Bee: Center court for Memphis

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With all the debate about the status of the talks, I forgot to post this article. I think it's worth reading...

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/14278018p-15087006c.html

Center court for Memphis
As talks on a new Sacramento arena inch ahead, those involved are looking at a Southern city's facility as a model
By Mary Lynne Vellinga -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:01 am PDT Friday, July 14, 2006

NBA fans attending a game in Memphis, Tenn., can stretch out their legs a bit farther than their counterparts in Sacramento. They sit on cushioned seats, not hard plastic. They can see the court better.

Those buying more expensive tickets gain access to private "club level" restaurants. Some get to set their drinks on granite countertops in front of executive-style chairs.

These are some of the attributes that drew a delegation from Sacramento to Memphis last Friday to check out FedExForum. Completed in 2004 for $250 million, the Memphis arena is one of the two newest in the National Basketball Association.

As Sacramento city and county leaders struggle to put together a viable plan to replace Arco Arena, they're looking to Memphis as a model of what a modern arena should offer.

"Memphis was suggested by the Maloof Sports and Entertainment as an example of what they wanted in Sacramento," Sacramento Assistant City Manager John Dangberg said in an e-mail Wednesday. He added: "Memphis has elements we collectively like that could be incorporated into a Sacramento facility."

Joe Maloof said FedExForum "is a very nice building" from which he and his brother Gavin gleaned ideas. "Gavin and I have been to practically every building in the NBA," he said. "We'll take bits and pieces from all these buildings; that's how we'll design this."

Dangberg and other negotiators for the city and county spent Tuesday and Wednesday closeted with the Maloofs at the family's Palms hotel in Las Vegas. Four representatives from the city and county spent about $2,040 during the trip for flights and hotel rooms, officials said.

They broke up Wednesday evening without finalizing an arena agreement. Even as two of the key participants -- former state Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg and Sacramento County Supervisor Roger Dickinson -- returned to their vacations, they said they planned to keep talking via phone.

They face a tight deadline. If a deal doesn't materialize within days, it will likely be too late to get an arena package on the November ballot -- the last chance until 2008. The idea is to ask voters to approve a sales tax increase to pay for an arena and an array of other community projects.

But first, negotiators have to agree on a long list of issues before putting a proposal before the Board of Supervisors. A key question that remains unresolved is how much the Maloofs will contribute.

"We've made a little progress, but there are a number of issues left," Joe Maloof said.

Among those taking a two-hour tour of FedExForum last Friday were Dangberg, Vice Mayor Rob Fong and Sacramento County economic development director Paul Hahn.

As the delegation made its rounds, workers readied the facility for a concert by country music stars Tim McGraw and Faith Hill, who are scheduled to play at Arco Arena next month.

Fong said he came away impressed.

"You don't realize what you don't have until you see something else," he said. "The way they had the real restaurants in there, the meeting rooms, the really wide concourses, the kid areas. ... It was pretty impressive."

FedExForum is located in downtown Memphis' entertainment district; there's a rock 'n' roll museum in front. Westin is building a new high-rise hotel across the street.

"It's pretty obvious that it's spurring some pretty neat redevelopment," Fong said.

When they entered negotiations with the Maloofs, city and county leaders made one thing clear: They want to see a new arena built in the downtown railyard, not in North Natomas, surrounded by a sea of surface parking. They say team owners agreed.

Downtowns have become favored locations for new arenas. Inside, the new facilities are often packed with revenue-producing amenities.
Arnold Perl, a Memphis lawyer who oversaw construction of FedExForum, said his New Memphis Arena Public Building Authority borrowed features from Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis.

"Inside, it's quite similar," Perl said of the two arenas. "There are some differences. We have one inch of extra legroom."

On the outside, however, Conseco Field and FedExForum look very different, he said. FedExForum's brick facade was designed to fit into its Memphis neighborhood. It has a public plaza in front where the Memphis Grizzlies organization often promotes upcoming events or holds concerts, said Stephen Zito, vice president of arena operations.
Inside, the theme is Memphis' musical heritage. There are two sit-down restaurants and a lounge accessible only to premium ticket holders. Another restaurant on the street level is open to everyone. FedExForum has 59 luxury suites with wet bars and plasma TVs. It also pioneered the concept of "club boxes," essentially groupings of four to six extra-wide seats with a granite countertop in front and food and drink service.

An area for children includes arcade games and other entertainments, including a machine that takes a picture of your shadow, Zito said.

Arco, meanwhile, has a tiny lounge for premium seat holders -- Maloof called it a "cubbyhole" -- a narrow concourse made tighter by portable food booths, and a kitchen with one eight-burner stove.

"First and foremost, you've got to have a kitchen that's big enough to take care of your customers," Maloof said. "We probably have the smallest kitchen in the NBA."

He said he envisions an arena that celebrates Sacramento's railroad heritage and includes a venue to "showcase the great wines of Northern California."

While the Sacramento delegation may be looking to Memphis as a model of what an arena can look like, Dangberg stressed that FedExForum can't serve as a model for how Sacramento can pay for a new arena.

In Memphis, there was no public vote on the arena, even though it was constructed with bond funds backed by local government. The bonds are being repaid through downtown sales taxes and a ticket surcharge.

Construction costs also have escalated dramatically since FedExForum was finished, making $250 million an obsolete number when it comes to figuring out how much it will cost to build a similar facility here.

"It would be nice if we could build it for that, but we can't," Fong said.

About the writer: The Bee's Mary Lynne Vellinga can be reached at (916) 321-1094 or mlvellinga@sacbee.com.
 

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And a little more info:

How Arco compares

Estimates for the consturciton cost of a new Sacramento sports area use the FedEx Forum as a model. Arco is listed first, followed by FedEx.

Year completed............................1988...........................2004
Overall square footage.................450,000......................800,000
Concourses
Number of public concourses..........1.............................2
Average main concourse width........22 feet....................28 feet
Private suite and/or club concourses......0.......................3
Seating
Number of seats:
Basketball..................................17.317..................18,200
Hockey......................................12,000..................12,700
Suites............................................30.........................60
Club seats........................................0.....................1,500
Upper deck seats.............................52%......................47%
Food service
Main concourse (seats per cash register)..307.................101
Upper concourse (spcr)............................0 .................174
Number of food courts..............................0.....................6
Locker rooms
Home locker room (square ft.)..............3,900..............13,800
Visitor locker room (square ft.).............1,275................1,700
Star dressing rooms (no/sq. ft).............4/390.............4/1,700
Operations facilities
Central kitchen/commissary (sq.ft.).......5,300..............13,400
Marshaling/storage area (sq. ft.)..........13,600.............26,000
Trucks and trash docks..............................2....................7

Note: I entered this manually. It was on page B-1 of Friday's Bee.
 

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In Memphis, there was no public vote on the arena, even though it was constructed with bond funds backed by local government. The bonds are being repaid through downtown sales taxes and a ticket surcharge.
Interesting, but I don't know if it's possible here...

Also, check the difference between the home locker room in FedEx and the visitors.

:D
 

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I just thought it was interesting, but I really don't know if it would even be legal in California.

Did you check the square foot figures for the home locker room and the visitors' locker room in FedEx? It's like a closet...

:p
 
#7
ya but still 1,700 is not bad... but when compared to 13K OMG. What do they have in there?

I seen another stat and my mind went into one direction... Garlic Fries We need better concessions.
Main concourse (seats per cash register)..307.................101
 

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There's a virtual tour of the FedEx Forum somewhere but I can't find it again...

The concourses are WIDE and the food isn't on portable carts blocking parts of the walkways.

It's really a very nice venue.
 
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I just thought it was interesting, but I really don't know if it would even be legal in California.

Did you check the square foot figures for the home locker room and the visitors' locker room in FedEx? It's like a closet...

:p
I've talked with friends about the whole bond issue, and a couple of them were very vocal about the fact that it WOULD work here,they actually predicted that that was the way this arena would get built, after it is shot down by the voters this year...the next step would be the bonds. I was wondering about the whole legality of it as well, but they said its legit here in California. I'll see if I cant get some sort of literature to post in here that explains all of this. I think that this will get shot down by the voters resoundingly, probably like 40% yes-60%no. But it will be interesting to see how both sides react(City-Maloofs) once this happens. What will the Maloofs say? Hopefully Fong and the Gang are here for the long haul in this fight and will take a 'Joe Serna' attitude and not stop until something gets done and we get a new arena. Oh, and btw...I've been in both locker rooms at Arco...its pathetic...sardines...reminds you of something out of like a 24 hr. Fitness locker room or something...wait...that might actually be nicer now that I think about it.
 

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If you find stuff about the bonds, feel free to start a new thread so the discussion doesn't get buried in our droolings over the amount of space, cash registers per seat, etc. the FedEx Forum has.

:p
 
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If you find stuff about the bonds, feel free to start a new thread so the discussion doesn't get buried in our droolings over the amount of space, cash registers per seat, etc. the FedEx Forum has.

:p
:D Sure thing! Oh, and I happen to like the garlic fries...but definetely think that you can get a hell of a lot more variety at a place like Raley Field...and is minor league, which is pathetic.
 
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With all the debate about the status of the talks, I forgot to post this article. I think it's worth reading...

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/14278018p-15087006c.html

...
Among those taking a two-hour tour of FedExForum last Friday were Dangberg, Vice Mayor Rob Fong and Sacramento County economic development director Paul Hahn.
...
Fong said he came away impressed.

"You don't realize what you don't have until you see something else," he said. "The way they had the real restaurants in there, the meeting rooms, the really wide concourses, the kid areas. ... It was pretty impressive."
...
"It's pretty obvious that it's spurring some pretty neat redevelopment," Fong said.

This is totally encouraging to me. I hope he has some influence in Sacramento area!!
 

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What they're saying above is that the Maloofs are using the FedEx Forum as an example of what they're looking for. That's why they had Fong and the others take the facility tour.

:)
 
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Actually, bond-financing was proposed and shot down. One of the failed attempts. It would have to be voted on. And technically, the idea behind the sales tax is just another bond proposal. You have to have the money to build the arena now, so you sell bonds to raise the cash and the sales tax will be one of the sources to repay the bonds. The rest is obviously part of the negotiations.
 
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Somebody needs to post a picture of the upper concourse at Arco where it narrows down to about 4-5 feet in each corner. I have no idea which fire mashall approved that design element. I imagine the guy is probably retired and living in Hawaii on the payoff money he took. That one element alone should be reason enough to have condemned Arco on day 1. Throw in the fact that there is more plywood in the stands than is found in every Home Depot in California and you have all the makings of a firetrap.

I wouldn't be too quick to be negative about a vote. Once they go forward and start showing what an arena would do for the planned railyards development and people see the wonderful things that would result, they'll warm up to the idea. The city really needs a vibrant downtown with things to do for it's citizens. Old Sac is a good start, but it can be so much more. I think a key factor in the success and speed at which the railyards are developed, depend on having the arena located there. It's been proven many times that arenas and stadiums accelerate development nearby. That's why Thomas Enterprises is interested in having the sports district as part of their plan. If you already haven't checked out the concept art and overview of their project, check it out here:

http://www.sacramentorailyards.com/project/project.asp

If they sell the idea of this project with the sports district (arena) incuded, they face a better chance at making this happen. If they present this as making a better future for Sacramento, the people will respond.
 

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I agree, JB. AND they can look at the revitalization of San Antonio AND Memphis as examples of success.
 
#19
Actually, that upper walkway is not considered a concourse. Look at the stats VF was kind enough to type out and you'll see that. Its one of the really big issues. In many arenas with a true concourse upstairs, they exit right to the outside, so you don't get that mass congestion on only one true "concourse." It scares me a bit, because I have been pushed around by the crowd, unable to help myself. I've come close to being knocked to the ground. And it must be terrifying for kids.
 
#20
Too tired to read the whole thread tonight, but I went by the arena in Memphis when I was there this summer and it's very nice. Right smack in the middle of the Beale St./downtown area.

Imagine being able to go to a Kings game AND grab a bite to eat... What a concept!
 
#21
You can go to Arco and then drive down Truxel to McDonalds at Natomas Crossing!

OH BOY!!!

Yeah, it would be nice to be able to be in walking distance of anything from the Arena.