Bee: Arena talks corral key parties

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Several sides will be in the same room for the first time at today's meeting


By Terri Hardy

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/14276735p-15086053c.html

As a last-ditch negotiating effort to build a new Sacramento sports arena gets under way this afternoon, it marks the first time all parties with a stake in its construction are in the same room.

The players include Sacramento Vice Mayor Rob Fong and Sacramento County Supervisor Roger Dickinson -- the first time local elected leaders have directly participated. Also attending are Joe and Gavin Maloof, the owners of the Kings, and a top lawyer or two from the National Basketball Association.

The setting is surreal -- the Las Vegas Palms Hotel, owned by the Maloof family and chosen for the summit so George Maloof also can participate in the talks.

Arena negotiations broke down two weeks ago. Today's hastily convened meeting is viewed as an 11th-hour opportunity to make a deal and meet a deadline to put an arena financing measure before voters in November.

"There was a shared frustration on all sides that there never was a deal maker in the room, someone who could say yes or no," Fong said. "It's huge, it's very significant that the Maloofs wanted us to be in the same room with them."

John Thomas, president of Maloof Sports and Entertainment, also will be at the table. The objective of the meeting, he said, was "speaking face-to-face for the first time."

"We're all going in optimistic, we want to get an agreement and vote on it," Thomas said. "At the same time, it's serious work."

A deadline looms. Because the arena talks have focused on funding the facility in part with a quarter-cent Sacramento County sales tax increase, California's Constitution requires the prospect go before voters during a regularly scheduled general election, said assistant county counsel John Whisenhunt.

The law requires approval from the Sacramento County Board of Supervisors to put the measure on a ballot. Regulations call for the supervisors to see the item in two separate meetings, with the first look on July 25 and the vote on Aug. 2, said John Dangberg, an assistant city manager for economic development.

"This is really the last stand," Dangberg said. Practically, the deal has to be done and presented to the supervisors before July 25 so they can digest the deal, he said.

When negotiations broke down June 29, participants said the two sides were far apart on several key points including price and fair share. The arena team is using the Memphis, Tenn., arena -- which cost $250 million to build in 2004 -- as a comparison for talks.

But the sides couldn't agree on a price tag for a Sacramento arena. Costs for materials have skyrocketed, and building on the West Coast is more expensive, officials said.

After talks ended there was silence, with no movement on the deal, Fong said.

With two weeks before the deadline, Fong said he decided to call the NBA and ask for a meeting, hoping it would kick-start the process. Fong, Dangberg and Paul Hahn, the county's economic development director, flew to New York for a meeting with the NBA on Thursday. Dickinson participated by telephone.

"We wanted to assure them about Sacramento's commitment, and test what the NBA's commitment to Sacramento was," Fong said.

Although the NBA is not a neutral party -- NBA team owners essentially are the league's boss -- Fong and his group asked the NBA to play a facilitator role.

The NBA got the ball rolling by calling the Maloofs. On Friday, the Maloofs offered to reconvene talks, but wanted to involve brother George. George Maloof is the force behind the building of the trendy Palms casino, and could attend only if the talks were in Las Vegas.

Also, NBA Commissioner David Stern, who is on vacation, directed league attorneys Harvey Benjamin and possibly Joel Litvin to attend the sit-down.

The arena negotiators will be rounded out with Dan Barrett, a Southern California sports consultant working for the city, and former state Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg, representing the Maloofs.
 
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Instead of taking polls of 'in-the-dark-people', I wish there were some education going on - like telling the voting masses what an arena could be, statistics from San Diego, and other uses suggested for the arena. All we know is this little one-use-at-a-time building. We haven't seen San Diego with its restaurants and on-site vendors. And don't get me started on parking. Who is doing this research and why isn't it being distributed, BEFORE the polls are taken?
 
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Instead of taking polls of 'in-the-dark-people', I wish there were some education going on - like telling the voting masses what an arena could be, statistics from San Diego, and other uses suggested for the arena. All we know is this little one-use-at-a-time building. We haven't seen San Diego with its restaurants and on-site vendors. And don't get me started on parking. Who is doing this research and why isn't it being distributed, BEFORE the polls are taken?
Actually there's been studies ad nauseum econmic and engineering. Just that most people haven't bothered to read them.
 
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Actually there's been studies ad nauseum econmic and engineering. Just that most people haven't bothered to read them.
Kennadog, that's like having a stomach ache and deciding to go to the doctor and he says 'you have a stomach ache' and you still have to pay him. I have never seen any reports of this research. Maybe the nay sayers haven't seen it either. I did say education. I don't think you can educate if the students have no access to the teacher or the subject matter.
 

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Kennadog, that's like having a stomach ache and deciding to go to the doctor and he says 'you have a stomach ache' and you still have to pay him. I have never seen any reports of this research. Maybe the nay sayers haven't seen it either. I did say education. I don't think you can educate if the students have no access to the teacher or the subject matter.
I don't think that is a very good analogy as I don't see the relationship between the two.

Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist.

The Sacramento Bee has commented many times over the years about economic studies and the fact that the structure needs to be replaced.

They have printed multiple in-depth articles about the Maloofs finances regarding the Kings and how they have lost money most of the years they have owned the team.
 
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Kennadog, that's like having a stomach ache and deciding to go to the doctor and he says 'you have a stomach ache' and you still have to pay him. I have never seen any reports of this research. Maybe the nay sayers haven't seen it either. I did say education. I don't think you can educate if the students have no access to the teacher or the subject matter.
Its been available on line, and still is, much of it or a synopsis has been covered in the Bee. It takes little effort to find them. You can get them from the city.

The problem is a majority of the people say they don't have a stomach-ache, supposedly.

I agree that I don't think its been "marketed" in a way likely to garner support, which I hope it will be. And you do have to make dry studies more accessible reading to people. But I am equally sure that there are many people who are just not going to vote for any tax or who are just stuck on the "if it needs fixing, let the billionaires do it by themselves," and da*n the studies.

I truly hope it is a good proposal and one that has a chance. At that point, the education will have to be on the details of what's being proposed.

Since they've apparently figured out it won't cost more to build at the railyards than Natomas, I'm excited for the possibility of what the whole development of this area with a major entertainment/sports venue could be like. It could only increase life/excitement in downtown Sac, which is so dull for blocks, because of all the government buildings that are closed and dark for blocks and blocks.
 
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Instead of taking polls of 'in-the-dark-people', I wish there were some education going on - like telling the voting masses what an arena could be, statistics from San Diego, and other uses suggested for the arena. All we know is this little one-use-at-a-time building. We haven't seen San Diego with its restaurants and on-site vendors. And don't get me started on parking. Who is doing this research and why isn't it being distributed, BEFORE the polls are taken?
TOTALLY!! I've been wanting this very thing to happen all along.
 
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Instead of taking polls of 'in-the-dark-people', I wish there were some education going on - like telling the voting masses what an arena could be, statistics from San Diego, and other uses suggested for the arena. All we know is this little one-use-at-a-time building. We haven't seen San Diego with its restaurants and on-site vendors. And don't get me started on parking. Who is doing this research and why isn't it being distributed, BEFORE the polls are taken?

I've thought this myself, but I think the main reason we haven't seen more education is that none of it matters unless they can agree to terms and get this thing on the ballot.

I agree it would be nice if people had been educated FIRST, since it might have made a difference in the polls, and positive polls could have inspired them to get a deal done. However, I have to believe that if and when an arena proposal goes on the ballot there will have to be some serious marketing of all the details, and all the reasons for a new arena. If they aren't going to do that, they might as well not put it on the ballot.