Bee: It's a new season, a new shot

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By Sam Amick - Bee Staff Writer

His shot is back, and the coach is not.
As Kenny Thomas sees it, Kings training camp comes with a smile for those reasons alone.

The veteran forward showed off his fixed shooting form and once-absent accuracy at Saturday's morning practice, then gave a candid look back and hopeful look forward to a season ahead.

The veteran forward showed off his fixed shooting form and once-absent accuracy at Saturday's morning practice, then gave a candid look back and Thomas is one of three Kings players who can opt out of their contracts next summer, adding individual importance to what is already a season of high collective stakes. On the surface, it seems unlikely that he would leave the more than $16 million on the table from the next two seasons. But the unsettling nature of last season was enough to make most every player re-evaluate his current station, although Thomas just might be optimistic again about his.

For the moment, he's waiting like everyone else to see if his starting power forward spot is still his after the offseason signing of forward Mikki Moore. But beyond the big picture, he is simply relieved to have order in the building after a season of so much chaos under former coach Eric Musselman.
"I'm not going to say his name anymore -- that guy," Thomas said of Musselman. "It just wasn't a fair situation for all of us. I think everybody's numbers dropped last year, from Brad (Miller) to Shareef (Abdur-Rahim) to Mike (Bibby)."

And while Reggie Theus is his eighth coach in nine seasons, Thomas said he's encouraged thus far. "I like ... how he's coming in here and saying he's going to hold every individual accountable for his mistakes," Thomas said. "That's one thing that we lacked last year. If something happened, (Musselman) was taking me out regardless, even if it wasn't my fault. That's all I ask -- hold every individual accountable."

Thomas also appears to have recaptured some of his offensive game. The midrange jumper that Kings swingman John Salmons remembers may be back. But last season, a hitch had developed in Thomas' shot and a lingering injury on his right shooting shoulder only made it worse.

By season's end, Thomas was gun shy and off-target from the field and shot a career-worst 51.3 percent from the free-throw line. His 5.3 points per game was approximately half his career average.

This summer, Thomas said he spent two weeks working on his form at his New Mexico alma mater.

"It's normal again," Thomas said of his shot. "It feels good to be able to go into the free-throw line and actually shoot it with confidence. It was killing me because I'd never been through anything like that in my life."
The shooting struggles, or the season.
 
Sorry, but I'm not impressed. And for the record?

he's waiting like everyone else to see if his starting power forward spot is still his after the offseason signing of forward Mikki Moore.

Apparently, KT still doesn't get it. It's not HIS starting power forward spot. Period. It will belong to the person who earns it.

Talk is cheap. I really didn't like his comments about the new rules, since (as usual) KT focused on how the negative would affect him ("I don't want to get fined") instead of even acknowledging Theus' attempt to reunify a team.

And now KT is trying to put all the blame on Musselman?

"I'm not going to say his name anymore -- that guy," Thomas said of Musselman. "It just wasn't a fair situation for all of us. I think everybody's numbers dropped last year, from Brad (Miller) to Shareef (Abdur-Rahim) to Mike (Bibby)."

Oh, geez...

And while Reggie Theus is his eighth coach in nine seasons, Thomas said he's encouraged thus far. "I like ... how he's coming in here and saying he's going to hold every individual accountable for his mistakes," Thomas said. "That's one thing that we lacked last year. If something happened, (Musselman) was taking me out regardless, even if it wasn't my fault. That's all I ask -- hold every individual
accountable."

Oh good. More sour grapes. While I could go on for days about the myriad mistakes made by Musselman, yanking a totally ineffective Kenny Thomas was not among them.

I'm sorry. KT is probably a nice guy, good to his mother and kind to dumb animals, but I do NOT see him (and never have) as having the right kind of mindset to be a Sacramento King. This article is fully of apologist rhetoric and I got enough of that last year to last a lifetime or three.

Hey, KT? Do your bleeping job, whether you're starting or coming off the bench. Work HARD and at least pretend you actually care about more than the money. And I'm reviving my old mantra ... Shut up, suck it up and PLAY!

And if you really want to do something for the fans, opt out of your contract.
 
Hey, KT? Do your bleeping job, whether you're starting or coming off the bench. Work HARD and at least pretend you actually care about more than the money. And I'm reviving my old mantra ... Shut up, suck it up and PLAY!

And if you really want to do something for the fans, opt out of your contract.

I wish someone would really say that last line to his face, if he knew how bad we wanted him gone maybe he'd leave. Anyway I couldn't have said it any better. KT needs to say he'll work hard and actually do it, not blame it on everyone else. Yeah Musselman sucked, but he pulled Kenny because he was sucking not because of some personal vendetta. Now if he goes out and works hard then good for him and for us but I'll believe it when I freaking see it.
 
On the plus side, it would be nice if he could hit that 15 foot jump shot from the top of the key. I miss that shot, and last season, he missed it a whole bunch too.
 
The way it started I thought I was going to read about how hard he worked on his game and is ready for his best season yet. Instead he blames his poor performance on the ex-coach. Musselman did not make him look that stupid.

P.S. Kenny he did not take you out because of what somebody else did. He took you out because you stunk up the place last year. Opt out already and move on.
 
Now with Battie out for the Season is it too late to start a Kenny to Orlando petition? Any combination of contracts would work, I would even do Battie+Garrity and just ignore the physicals. Just as long as I don't have to watch Kenny.
 
When you people wanted a scorer, Kenny scored..

When you wanted rebounding, Kenny rebounded..

And now Mr. Thomas is responsible for everything wrong on this team? How about I blame you, the fans, for sending bad aura towards the team? Is Thomas also responsible for all the negativity on the team last season, and you assume that by reading the Sacramento "stack of magazines on my porch" Bee? Is he also responsible for Daniel Artest being overweight?

This is ridiculous. Why don't any of you realize that not just Kenny, but rather the whole team is dysfunctional?

Have you noticed that other interviewed players accepted personal responsibility for last years "dysfunction". I only see blame here, like Kenny has been this poor victim. No personal acceptance of responsibility. Like he has no control of his destiny - he's waiting to see if the spot is his. I heard nothing about how he is going to make sure that it is his, or what he is doing to try and get it.
 
Say what now? Say this now:

First season with the Kings: 15 PPG, 9 RPG, 3 APG
Second season : 9.1 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 2 APG
Third season under Musselhead: 5 PPG, 6 RPG, 1.2 APG

As you can tell, he did his thing the first season. You don't just take 15 points and 9 rebounds out of your butt and put it on the scoreboard. Second season, average numbers...but what did you expect from Kenny? Superstar numbers? He did his thing for what he was on the team. Third season, his minutes per game fell dramatically, basically from 30 MPG, to 20 PG, thanks to Musselman. He scored. He rebounded.

So Kenny can buy you food, but can't eat it with you?

Ridiculous. Astonishing. Lunatic. Un-be-lievable. Give the fella a break.

The team sucks because our players can't play together to save their lives, and Kenny is no part of this **** :rolleyes:

Good day, mighty sir.


If he's really gotten his J back then his PT and stats will go up. I think the main reason people hate him is because of his contract and that he only wants to start.
 
So just because Kenny doesn't take much responsibility for the team's struggles, he has to be first on the blame list? It's not his fault his contract sucks a**, either. He's getting so much money in his contract not because he's a thief, but because whoever created it, thought he was worth it. He isn't worth as much as he's getting paid, but if he's used right, he nearly makes up for it.

No he has to take responsibility for HIM sucking. Noone ever said he had to take responsibility for a Bibby off-night or an Artest ISO that ends in a turnover. People just want dude to take responsibility for HIS lack of effort and/or skills.
 
I've read lots of articles. I don't remember a single one where his teammates or the coaching staff speak negatively of him. People shouldn't judge the book by what it says on it's cover. You can talk a lot, yet stay respected on your team. No links, i take it? Good, point proven.

Show me any article where any teammate makes disparaging remarks about another teammate. It doesn't happen in the paper. All you have proven is that you are an admirer of KT. Try reading between the lines of how a player interviews. Some players hold themselves responsible for their play, others point fingers at others or outside sources. KT points his finger at Muss for his lack of production. Personally, I'd rather have guys on the team who are mentally stronger than that.

Remember how Corliss Williamson behaved when he was riding pine. He behaved like a professional. There is a distinct difference in how Corliss and KT handle a like situation.
 
Say what now? Say this now:
First season with the Kings: 15 PPG, 9 RPG, 3 APG
Second season : 9.1 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 2 APG
Third season under Musselhead: 5 PPG, 6 RPG, 1.2 APG

That looks like a pretty linear progression to me. I could project his stats for 2008/2009:
3 PPG, 4.5 RPG, .4 APG
Is that what you want from a rotation player?

I am not saying Kenny Thomas was not a good player. Anyone who can average 10+ rebounds over a season has talent, but the 15/9/3 Kenny Thomas is long gone. His shot has deserted him, he does not block shots, he has become a turnover machine, and he had the worst per minute +/- on the team.

If he had a good attitude, and was determined to come off the bench and play hard with the tools he had, and was not the 4th highest paid player on the team for the next 3 years, I think Kings fans would welcome him. See: Corliss Williamson.
 
True, but it's obvious that he sucked because of Musselman's pathetic coaching tactics. He didn't "suck" his previous seasons as a king.


He sucked when he came off the bench for Reef who was getting 16/7/4 at the time. Then he gets to start and he is getting 10/10 the rest of the season in 06.

I dunno though I think people usually oversimplify the happiness/complaining/etc issues. KT's game is hustle skills like rebounding, his mobility(his lateral quickness certainly helped him play post D), and his J before it deserted him. If he's not happy, or you're in a situation you don't like, or you're tired, etc. it's harder to bring that energy that helps you do those things. Like sometimes when I need to get pumped up before I play or go work on my game I listen to music or something, but when you're depressed/unhappy with your situation I guess it's a lot harder to bring a lot of energy into a game. And sometimes your feelings aren't really something you can change and they do effect your playing skills.

Also I think his J has probably effected his game. You lose that and you lose confidence in your self, then he loses playing time, then he's pissed.
 
When you people wanted a scorer, Kenny scored..

When you wanted rebounding, Kenny rebounded..

And now Mr. Thomas is responsible for everything wrong on this team? How about I blame you, the fans, for sending bad aura towards the team? Is Thomas also responsible for all the negativity on the team last season, and you assume that by reading the Sacramento "stack of magazines on my porch" Bee? Is he also responsible for Daniel Artest being overweight?

This is ridiculous. Why don't any of you realize that not just Kenny, but rather the whole team is dysfunctional?

And when we wanted unity and team play, Kenny pouted about not starting.

No, Kenny Thomas is by no means responsible for every wrong on the team. The only problem is that in his mind he's not responsible for ANYTHING wrong on the team.

I don't care who you blame. Blame me if you like. Personally.

What's ridiculous is the vast majority of players are talking about doing better for the team, working with each other, etc. Kenny is all about Kenny. Always has been. And that just doesn't work for me. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

Tell you what. You can buy up all the Thomas jerseys to make up for the majority of us who just want a PF who is a real power forward AND a team player.

Work for you?
 
Do you really want me to provide about...a thousand articles where players speak negatively of their teammates? I'll do the little research if you ask to.

I don't like Kenny Thomas. I'd never take him on my team with a contract like that. It's just annoying that people like you find an individual to blame.

So let's see .. factually:

You're saying it's not good to point fingers (aka Thomas at Musselman), yet you find an individual (Thomas) who you point fingers at yourself.

Hypocrisy at it's finest. Point proven, once again.

Okay, this stops now.

Keep your comments about the topic at hand, please, and do not resort to making it a confrontation between you and another poster.

Thanks ever so.

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Do you really want me to provide about...a thousand articles where players speak negatively of their teammates? I'll do the little research if you ask to.

I don't like Kenny Thomas. I'd never take him on my team with a contract like that. It's just annoying that people like you find an individual to blame.

So let's see .. factually:

You're saying it's not good to point fingers (aka Thomas at Musselman), yet you find an individual (Thomas) who you point fingers at yourself.

Hypocrisy at it's finest. Point proven, once again.

Look at my first post regarding this subject. I said save the stats and that KT is a "me" first type of player. Never said he's to blame for anything. Don't know where you came up with that. I didn't blame anyone for anything. Your getting your posts mixed up. All I did was question Thomas' integrity of what comes first....team or himself.
 
look all, it's clear that thomas is not to blame for anything. the guy after all is a solid power forward and if we gave him more minutes, he could produce pretty good numbers that are "worth his contract."

let's stop putting the blame on him.

in fact, let's stop putting the blame on any of our players, since none of them are culpable. no one on the team is culpable in fact, we shouldn't point fingers, it's a general malaise and dysfunctionality that just can't quite be pinpointed down without relevant news articles and credible links.

while you're at it, let's stop having opinions at all, and just support the team!

last but not least, don't forget to hold hands and sing koom-ba-yah and share sunshines and rainbows! all through the magic and wonder of kenny thomas!!!!

</sarcasm>
 
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I personally don't like KT but I'm basing it entirely on stats vs contract. When I read this article I didn't find anything wrong. Agreed, Kenny Thomas is not a class act like Martin or Corliss, but I dont support reading that deep into what players say in the interviews that are published
 
This post has been reported for a personal attack, and impersonating a member of this board.

that's awesome.

look, kenny, i don't really have anything against you. it's just that i wish you had a better attitude and could accept whatever role would help the team. the other guys may even think that you're a great teammate, but honestly i can't say since 1) i've never heard anything even close to implying that and 2) only have what i see and hear to go by. it's not your fault that you have a hefty contract (we can all thank mr. billy king for that, as i'm sure you do every night), but could you...do you think...maybe just a little class and professionalism? thanks!

btw kenny, if you'd like to see an example of a personal attack, how about:

Juicy_J said:
How about I blame you, the fans, for sending bad aura towards the team?

imagine that, your first post in this thread and you come out swinging! but then again, i get your ire. after all, KT, you can't be held accountable for anything.
 
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