning everybody's else's desire. That is some cancerous behavior right there.
 
Yeah that quote by Ron is what stuck out to me also. It seems like he is questioning everybody's else's desire. That is some cancerous behavior right there.

Unless there's some truth to it. How long can even Ron go on saying that we're the best team in the league when we play like that?
 
It's becoming increasingly questionable whether the Kings deserve a shot at the final playoff spot in the Western Conference, otherwise known as the cake no one wants to eat.

i donno about anybody else here but ron and i absolutely love cake!
 
Good grief! Consider the source. It was Ron Artest saying that. Not one of his teammates would ever say anything like that (whether they thought that or not)--it is so demeaning to his teammates. He is a cancer to this team and doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself-----on the other hand, me thinks he doesn't have the sense to know what he says or does. Pretty sad. Annie.
 
"We've just got to keep our spirits up -- that's all," García said. "It's not over yet. I mean, I don't think it's over. I don't think nobody in this locker room thinks it's over, so we've just got to go out there against Miami, play our game and see what happens."

As for Artest, he took a rare pass when asked if there was enough desire among him and his teammates to sneak into the playoffs.

"You've got to ask everybody individually," he said.

"Ask everybody and get an assessment, put it together and see what you come up with. See who's telling the truth, and see who's not telling the truth."

I think that Bobcats loss created some cracks of confidence. Garcia sounds like he doesn't know if it's over or if others in the locker room think that it's over. Artest is wondering about the desire of teamates, another indication that he wonders if his teamates think it's over. If you're really wondering if it's over, you are very close to knowing it's over....
 
Good grief! Consider the source. It was Ron Artest saying that. Not one of his teammates would ever say anything like that (whether they thought that or not)--it is so demeaning to his teammates. He is a cancer to this team and doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself-----on the other hand, me thinks he doesn't have the sense to know what he says or does. Pretty sad. Annie.

Its probably because none of his teamates are as competitive as he is. Chris Webber had said something similar after the loss against the T-Wolves in 2004. Ron is not the cancer on the team. Ron is one of the only ones who gives a damn. Miller, Thomas, Bibby have played like crap all season long. I would be questioning their desire too at this point.
 
I think that Bobcats loss created some cracks of confidence. Garcia sounds like he doesn't know if it's over or if others in the locker room think that it's over. Artest is wondering about the desire of teamates, another indication that he wonders if his teamates think it's over. If you're really wondering if it's over, you are very close to knowing it's over....

Oh its over, and has been for some time. Put it this way -- we were 44-38 last year as the #8 seed. To acompish that this year we'd have to finish the season 16-2. And that with games against Phoenix (twice) San Antonio, Dallas and Utah still upcoming. But that doesn't mean that we still couldn't stumble and bumble our way backwards into a playoff spot just to complete our wretched season. The patheticness of all the competition is the only thing keeping this thing even remotely "alive" (undead might be a better term). The way everybody is simultaneously collapsing (and not all are fighting it) there's an outside chance you could go end up facing the 65+ win Mavs with something truly pathetic like a 38-44 "playoff team" or some such (although even that requires a blistering 10-8 finish).
 
Oh its over, and has been for some time. Put it this way -- we were 44-38 last year as the #8 seed. To acompish that this year we'd have to finish the season 16-2. And that with games against Phoenix (twice) San Antonio, Dallas and Utah still upcoming. But that doesn't mean that we still couldn't stumble and bumble our way backwards into a playoff spot just to complete our wretched season. The patheticness of all the competition is the only thing keeping this thing even remotely "alive" (undead might be a better term). The way everybody is simultaneously collapsing (and not all are fighting it) there's an outside chance you could go end up facing the 65+ win Mavs with something truly pathetic like a 38-44 "playoff team" or some such (although even that requires a blistering 10-8 finish).

I can't recall such a horrible group "competing" for the 8th spot in recent WC history. This is just ugly. And our team is right in the middle of the muck.

Not sure "patheticness" is a word, but it certainly fits in this case. ;)
 
Oh its over, and has been for some time. Put it this way -- we were 44-38 last year as the #8 seed. To acompish that this year we'd have to finish the season 16-2. And that with games against Phoenix (twice) San Antonio, Dallas and Utah still upcoming. But that doesn't mean that we still couldn't stumble and bumble our way backwards into a playoff spot just to complete our wretched season. The patheticness of all the competition is the only thing keeping this thing even remotely "alive" (undead might be a better term). The way everybody is simultaneously collapsing (and not all are fighting it) there's an outside chance you could go end up facing the 65+ win Mavs with something truly pathetic like a 38-44 "playoff team" or some such (although even that requires a blistering 10-8 finish).

I like that - "undead". LOL. The Night of the Living Undead. That could be the perfect title for this season.

What I'm trying to get at is whether the players themselves think it's over. Up until now, I don't think that they were wondering about that question. But after Charlotte, and after Miami, Orlando and Atlanta, we'll see. If the team does think it's over, then the close games could easily become the blowouts and the blowouts become the massacres. The vets will certainly be thinking a lot more about off-season vacations, if they they will be traded, or even if they want to ask for a trade.
 
this team flat out sucks. we can thank management for that. at this point i dont expect the kings to make the playoffs. they've shown too much inconsistency.
Get on a winning streak then cough up the same amount of games that they’ve managed to win. They can lose on any given night. To the worst team(s). there’s no way in hell to predict what they’re gonna do or how they’re gonna play next
 
Originally posted by Bibby 10:

Its probably because none of his teamates are as competitive as he is. Chris Webber had said something similar after the loss against the T-Wolves in 2004. Ron is not the cancer on the team. Ron is one of the only ones who gives a damn. Miller, Thomas, Bibby have played like crap all season long. I would be questioning their desire too at this point.
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What Artest said regarding his teammates was wrong and it was wrong when Chris Webber said it! Ron does give a damn about Ron and his fantasy world of statements but not his teammates or anyone else. He needs to leave. Annie.
 
this team flat out sucks. we can thank management for that. at this point i dont expect the kings to make the playoffs. they've shown too much inconsistency.
Get on a winning streak then cough up the same amount of games that they’ve managed to win. They can lose on any given night. To the worst team(s). there’s no way in hell to predict what they’re gonna do or how they’re gonna play next

Management is getting a lot of flak, a lot of it justified. Our decline however, has also been caused by the steep drop in performance by some of the key guys.

In particular, Bibby, Brad and Reef are playing nowhere near the level of all stars/near all stars they were till relatively recently. None of them is really old, so this drop is all the more saddening. Coupled with the huge time and money left on their contracts, they are virtually unmovable.

Should management have anticipated this? To some extent, yes. Miller's play, particularly on the defensive end, has been in decline for quite a while now. It came out most starkly against Seatle two years back, when Jerome James abused him. Bibby too, while playing well last year, has nowhere been near the level we all love him for. Reef has been quite a disappointment. When he came on board, we all were excited, and we thought he was quite a bargain at MLE. Given his recent play, that doesn't seem such a sure call now.

Given the huge crop of big men coming in this draft, Brad and Reef shall be virtually untradable. We still might be able to trade Mike, given that he is the youngest, still a very good player, has a large, but a shorter contract. Plus, there aren't many good PGs in the upcoming draft. Teams looking to make a deep run in the next year's playoffs shall be happy to get the services of a playoff tested veteran.
 
What is Ron supposed to say?

He's not the type of guy to just say the cliche thing. He may say odd things...but he speaks his mind.

And really, with the effort the majority of guys give...he has a point.
 
Did somebody say cake?!

At this point ive kind of lost hope on making it to the playoffs, but i guess thats for the better, i want to get a decent pick in the draft, but the question is...will we just bench that player like we do recent pickups?
 
The rookies will never play well and the team will never succeed until Musselman opens up the floor and lets the players really play. He needs to just let the team loose. I don't want him to do it now because it's too late. But next season (if unfortunately he is still here) I would like to see him do that.
 
Did somebody say cake?!

At this point ive kind of lost hope on making it to the playoffs, but i guess thats for the better, i want to get a decent pick in the draft, but the question is...will we just bench that player like we do recent pickups?

Not every rookie is a starter in the league., And few 20th picks ever are. Given our lack of anything else going on, I can only imagine if we draft an actul super-talented rook that he will see time.
 
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