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Bench slowly raises game
The Kings' reserves did well in Detroit, but they still lack consistency.
By Sam Amick -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Friday, December 16, 2005


SAN ANTONIO - Four games in five nights. A loss to the NBA champions of two seasons past and defending Eastern Conference champions. A stretch that still shows three wins in the last four tries.

It's silver-lining time.

The Kings' loss to Detroit on Wednesday night was not for naught. When their starters couldn't convince their legs to keep going against the Pistons at the Palace of Auburn Hills, the bench was given a rare time to shine, perhaps brewing the confidence and cohesion so necessary for a turnaround that's yet to come.

The reserves' 13-1 run in the second quarter not only turned a nine-point deficit into a three-point edge, it gave Kings coach Rick Adelman an extended viewing of the reserves he's still trying to figure out, as he played them 94 collective minutes.

Corliss Williamson had season highs in points and rebounds, Kenny Thomas had his third straight solid outing, and Brian Skinner had a noticeable effect. In time, the bigger, better Pistons countered with a knockout blow a la their famous courtside fan, Tommy "Hit Man" Hearns, in the loss. But for the much-maligned Kings unit, time and production alone were reasons for optimism.

"Our starters do a great job of playing hard and fighting, but there's going to be some nights when they're not going to have it, and it's going to be the responsibility of the bench to pick up the slack and try to bring some energy to the game," Williamson said. "It's just a matter of us getting the opportunity to play together, and have an identity as a bench. (Wednesday night) was great in that we got some quality minutes, and get an opportunity to try and see what we can bring to this team."

The Kings' bench is ranked 28th in the league in scoring, averaging 19.1 points per game and better only than two teams that thus far have overcome the problem - division leaders Philadelphia and the Los Angeles Clippers. Chicago leads the league in bench scoring with an average of 45.7 points per game.

More than once, Adelman has spoke of past reserves, no one more so than Bobby Jackson. His name was synonymous with consistency and gave Adelman peace of mind in knowing what to expect nearly every time. There is no such luxury now.

"In past years, we've always had three or four guys who always played, with eight guys where you knew what you were going to get night in and night out," Adelman said. "This is a different group. The mixture's different and everything. I just have to keep trying things until we get some type of production on a consistent basis. That's what you need night in and night out."

There are positive signs. Power forward Kenny Thomas has hit 9 of his last 16 shots to go with 11 rebounds and six assists. Backup point guard Jason Hart has hit 11 of his last 22 shots in improving his shot selection and his stroke. Skinner had his best game of the season against the Pistons as he logged a season-high 18 minutes, tied his season high in points (six) and had four rebounds and two steals.

Meanwhile, Francisco García hasn't continued the surge that started when he replaced Stojakovic in the starting lineup from Nov. 21 to Nov. 25. The rookie has the lowest field-goal percentage of the bench bunch at 33.8 percent. He's made just 1 of his last 12 shots and 4 of 29 three-point attempts overall.

"It can't just be one night, and then the next five games, we're a non-factor," Williamson said. "We have to find the way to have that consistency so that coach will have confidence to put us in and we'll be able to respond to whatever's going on."

The goal being easier said than done, the second-unit soul search continues.

About the writer: The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at (916) 326-5582 or samick@sacbee.com.
 
Meanwhile, Francisco García hasn't continued the surge that started when he replaced Stojakovic in the starting lineup from Nov. 21 to Nov. 25. The rookie has the lowest field-goal percentage of the bench bunch at 33.8 percent. He's made just 1 of his last 12 shots and 4 of 29 three-point attempts overall.

Maybe it's time to give Martin a little more time? I like BOTH youngsters but it's pretty hard to understand the logic behind the way the minutes have been allocated lately.

Of course, this argument has been had many times before. I just don't like seeing an unproven commodity - Garcia - being given so much time when two other unproven commodities - Martin AND Price - are pretty much nailed to the bench.

Just my personal opinion, of course...

;)
 
Garcia's still getting time because of his point-abilities, along with his shot-blocking (which he has shown), not a lot, but usually you'll get one.

I'd like to see Martin get some more time than he has lately, but doesn't mean he has to take Garcia's place.
 
Oh good lord. I didn't say anything about Martin taking Garcia's place.

And at some point, you have to recognize that ability and production aren't necessarily the same thing.

I'd like to see a different rotation. One where perhaps Bonzi switches to the 3, bringing Kevin in at the 2 and perhaps give Price a shot at the 1 instead of going to Garcia at the 3 and Hart at the 1.

I repeat - I am NOT advocating that Kevin take Garcia's minutes so much as that the minutes be a little better distributed. If we have people on the bench - which is par for the course with Adelman - who aren't being given a fair chance, then I don't see how they can continue to maintain a level of excitement, enthusiasm, etc.

But, again, these are my personal opinions and don't reflect in any way anything I think the players are thinking.

Again, I am not saying Martin should take Garcia's place. And that makes about the 10,000th time I've said it.
 
VF21 said:
Oh good lord. I didn't say anything about Martin taking Garcia's place.



And at some point, you have to recognize that ability and production aren't necessarily the same thing.



I'd like to see a different rotation. One where perhaps Bonzi switches to the 3, bringing Kevin in at the 2 and perhaps give Price a shot at the 1 instead of going to Garcia at the 3 and Hart at the 1.



I repeat - I am NOT advocating that Kevin take Garcia's minutes so much as that the minutes be a little better distributed. If we have people on the bench - which is par for the course with Adelman - who aren't being given a fair chance, then I don't see how they can continue to maintain a level of excitement, enthusiasm, etc.



But, again, these are my personal opinions and don't reflect in any way anything I think the players are thinking.



Again, I am not saying Martin should take Garcia's place. And that makes about the 10,000th time I've said it.


Oh, good lord... ;)

I never said you did, nor was that my intent, I was just saying Martin should get some more time along with Garcia.

Garcia is producing with his point-abilities, doesn't always have to get a number of assists though.

I wouldn't mind seeing that rotation, I really wanna see some of Price with actual decent minutes, like in pre-season.
 
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I've been saying it since summer...

I see no reason to keep both Martin and Garcia. They'll simply steal each other's time. Garcia has struggled, but IMO Martin has been given a long look and his A game is only a "B" game by league standars.

I fully expect one of them to be part of a trade very soon. From Martin's lack of time lately, I would bet he's gonna be the one to go.

Please trade somebody. This team is not good enough to compete for a playoff spot.
 
LA King Fan II said:
I've been saying it since summer...

I see no reason to keep both Martin and Garcia. Garcia has struggled, but IMO Martin has been given a long look and his A game is only a "B" game by league standars.

I fully expect one of them to be part of a trade very soon. From Martin's lack of time lately, I would bet he's gonna be the one to go.

I tend to agree with this.
 
VF21 said:
"It can't just be one night, and then the next five games, we're a non-factor," Williamson said. "We have to find the way to have that consistency so that coach will have confidence to put us in and we'll be able to respond to whatever's going on."
Someone finally gets it. Williamson should have told Amick to hold off on the article until they do this for a five game stretch.
 
LA King Fan II said:
I see no reason to keep both Martin and Garcia. They'll simply steal each other's time.

I think the hope is/was to develop them into a 2/3 tandem that would be quick and infuse energy on the court at the same time, not to be 2 guys playing the same position.

I would rather trade one or two of the big 3 if they aren't going to play and get pieces that way - let these two evolve some more as they are cheap and have some promise. Depending on what we get in return, throw them both in the D-league if PT is going to be minimal. Maybe Price, too. I'd like to see what these guys can do with more experience.
 
VF21 said:
Maybe it's time to give Martin a little more time? I like BOTH youngsters but it's pretty hard to understand the logic behind the way the minutes have been allocated lately.

Of course, this argument has been had many times before. I just don't like seeing an unproven commodity - Garcia - being given so much time when two other unproven commodities - Martin AND Price - are pretty much nailed to the bench.

Just my personal opinion, of course...

;)
The reason he is getting time is because he is simply a better fit for the system. Nothing more to it. Garcia can handle playing 3 positions. Sure he hasn't brought a hell of a lot to the table but he is just a more versatile player than Martin and Price. For as long as I can remember, Adelman likes versatility.
 
Warhawk said:
I think the hope is/was to develop them into a 2/3 tandem that would be quick and infuse energy on the court at the same time, not to be 2 guys playing the same position.

I've never seen it like that -- always assumed that playing both was just a "let's be nice" publiuc relations thing. With strong starters there are only enough minutes for one 2/3 off the bench to get any real minutes. So I think its ALWAYS been either Cisco OR Martin, not both. Just everybody rooting for the kids was hoping for a different result.
 
Bricklayer said:
I've never seen it like that -- always assumed that playing both was just a "let's be nice" publiuc relations thing. With strong starters there are only enough minutes for one 2/3 off the bench to get any real minutes. So I think its ALWAYS been either Cisco OR Martin, not both. Just everybody rooting for the kids was hoping for a different result.

I thought I read somewhere that Adleman wanted both coming off the bench together for the speed and athleticism.....

Ah, found it:

http://www.nba.com/kings/news/Rick_Adelman_QA-153966-58.html

Kings.com: Were you happy with the second team’s performance last night?

rick_adelman.jpg
Adelman: “We’re hoping that’s what they do. They’re young, they get after it. We need them to bring energy out on to the floor when they come into the game. It’s just a matter of them finding out what they can do and there’s a lot of guys who haven’t played a lot there. But we like them together, especially Jason, Francisco and Kevin—they bring energy.


Kings.com: Do you see the two of them playing a lot together during the season?

rick_adelman.jpg
Adelman:I think we can play them both. A lot of it is going to be defensively how (Francisco) matches up. His biggest thing right now is defensively, because he’s not real disciplined, which is not unusual for rookies. Whatever position they come into they’re usually not real disciplined in their defense, and he certainly does that. He turns his head too much and he loses his man too much, but those are things he should get better at if he’s willing to work.”
 
VF21 said:
Maybe it's time to give Martin a little more time? I like BOTH youngsters but it's pretty hard to understand the logic behind the way the minutes have been allocated lately.

Of course, this argument has been had many times before. I just don't like seeing an unproven commodity - Garcia - being given so much time when two other unproven commodities - Martin AND Price - are pretty much nailed to the bench.

Just my personal opinion, of course...

;)

I would also like to see Price in the line-up, Hart is not solid in B/U dept. so why not give price some exp.
 
Warhawk said:
I thought I read somewhere that Adleman wanted both coming off the bench together for the speed and athleticism.....

Ah, found it:

http://www.nba.com/kings/news/Rick_Adelman_QA-153966-58.html

As I emntioend -- never bouoght it. Makes no sense and flies int eh face not only of the situaiton on th court, wher Peja+Bonzi leaves 25min tops for reserves, but also of Rick himself who like most coaches wants to play his best 8.
 
I think Hart is solid but so far has not been good/quick at catching on to the offense. I don’t think this offense is his strength; however I do think he is a decent defender and a serviceable back-up, of course it has to be on the right team for his game as a backup to shine.

As far as Martin or Garcia, I don't think Martin has really gotten the opportunity to show his real stripes. Last year was basically a non-playing time year as he was on the RA deep bench. I think Martins strength so far is that he has showed in the off season that he wants to work to improve. This is from what we heard from all the media/coaches and such before the season. Seen some “FLASH”es of it paying off but not much consistency, and honestly it is to be expected from most (non-freak super stud) young players.

Garcia I think has more potential but needs to polish most areas of his game. I think he can bring a lot to the table, will he be able to improve his 3pt NBA shot is one question that I would ask.

I like them both, I think they both can be productive bench players some point in their careers and if the both work hard hopefully they see a starting role someday.
 
I think as constructed the bench will have no factor if we suceed or not. The bench will need some pickups/trades, I think KT / Corliss / Skinner should be the first pieces moved to get our bench in order. With that said they came over from the Webb trade and I think maybe Petrie has had this long term plan all along. Petrie=JWEST Jr. (Disclaimer - JW JR, if he can get that Peja crush behind him)
 
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