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Petrie laments injuries to core players
By Sam Amick - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 8:08 am PST Thursday, December 7, 2006
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C5


Certainly, there are intangibles, subplots and even an X-factor or two.

But with a quarter of the Kings' season nearly in the books, basketball president Geoff Petrie is looking at the more obvious cause of his team's 8-9 start and current four-game losing streak. His feeling, in truth, is no different than it was before the season. It's just that things haven't worked out the way he had hoped.

"I said before ... that we need to have high-quality years out of Mike (Bibby) and Brad (Miller) and Ron (Artest)," Petrie said by phone Wednesday. "That hasn't changed. And to this point, in their defense, they've all been nicked up in one form or another."

First it was Bibby's thumb, with the later discovery that his shooting wrist also had taken a hit. Both injuries occurred before the regular season, and the wrist continues to affect Bibby's game.

Miller lasted 2 1/2 games before he injured his foot. That soon was followed by Artest's back injury, which at the moment is issue No. 1 on the Kings' worry chart.

Artest has missed the past three games because of lower back pain, taking the rest-for-real route instead of the tough-it-out approach.

The small forward had spent seven of the previous eight games playing through the pain and sat out just once (Nov. 24 at Seattle) while taking a magnetic resonance imaging exam that turned up negative. The question now becomes whether Artest's injury lingers for months instead of weeks.

The back, Artest has said, limits his defense more than anything else, keeping him from being his normal agitating self. The results have supported his argument. In the six games before Artest's back became a problem, the Kings allowed an average of 90.5 points. In the 11 games since, they've allowed 103.6, and 104.8 points in the four games Artest missed. Artest will decide at today's shootaround whether to play tonight against Miami.

Though the injury has caused defensive frustration for Artest, he said after Friday's game in Dallas that he was upset with his role in the offense. One day later, Artest backtracked a bit, saying he had "probably said too much," which all but ended the situation in Petrie's eyes.

"I had a couple of good conversations with Ron last Wednesday and Thursday, and obviously since then his back has flared up and he hasn't played," Petrie said when asked if he had discussed Artest's concerns with him. "He changed that the next day (after the Dallas outburst). The most important thing is to get him healthy, just got to get him out on the court."

And integrate him back into an offense Petrie would like to see improve.

In early November, the Kings went away from an "open" offensive series that was new under first-year coach Eric Musselman, and went back to their familiar high-post offense -- dubbed the "corner" series -- that was the foundation of their prolific offense in recent years.

Still, there have been frequent requests from inside the locker room for more ball movement, with Bibby saying early on that some of his teammates were too worried about their own shot, and Artest's request in Dallas for more plays called his way.

Cohesion, clearly, has yet to be achieved.

"Good offense is a combination of cutting and passing and ball movement and spacing and execution and all of that, but you can't necessarily impose a style of play on every single group because they may have different talents and different abilities," Petrie said. "We have put in some of our older offense that some of our guys are more familiar with and have gotten some decent execution out of that, but it's still a work in progress."

One that would be much further along if the team's original core wasn't so banged up.

"(Bibby, Artest and Miller) need to have, consistently, high-quality games and have them together," Petrie said. "It's been great to see the emergence of Kevin (Martin), and John (Salmons) has really come in and is doing a terrific job; Shareef (Abdur-Rahim) and Kenny (Thomas) and Corliss (Williamson) have been solid. But the big part of that (group) is yet to emerge in the manner that it needs to."

About the writer: The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at samick@ sacbee.com.
 
I strongly recommend everyone read this article closely. There are some interesting points in there that Petrie made. The fact he even said as much as he did speaks volumes, IMHO...
 
I don't think they're hidden messages exactly. If you know Petrie's style, they're actually pretty plain:

http://www.sacbee.com/351/story/89006.html"I said before ... that we need to have high-quality years out of Mike (Bibby) and Brad (Miller) and Ron (Artest)," Petrie said by phone Wednesday. "That hasn't changed. And to this point, in their defense, they've all been nicked up in one form or another."

He makes it clear he thinks the injuries to Mike, Brad and Ron have been a significant factor thus far.

"I had a couple of good conversations with Ron last Wednesday and Thursday, and obviously since then his back has flared up and he hasn't played," Petrie said when asked if he had discussed Artest's concerns with him. "He changed that the next day (after the Dallas outburst). The most important thing is to get him healthy, just got to get him out on the court."

Looks to me like Petrie made sure he nipped the "problem" of Artest's outburst to the media in the bud.

"Good offense is a combination of cutting and passing and ball movement and spacing and execution and all of that, but you can't necessarily impose a style of play on every single group because they may have different talents and different abilities," Petrie said. "We have put in some of our older offense that some of our guys are more familiar with and have gotten some decent execution out of that, but it's still a work in progress."

In other words, Muss has been experimenting - sometimes successfully and sometimes not - to find the combination of factors that will work.

"(Bibby, Artest and Miller) need to have, consistently, high-quality games and have them together," Petrie said. "It's been great to see the emergence of Kevin (Martin), and John (Salmons) has really come in and is doing a terrific job; Shareef (Abdur-Rahim) and Kenny (Thomas) and Corliss (Williamson) have been solid. But the big part of that (group) is yet to emerge in the manner that it needs to."

Petrie returns to his main point. We need to see a healthy Mike, Brad and Ron on the court if we expect any kind of success.
 
Actually, what I found interesting is that Petrie's conversations with Artest were Wednesday and Thursday and Artest's outburst was on Friday. So maybe that's what Ron was referencing when he was talking about management being on the same page as the coaching staff.
 
Two most "hidden" messages seem to be:

1) aimed at Muss -- the idea of "imposing" an alien one size fits all system from outside, and how that was a bad idea

2) the the tepid SAR/Thomas/Corliss have been "solid" language


The message that Geoff is still insisting on his old core ain't so hidden.
 
So I wonder if it was Petrie who "suggested" they use some old Adelman offense or if Muss thought of it. That is something I'd find interesting to know. Was it forced on Muss or was it his idea?
 
Bibby calling out "certain" players for being too worried about their own shot is perhaps the most amusing quote of all-time. That ball-hog does not have to worry because he simply calls his own number every other offensive possession. I am very sorry VF, I know you love him as I love Reef (who also sucks right now), but Bibby is a walking contradiction and IMO should not be permitted to call the plays.
 
Bibby calling out "certain" players for being too worried about their own shot is perhaps the most amusing quote of all-time. That ball-hog does not have to worry because he simply calls his own number every other offensive possession. I am very sorry VF, I know you love him as I love Reef (who also sucks right now), but Bibby is a walking contradiction and IMO should not be permitted to call the plays.

Erm, what?

I love the name on the front. I respect what Mike Bibby has done over his career and I think he's an important part of our team. I think there's a difference, however, between my respect for Bibby and your love of SAR.

And, just to make sure we have the record straight, the comment about Mike indicated his comments were made EARLY in the season. Let's just keep things clear, okay?
 
Maybe. My impression has been more that, 95% of the time, Petrie could skip the interview and hand the reporter a piece of paper which says, "I have been thinking about things a lot, and either everything is fine now, or it will be in a little while."
 
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