Bee: Breaking it down and barking back

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Breaking it down - and barking back
By Sam Amick -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Thursday, April 27, 2006


Kings coach Rick Adelman said Tuesday's Game 2 loss in San Antonio ranked among the top five most painful in his 68-66 postseason record in 16 seasons. The Kings looked primed to pull an upset, but Brent Barry's bouncing three-pointer with 4.9 seconds left in regulation forced overtime and led to the Spurs' 128-119 win and 2-0 series lead. A day later, frustrated fans and skeptics still wondered why
Adelman didn't have his team foul on the Spurs' final possession of regulation following a timeout - or why his players didn't guard the perimeter well enough. Adelman explained himself and his team in great detail Wednesday.

"People are probably saying, 'Well, you've got to tell (the Kings) to stick with the three-point shooters.' Well I'll tell you, there's nothing else we said during that timeout but to stay with the three-point shooters, but people are human. ... You can draw it up, cover it, talk about it, and it takes mental discipline to go out and know the time and know the score and stay with it and allow it to happen. We didn't do that, and they took advantage of it.

"It's such an easy cop-out to say, 'Well, God, you should foul.' There's 14 seconds to go. I mean, how many times are we going to have to foul them in the 14 seconds? When do I foul them? Do I foul them when (Spurs point guard Tony) Parker gets it? Do I foul them when (Spurs guard Manu) Ginobili gets it? Just about the time we're about to foul them, do they shoot it and score? With 14 seconds to go, if we play that play right, they don't get a three, they get a two. But if I foul them right then with that much time left, they shoot two (free throws). They're not going to miss on purpose. And now they're going to foul us right off the bat, again. And again, we had a lot of guys out. I probably would've had to call a timeout to make sure our best shooters were shooting. ...

"But if they would've scored, (and) we would've made two free throws, now they're coming with no timeouts with about six seconds (left). That's a totally different story. I can understand that. I can't understand it with 14 seconds to go. That's just gobs of time.

"People should just look at the NBA and rebounding on a free throw. The only shot in basketball at any level that you can't block people out. You can't block the two people standing out beyond the three-point line. You can only stand next to him. The guy releases the ball, and everybody can get in there. And they let them jockey in and out. You can't put four guys in the paint. It's not any guarantee. People act like, 'Well, if you foul them, it's a guarantee you're going to get the rebound.' We've had a hard enough time keeping these guys (the Spurs) off the boards as it is. And the guys who rebound the ball are your worst free-throw shooters. I mean, there's a lot of other variables when you do that, and I think it makes a lot of sense when there's less time - five or six seconds - where maybe you can tip the ball out of there and run it down. With 14 seconds, I'm sorry. I wasn't going to do it."

On Jason Hart guarding Ginobili:
"(Hart) was up on him, but you need to be on his left hand. Don't let him go baseline. ... If he would've kept him going to the middle of the court, it's easier to stay with your guy. You don't get the back-picks normally, but when he got going baseline, I could see Barry, I could see (Spurs forward Tim) Duncan step up, and I could see myself dying at that point. ... They made a great play, and we made a stupid mistake. What else can you say?"
 
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To nit pick: The picture showing the bounce is wrong. The ball hit both (far and near) sides of the rim before it hit the backboard and fell down. It was a miraculous shot. Nevertheless, it was a great play drawn up by Pop and Bibby was caught napping on defense leaving a wide open Brent Barry.
 

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coolhandluke said:
To nit pick: The picture showing the bounce is wrong. The ball hit both (far and near) sides of the rim before it hit the backboard and fell down. It was a miraculous shot. Nevertheless, it was a great play drawn up by Pop and Bibby was caught napping on defense leaving a wide open Brent Barry.
Yep, hit the far side of the basket (from Barry), then the near side, then bounced up....
 

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kingsfannPDX said:
wow. i didn't realize rick had such an average playoff record.
Erm. Think about it. Most coaches who even get to the playoffs lose more than they win. It's the nature of playoff basketball. The only coaches that would have a really good record are those like Gregg Popovich and Phil Jackson who have gone through the whole way, accumulating more wins than losses in necessity.
 
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Why does Adelman feel the need to do so much post mortem (I know we do it as fans), but damn think about the next game, and don't let the "people" get in your head.
 
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coolhandluke said:
To nit pick: The picture showing the bounce is wrong. The ball hit both (far and near) sides of the rim before it hit the backboard and fell down. It was a miraculous shot. Nevertheless, it was a great play drawn up by Pop and Bibby was caught napping on defense leaving a wide open Brent Barry.
And more detailed nitpicking reveals that the pass was made by Ginobili with his left hand. Come on folks, you've had two days to get this done right. :D
 

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KingKong said:
Why does Adelman feel the need to do so much post mortem (I know we do it as fans), but damn think about the next game, and don't let the "people" get in your head.
???

Adelman answered questions put forth to him by the media. What would you rather he say: "Well, it's behind us..."?
 

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striker said:
And more detailed nitpicking reveals that the pass was made by Ginobili with his left hand. Come on folks, you've had two days to get this done right. :D
Nitpicking by Kings fans = okay
Nitpicking by Spurs fans = thin ice

:D
 

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KingKong said:
Yes I would, actually.
Okay, you've totally lost me here. DURING A PRESS CONFERENCE Rick Adelman answered questions. That's why they hold press conferences, so the media can ask questions and get answers they then turn around and use to write articles to inform, enlighten, or even enrage the fans.

The press conference was held in Sacramento at the first Kings practice after the team returned.

I'm pretty sure Adelman isn't still chewing on that game.
 
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VF21 said:
Okay, you've totally lost me here. DURING A PRESS CONFERENCE Rick Adelman answered questions. That's why they hold press conferences, so the media can ask questions and get answers they then turn around and use to write articles to inform, enlighten, or even enrage the fans.

The press conference was held in Sacramento at the first Kings practice after the team returned.

I'm pretty sure Adelman isn't still chewing on that game.
I wasn't aware that it was done at a press conference. For some reason, I pictured Adelman during practice in his sweatpants, giving us his detailed thought process on those final seconds of the game. Still, I feel that Adelman cares too much what the fans and media think, he doesn't have to explain himself.... he's the coach of the Kings.
 

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I disagree vehemently. If he refused to answer media questions, it would be splashed all over the BEE in living color. And his detractors would gleefully announce that he's trying to hide something...

It was a press conference but in the practice facility. There were probably 10-15 media reps there, microphones in hand, asking questions.

The NBA requires that coaches and players be available to the media and that they answer questions. Adelman did so...

"I'm the coach of the Kings, I don't have to answer questions" is not an acceptable response, in the eyes of the fans, the eyes of the media, OR the eyes of David Stern.
 
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The quotes all seem verbatim of what he said when he called into Grant's show yesterday.

I thought it was cool that he was upfront and forthright about that last play. He asked his guys to cover the 3 (simple) and Mike didn't. End of story.
 
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the #3 panel of that diagram make it seem as if SAR should have gone run out to Brent Barry; if you watch that replay, SAR had no chance to reach Barry in time. If he had, and Barry's shot DID miss, SAR wouldn't have been in position to get the rebound.
 

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PixelPusher said:
the #3 panel of that diagram make it seem as if SAR should have gone run out to Brent Barry; if you watch that replay, SAR had no chance to reach Barry in time. If he had, and Barry's shot DID miss, SAR wouldn't have been in position to get the rebound.
Mentioned before the rebound is completely irrelevant when you are already giving up the absolute best shot the Spurs could possibly have asked for -- a wide open three frm the short corner by their hottest shooter. I mean, at that point you just have to sell out trying to do SOMETHING, anything to break that up. There is no look you are going to give up off the rebound which could possibly be worse.
 
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VF21 said:
I disagree vehemently. If he refused to answer media questions, it would be splashed all over the BEE in living color. And his detractors would gleefully announce that he's trying to hide something...

"I'm the coach of the Kings, I don't have to answer questions" is not an acceptable response, in the eyes of the fans, the eyes of the media, OR the eyes of David Stern.
You obviously missed my point. I never said that Adelman should not respond to questions at all. That is an exaggeration on your part. I don't see other coaches in the league going through such lengths in explaining themselves after a defensive breakdown that has led to a loss (even if it is in the playoffs). When these type of questions are posed to him, he gets extremely defensive, as if to say he lets the fans and media get into his head. Don't get me wrong, I think is one of the better coaches in the game today, but he doesn't have to justify himself all the time. Anyway it's just nitpicking, so I'll stop now.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Mentioned before the rebound is completely irrelevant when you are already giving up the absolute best shot the Spurs could possibly have asked for -- a wide open three frm the short corner by their hottest shooter. I mean, at that point you just have to sell out trying to do SOMETHING, anything to break that up. There is no look you are going to give up off the rebound which could possibly be worse.
After watching the replay it seemed that Bibby could care less about guarding Barry and decided to help on Ginobili driving in.
 
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Rome said:
After watching the replay it seemed that Bibby could care less about guarding Barry and decided to help on Ginobili driving in.
It seems EVERYONE was thinking that way. Kevin completely abandoned Parker. Reef lost contact with Duncan, Bibby took two steps in. Only Cisco stayed home. Just makes no sense.
 
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Yea but you have to give Reef a break. His first playoff appearance and without him the team would of been losing by at least 10-15 pts. Plus it was Bibby's defensive assignment to take care of Barry.