Bee: Mobley would like to blow whistle on overbearing refs

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[font=verdana,geneva,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Mobley would like to blow whistle on overbearing refs
By Martin McNeal -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Thursday, February 10, 2005

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SEATTLE - Kings guard Cuttino Mobley was not thoughtlessly rambling Tuesday night when he criticized some NBA officials for what he perceives as a lack of respect for players.

Mobley said Wednesday he meant what he said and said what he meant. And if a similar situation arises, he said he'll probably speak up again.

And as the Kings gathered outside the team's practice facility following a workout for their flight to Seattle and tonight's meeting with the Sonics, Mobley's teammates let it be known they shared his views.

Kings President of Basketball Operations Geoff Petrie said Wednesday night he had not heard from the league about possible punitive action against Mobley; center Brad Miller, who threw his headband and wristband after a controversial block of his shot by Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire in the 125-123 loss; or Chris Webber, who punted the game ball high into the stands as he walked off the floor.

"We won't hear anything until the decision is made," Petrie said earlier in the day. "We're not part of the process, but I'm sure they are doing their due diligence, talking to various players and getting as much video as they can."

Mobley said he confirmed his statements to the head of the league's security department.

"I think refs have too much power," he said. "They are not competing, so why should they have that much power dictating the outcomes of games? If (the NBA) feels offense to it and has to fine me for it, so be it."

Mobley said he is looking for some respect from officials for himself and his teammates.

"Players treat refs good," Mobley said. "We talk to them, and sure sometimes players might snap at a ref, but that's because of competition. You can snap at your best friend and start fighting him on the court, you still love him. But refs take things personal, and you can't talk to some of them.

"I didn't curse at any referee. I've heard refs say, 'Shut up, get away from me!' I've seen them ignore players. From the beginning of the game, I've seen them (eyeball) a player, all types of stuff. Cursing at people. They think they have that power. They don't have the power. They have a whistle. There is a difference."

Petrie said players have to weigh the effects of their comments.

"You certainly understand the emotions of the game," he said. "But at some point, you're going to have to look at the big picture. Ultimately, are you helping yourself and your teammates, or are you hurting yourself and your teammates? I think you have to find some reasonable balance.

"The most important thing is you have to keep playing. I think (Detroit coach) Larry Brown has been fined three times this season for criticizing the officials, and things haven't changed."

Kings players said they heard a referee recently tell Mike Bibby to "shut the (bleep) up," a remark the point guard confirmed.

Young players such as Matt Barnes and Maurice Evans acknowledge they are just establishing themselves in the league.

"I don't think it makes things any easier, the fact that we don't build a good rapport with the officials," Evans said. "Hopefully, we can correct that, so that in the future, in the playoffs, when it really counts we can get some calls.

"I think veterans should get a little more respect. There have been some officials that have done a great job and talk to you all throughout the game and explain things. So I don't want to make it seem like all officials are bad."

"I've been cursed at," Barnes said, "and I know I'm a young player in the league and I don't get too much leeway, but still I'm a grown man, so I need to be respected. I feel the refs do need to think about the way they come at some players sometimes."

Kings guard Eddie House has played with five teams and questions the apparent double standard he sees.

"Some (players) can say whatever they want to referees, and nothing will be said. But another player can say, 'C'mon, man,' and that player might get a (technical) for it. The refs have their people they go with, and they have those they don't flow with."

Kings coach Rick Adelman said Mobley's frustrations are shared by most players and coaches.

Adelman said replays of the block on Miller clearly showed the ball was in the basket's cylinder when batted away by Stoudemire at the buzzer. "If that was in the second quarter," Adelman surmised, "that would have been goal-tending. I think when you have no voice to say anything or do anything, then you have no recourse. So I understand where (Mobley) was coming from."

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Pathetic. Mobley and his bosom buddy Steve Francis are two of the biggest whiners in the league. Of course refs are annoyed with him. Instead of being able to concentrate on the game they have to run up and down the court listening to him jabber in their ear about every call/non-call on every single play. If Adelaman had half a brain he'd tell Mobley to shut up and play ball. I've watched this guy for years when he and Francis were having their cry-fests in Houston. You should have kept Christie.
 
Two good quotes in there:


1.
Petrie said players have to weigh the effects of their comments.

"You certainly understand the emotions of the game," he said. "But at some point, you're going to have to look at the big picture. Ultimately, are you helping yourself and your teammates, or are you hurting yourself and your teammates? I think you have to find some reasonable balance.

Yep. And that's why Cat needs to shut the hell up at some point. Its like getting pulled over by the police and having your friend in the backseat run on about how discrimantory the police are and how we're tired of it. If you're the driver its "please shut up!".

2.
Adelman said replays of the block on Miller clearly showed the ball was in the basket's cylinder when batted away by Stoudemire at the buzzer. "If that was in the second quarter," Adelman surmised, "that would have been goal-tending. I think when you have no voice to say anything or do anything, then you have no recourse. So I understand where (Mobley) was coming from."

And Rick is probably correct about why it wasn't called, and then also hits the nail on the head about why the overreaction. All of the Stern dictatorship stuff is marvelously overwrought, but the frustration is actually similar to a dictatorship dynamic. With no recourse, no appeal, things get bottled up and people pop off and get stupid. Its in the league's own best interests to open things up a bit.
 
striker said:
Pathetic. Mobley and his bosom buddy Steve Francis are two of the biggest whiners in the league. Of course refs are annoyed with him. Instead of being able to concentrate on the game they have to run up and down the court listening to him jabber in their ear about every call/non-call on every single play. If Adelaman had half a brain he'd tell Mobley to shut up and play ball. I've watched this guy for years when he and Francis were having their cry-fests in Houston. You should have kept Christie.

You know, I think you might be well advised to butt out of this issue.
 
Bricklayer you know I'm a Spurs fan but I do like the Kings. Their style of play is interesting and distinctive. You can say that about few teams in the NBA. I follow the board, don't comment much. But I do feel coddling to Mobley and his attitude by fans, press, players, coach is not in the best interest of the Kings. If nothing else you get a mentally weak team.
 
I'd be pissed but I'm a fan not a player. It's one thing for a fan to have emotions and react like a fan. It's another thing for a player to have emotions and react like a fan. It was one play, the last play. Not the seventh game of a playoffs even. Players should move on and focus on their mistakes not the refs. Ultimately refs are human and they're going to be PO'd at Mobley. Who wins? Not Mobley. Not the Kings.
 
Bricklayer said:
Two good quotes in there:


1.

Yep. And that's why Cat needs to shut the hell up at some point. Its like getting pulled over by the police and having your friend in the backseat run on about how discrimantory the police are and how we're tired of it. If you're the driver its "please shut up!".

2.

And Rick is probably correct about why it wasn't called, and then also hits the nail on the head about why the overreaction. All of the Stern dictatorship stuff is marvelously overwrought, but the frustration is actually similar to a dictatorship dynamic. With no recourse, no appeal, things get bottled up and people pop off and get stupid. Its in the league's own best interests to open things up a bit.
Cat doesn't need to shut the hell up all he was saying and everyone else for the matter was that they are tired of being treated like lttile boys.These people are grown men and it is disrespectful to be talked down to and Barked at in the the manner that they speak to them.

I see what he is talking about because people do get pulled over by the police and are profiled discriminated against and it is at times a double standard that plays into these things especially being pulled over if you fit a certain sterotypical profile.Forget shutting the hell up speak your mind if you feel injustice because sometimes rules are made to be broken and if you don't say anything about the lack of fairness you get victimized raped and done wrong over and over and never get the justice that should be given to all.You speak against being done unfairly you never know you may can change some of the patterns that have been going on for so long and hopefully things will eventually looked at in fairness and justice and you start to get the benefit ot the doubt.
 
Bricklayer said:
And Rick is probably correct about why it wasn't called, and then also hits the nail on the head about why the overreaction. All of the Stern dictatorship stuff is marvelously overwrought, but the frustration is actually similar to a dictatorship dynamic. With no recourse, no appeal, things get bottled up and people pop off and get stupid. Its in the league's own best interests to open things up a bit.

Here, here. Quit trying to make it seem like the refs can do no wrong. We already know it's not true. At the very least it might take some of the focus off of bad officiating when it happens... with the secrecy shrouding it now, it seems like the officials are the only reasons pointed to for losing these days. :)
 
10bibby10 said:
you know you would be pissed to if this had happened to tim duncan or sumthin so why are you sayin anything?

It will never happen to TD. In fact if You even breath harder next to TD You get called for a foul.
 
piksi said:
It will never happen to TD. In fact if You even breath harder next to TD You get called for a foul.

i've seen duncan whine before. he gets this HUH ME look on his face. kinda like kobe.

then again, i've also seen quotes from him saying he won't comment on the refs because he doesn't want to get fined.

all teams and players whine, just some more then others.
 
Ducan doesn't do much arguing, like you said Evenstar he's great at the "HUH ME" look....but thats about it

i still stick by Mobley on this issue...and on what he said

as for the refs cursing out the players...::shakes head::...i wish somebody would tell me to "shut the bleep up" on the court...who the hell do they think they are...ugh...that really pisses me off even more...

"I've been cursed at," Barnes said, "and I know I'm a young player in the league and I don't get too much leeway, but still I'm a grown man, so I need to be respected. I feel the refs do need to think about the way they come at some players sometimes."

love that quote by Matt
 
I don't know, according to the Memphis Radio and fans at the Memphis-Spurs game TD was whining up a storm during a loss earlier in the year about every play. Maybe it's just a biased Memphis sports persons opinion but I'm pretty sure TD whines more than we all think he does. Off the court he is one of the quietest best players in the league but like every other player when things aren't going his way he gets angry, that's what players and people do when they think they aren't getting the fair end of the deal.
 
TD whines a lot. Last season I was at Oakland watching a game between Warriors and Spurs. TD was very unhappy with the refs and even pushed one ref down to the floor, although I think he did not mean it. Then he was out and Warriors won it.;)
 
Duncan frequently gives the wide eyed "I can't believe you didn't call that" look to the ref. He sometimes raises his arms. Occassionally he'll say a few words to the ref as he's getting back on D. If he's really PO'd he'll commit a deliberate foul on the guy he thinks fouled him and then go talk to the ref. He won't kick balls into the stands, throw head bands or wrist bands or go to the press and talk about refs continual incompetence.

Spurs have a pretty standard approach to the refs, probably Pop dictated. If they don't like a call/non-call they go to the ref during the inbounds, FT, time out and talk to them, explain what they thought happened/didn't happen. They then let the ref respond. Then often they pat the ref on the back and go back to play. Why PO the ref? Ultimately one way or the other you'll lose that batltle.
 
I have a different take on this than Brick. If Cat had been on the team for years you might be right about stiring up a hornets nest that his team then has to deal with, but he is the new guy, the guy that the team needs to KNOW they can trust. If you look at this as a message to his team rather than to the NBA he is telling Brad "I have your back brother." He is also clearly voulenteering to be the first and hardest hit by NBA sanctions, taking one for his team if you will. It makes it a lot easier for the NBA to down paly or turn a blind eye to Brads tirade against the reffs if they can slap a big fine or suspension on Cat for lipping off after the game. This I like. Now if he is going to hold a press confrence after bad call/no call that is a different story.
 
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