Barry Bonds Indicted!!

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112487

SAN FRANCISCO -- Baseball superstar Barry Bonds was charged Thursday with perjury and obstruction of justice for allegedly lying when he said he did not use performance-enhancing drugs.

The indictment, unsealed Thursday by federal prosecutors in San Francisco, is the culmination of a four-year federal probe into whether he lied under oath to a grand jury investigating steroid use by elite athletes.

The indictment comes three months after the 43-year-old Bonds, one of the biggest names in professional sports, passed Hank Aaron to become baseball's career home run leader, his sport's most hallowed record. Bonds, who parted ways with the San Francisco Giants at the end of last season and has yet to sign with another team, also holds the game's single-season home run record of 73.

While Bonds was chasing Aaron amid the adulation of San Franciscans and the scorn of baseball fans almost everywhere else, due to his notoriously prickly personality and nagging steroid allegations, a grand jury quietly worked behind closed doors to put the finishing touches on the long-rumored indictment.

"I'm surprised," said John Burris, one of Bonds' attorneys, "but there's been an effort to get Barry for a long time. "I'm curious what evidence they have now they didn't have before."

Burris did not know of the indictment before being alerted by The Associated Press. He said he would immediate call Bonds to notify him. The indictment charges Bonds with lying when he said that he didn't knowingly take steroids given to him by his personal trainer Greg Anderson. He also denied taking steroids at anytime in 2001 when he was pursuing the single season home-run record.

"During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes," the indictment reads. He is also charged with lying that Anderson never injected him with steroids. "Greg wouldn't do that," Bonds testified in December 2003 when asked if Anderson ever gave him any drugs that needed to be injected. "He knows I'm against that stuff."

Bonds is by far the highest-profile figure caught up in the wide-ranging government steroids investigation launched in 2002 with the raid of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative -- now infamously known as BALCO -- the Burlingame-based supplements lab at the center of a large steroids distribution ring.

Allegations of steroid use long have dogged Bonds, the son of an ex-Major Leaguer who broke into baseball with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1986 as a lithe, base-stealing outfielder. By the late 1990s he'd grown to more than 240 pounds, with his head, in particular, becoming noticeably bigger.
Bonds' physical growth was accompanied by a remarkable power surge. During the 2001 season he broke Mark McGwire's single-season home run crown, and by 2006, he'd passed Babe Ruth to move into second-place among the sport's most prolific power hitters. He will soon in all likelihood surpass Aaron's career mark of 755 homers.

Speculation of his impending indictment had mounted for more than a year. In July 2006, the U.S. attorney in San Francisco, who led the investigation, took the unusual step of going public with the probe by announcing he was handing it off to a new grand jury when the previous panel's 18-month term expired. Prosecutors are typically secretive about grand jury proceedings.
At the center of the investigation is Bonds' childhood friend and personal trainer, Greg Anderson, who spent most of the past year in a federal detention center for refusing to testify to the grand jury investigating Bonds' alleged perjury.

According to testimony obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle, Bonds testified in 2003 that he took two substances given to him by Anderson -- which he called "the cream" and "the clear" -- to soothe aches and pains and help him better recover from injuries. The substances fit the description of steroids peddled by BALCO founder Victor Conte. But when questioned under oath by investigators, Bonds famously said he believed Anderson had given him flaxseed oil and an arthritic balm. Investigators and the public had their doubts. Aiming to prove Bonds a liar, prosecutors tried to compel Anderson to testify. When he refused, they jailed him for contempt.

Bonds joins a parade of defendants tied to the BALCO investigation, including Anderson, who served three months in prison and three months of home detention after pleading guilty to steroid distribution and money laundering.
Conte also served three months in prison after he pleaded guilty to steroids distribution.

Patrick Arnold, the rogue chemist who created the designer steroid THG, BALCO vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny also all also pleaded guilty. Korchemny and Valente were sentenced to probation and Arnold sent to prison for four months.

Kirk Radomski, a former New York Mets clubhouse attendant, pleaded guilty April 27 to drug and money laundering charges after federal officials said he became Major League Baseball's biggest steroids dealer after BALCO shut down.
Elite cyclist Tammy Thomas and track coach Trevor Graham have each pleaded not guilty to lying to a grand jury and federal investigators about their involvement with steroids.

Troy Ellerman, a defense attorney who represented two of the BALCO figures, pleaded guilty to leaking confidential grand jury transcripts to the San Francisco Chronicle and then denying he was the leak in court documents filed under penalty of perjury.

Dozens of other prominent athletes have been connected to BALCO, including New York Yankees slugger Jason Giambi who told the grand jury he injected steroids purchased at BALCO and Detroit Tigers outfielder Gary Sheffield who testified that Bonds introduced him to BALCO.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
 

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And this comes as a surprise to who, exactly? You lie to the men in black, you reap the rewards....

Maybe he and Vick can play catch together in the yard. ;)

I am surprised about the positive tests they mention. That should, if true, shut up all the folks saying, "but he never tested positive".
 
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And this comes as a surprise to who, exactly? You lie to the men in black, you reap the rewards....

Maybe he and Vick can play catch together in the yard. ;)

I am surprised about the positive tests they mention. That should, if true, shut up all the folks saying, "but he never tested positive".
But those are tests that were not supposed to be made public... Therefore they are not to be judged upon by anyone outside the courts. We are supposed to act like they don't exist.

:rolleyes:
 
#12
The feds could indict a ham sandwich.

Now lets see if they can actually convict him...

I'd say unless if they have some new key witness coming out of left field, that the chances of conviction are a coinflip. On one side you have Barry's big "head", and the other side you have the Feds with their "tails" between their legs.

I put my money on a lawyer trying to make a career move, and Barry gets off.
 
#13
The feds could indict a ham sandwich.

Now lets see if they can actually convict him...

I'd say unless if they have some new key witness coming out of left field, that the chances of conviction are a coinflip. On one side you have Barry's big "head", and the other side you have the Feds with their "tails" between their legs.

I put my money on a lawyer trying to make a career move, and Barry gets off.
Other than a video of Bonds shooting steroids directly into his arse I'm not sure how much more evidence you could have aginst a person.....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/11/16/MN9CPRF7F.DTL
 
#14
Other than a video of Bonds shooting steroids directly into his arse I'm not sure how much more evidence you could have aginst a person.....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/11/16/MN9CPRF7F.DTL
The question is whether he knew he was taking steroids or not, not whether he actually took them. That will be harder to prove. The positive test, the calendars, and any other evidence of use doesn't help if it doesn't also prove that Bonds knew about it.
 

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Well there is "he said-he said" element to this but only a fool takes his BEST evidence to the Grand Jury when all you wnat is the indictment. And thus far what you have is several BALCO personal with records saying "Bonds took steroids" The records proove he paid for steroids. He took tests, the test were positive. Now the defense calims "Bonds did not know they gave him steroids" so he either did not see the bills or these are fakes. They can not claim Bonds never took the tests (samples are likely in fed lock up) so the claim will be "Shure Bonds gave bllod and urin but he did not know they were testing for steroids OR he never saw the results."

In short even with the cards teh Feds are showing it will be tough for ANY attorney to find even ONE juror to buy the "I did not know" story when confronting doccumentation of bills for sterioids, cleaners, and tests for steroids.
 
#16
The question is whether he knew he was taking steroids or not, not whether he actually took them. That will be harder to prove. The positive test, the calendars, and any other evidence of use doesn't help if it doesn't also prove that Bonds knew about it.
Since they indicted him for lying about Anderson injecting him with steroids, what do you suppose Bonds thought he was being injected with? :eek:
 
#17
The feds could indict a ham sandwich.

Now lets see if they can actually convict him...

I'd say unless if they have some new key witness coming out of left field, that the chances of conviction are a coinflip. On one side you have Barry's big "head", and the other side you have the Feds with their "tails" between their legs.

I put my money on a lawyer trying to make a career move, and Barry gets off.
This isn't your local district attorney. The Feds have insane conviction rates, something like 90+% or so. They do their fact checking before they indict so they most certainly have a case and backups if their main case fails.

I'd be scared if I were Bonds. The Feds usually mean business when they indict.
 
#18
Since they indicted him for lying about Anderson injecting him with steroids, what do you suppose Bonds thought he was being injected with? :eek:
I fully expect Bonds to plea or be found guilty. I'm just saying it's not as simple as proving he used steroids. Otherwise, it wouldn't have taken so long to get the indictment in the first place.
 
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This isn't your local district attorney. The Feds have insane conviction rates, something like 90+% or so. They do their fact checking before they indict so they most certainly have a case and backups if their main case fails.

I'd be scared if I were Bonds. The Feds usually mean business when they indict.

I can't deny this, but I don't need to. That is why I stated that unless if they have some sort of new key witness that it is a coinflip. Because without a new key witness, (Anderson has already made it apparant that he will not help), they had this very same indictment over a year ago. So why did they wait so long to present this indictment? Were they waiting for Anderson to flip? Possibly.

Anyway, an indictment is ridiculously easy to get, especially when you drag this thing out for years. I think the feds were politically committed to getting Bonds, and that some prosecuting lawyer is trying to beef up his career, whether or not they can actually convict him. The only reason a lawyer would bring a case like this if they didn't have the slam-dunk evidence they usually have, is to either pursue a witch hunt or to pad the resume. Not that this isn't a witch hunt, but I think there is a savvy lawyer that wants to prosecute Barry in order to establish that they can challenge the "big dogs".


Lets also keep in mind that this is perjury (and OOJ) that they are trying to convict him of. Many would agree that perjury is extremely difficult to prove in court. So the "going rate" of convictions doesn't necessarily apply to this situation. Similarly, you saw how many years it took for this to happen. Obviously you can attribute much of the length of time to the degree of difficulty of conviction, but even with that considered, it still took the feds quite a long time. I don't know what the "average indictment speed" for perjury cases is, but the feds usually act pretty quickly. They have invested too much time and money to just let him go, but they don't want to spend any more and were ready to fip that coin without Anderson. Maybe they did get that key witness, maybe they didn't. Coinflip, as of this moment, 4:50 pm PST, Friday, November 16th, 2007, IMHO. I won't deny that this is huge. This isn't a walk in the park for BLB. But I do think this is not just an open-and-shut case, like the average ESPN viewer might think it is. And I don't think people are going to get the particular closure that they are seeking.

Like I said a couple months ago...all we really need is Jack Bauer to spend some "quality time" with Anderson.
 

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I can't deny this, but I don't need to. That is why I stated that unless if they have some sort of new key witness that it is a coinflip. Because without a new key witness, (Anderson has already made it apparant that he will not help), they had this very same indictment over a year ago. So why did they wait so long to present this indictment? Were they waiting for Anderson to flip? Possibly.

Anyway, an indictment is ridiculously easy to get, especially when you drag this thing out for years. I think the feds were politically committed to getting Bonds, and that some prosecuting lawyer is trying to beef up his career, whether or not they can actually convict him. The only reason a lawyer would bring a case like this if they didn't have the slam-dunk evidence they usually have, is to either pursue a witch hunt or to pad the resume. Not that this isn't a witch hunt, but I think there is a savvy lawyer that wants to prosecute Barry in order to establish that they can challenge the "big dogs".


Lets also keep in mind that this is perjury (and OOJ) that they are trying to convict him of. Many would agree that perjury is extremely difficult to prove in court. So the "going rate" of convictions doesn't necessarily apply to this situation. Similarly, you saw how many years it took for this to happen. Obviously you can attribute much of the length of time to the degree of difficulty of conviction, but even with that considered, it still took the feds quite a long time. I don't know what the "average indictment speed" for perjury cases is, but the feds usually act pretty quickly. They have invested too much time and money to just let him go, but they don't want to spend any more and were ready to fip that coin without Anderson. Maybe they did get that key witness, maybe they didn't. Coinflip, as of this moment, 4:50 pm PST, Friday, November 16th, 2007, IMHO. I won't deny that this is huge. This isn't a walk in the park for BLB. But I do think this is not just an open-and-shut case, like the average ESPN viewer might think it is. And I don't think people are going to get the particular closure that they are seeking.

Like I said a couple months ago...all we really need is Jack Bauer to spend some "quality time" with Anderson.
So now you're reduced to "unless they have a new key witness"? Before it "not unless he's indicted"...

Earth to BawLa. He was indicted and they wouldn't have done so if they weren't reasonably sure they had him cold. You can continue to split hairs all you like but your hero could have saved himself and everyone else a lot of angst had he simply told the truth. He was even under a grant of IMMUNITY and he still had to lie.

There are none so blind as those who will not see...

He cheated. He benefited from it. He realized people were catching on and he lied to a grand jury. He continued to lie. Now he has to pay for those lies.
 
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So now you're reduced to "unless they have a new key witness"? Before it "not unless he's indicted"...

Earth to BawLa. He was indicted and they wouldn't have done so if they weren't reasonably sure they had him cold. You can continue to split hairs all you like but your hero could have saved himself and everyone else a lot of angst had he simply told the truth. He was even under a grant of IMMUNITY and he still had to lie.

There are none so blind as those who will not see...

He cheated. He benefited from it. He realized people were catching on and he lied to a grand jury. He continued to lie. Now he has to pay for those lies.
Oh you and George Bush should just get a room already...

VF, I am not reduced to anything. I'm sorry if I don't trust some of the sources that you do...sources that have remained anonymous to this day. I have had maintained that I will gladly eat my words if he is found guilty. The question is, will YOU eat yours if the right information comes out. If Bonds isn't found guilty of perjury is it just another man who paid his way out? Will you blame it on the court system? I'm sure you will find an appropriate excuse.

You have to admit that this indictment came out of nowhere. The same indictment could have been turned in over a year ago. That's why I say that if they don't have a new key witness, that they have nothing. Well they have Kim Bell, but that is next to nothing.

You jumped to a conclusion, that you were led to, by certain information that Bonds' lawyer has labeled as "selectively leaked fabrications". If that makes me blind, then I guess I'm blind as a bat. :rolleyes: If it turns out that all of the information that you have based your opinion on is a lie, what then? Will you be upset at yourself for giving Farinu-Wada and Williams $10 of your hard earned money? Farinu-Wada, hah! As if he wasn't making a career move. I guess he always wanted to be ESPN's very own ivestigative reporter...oooh. He must be your hero.

Bonds isn't my hero, Joe Montana is my hero. Bonds is one of the greatest baseball players of all time. He was the best before steroids, during steroids, and after steroids (although A-Rod sure is good). Nothing has changed. And nothing will change that even if he is found guilty of lying. Lots of players took steroids in the steroids era of baseball. Bonds was the best one that took steroids. Whether or not he took them willingly is largely irrelevant. The whole era was doped up, and baseball turned a blind eye so that they could profit. Anyway, I hope Bonds' lawyers smash this case, just like Barry himself smashes home runs. I couldn't think of anything more fitting...
 

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Oh you and George Bush should just get a room already...

VF, I am not reduced to anything. I'm sorry if I don't trust some of the sources that you do...sources that have remained anonymous to this day. I have had maintained that I will gladly eat my words if he is found guilty. The question is, will YOU eat yours if the right information comes out. If Bonds isn't found guilty of perjury is it just another man who paid his way out? Will you blame it on the court system? I'm sure you will find an appropriate excuse.

You have to admit that this indictment came out of nowhere. The same indictment could have been turned in over a year ago. That's why I say that if they don't have a new key witness, that they have nothing. Well they have Kim Bell, but that is next to nothing.

You jumped to a conclusion, that you were led to, by certain information that Bonds' lawyer has labeled as "selectively leaked fabrications". If that makes me blind, then I guess I'm blind as a bat. :rolleyes: If it turns out that all of the information that you have based your opinion on is a lie, what then? Will you be upset at yourself for giving Farinu-Wada and Williams $10 of your hard earned money? Farinu-Wada, hah! As if he wasn't making a career move. I guess he always wanted to be ESPN's very own ivestigative reporter...oooh. He must be your hero.

Bonds isn't my hero, Joe Montana is my hero. Bonds is one of the greatest baseball players of all time. He was the best before steroids, during steroids, and after steroids (although A-Rod sure is good). Nothing has changed. And nothing will change that even if he is found guilty of lying. Lots of players took steroids in the steroids era of baseball. Bonds was the best one that took steroids. Whether or not he took them willingly is largely irrelevant. The whole era was doped up, and baseball turned a blind eye so that they could profit. Anyway, I hope Bonds' lawyers smash this case, just like Barry himself smashes home runs. I couldn't think of anything more fitting...
Anonymous? You have the authors with a well-researched book, an ex-girlfriend, and witnesses and conspirators too numerous to mention. And you have the physical evidence, look at the changes in Bond's body over the years if nothing else. Sorry, that is not natural. He was doping. He knew it. He lied about it.

This indictment has nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with lying to a grand jury and obstruction of justice. And believe me, they don't throw these things out like beads at Mardi Gras. If the men in black throw one of these his way, they've got strong evidence.

If he isn't found guilty? Well, OJ got off, didn't he? I guess there are a lot of brain-dead folks or some with agendas that can get on a jury....

"Selectively leaked fabrications"? Is that the best his lawyer can do? Seriously, I actually expected more of a rebuttal than that. Woo, I got goosebumps from that strongly-worded statement. :rolleyes: What, exactly, else would you expect a lawyer to say? If you are using a lawyers' statement for your defense of Barry, that's weak sauce.

I don't think it's good to have sports figures as "heroes". they aren't heroic. They just play games for a lot of $$$.

I completely agree about Bonds being one of the best of all time. Unfortunately for him he is also a cheat, a liar, an egotistical pain in the a** who cares nothing for the sport and only about his legacy. but you are right, he is a great player.

Lots of players doing it still doesn't make it right or mean it's OK to lie to a jury under oath about what you did. I wish his moral compass was as strong as his desire to be the "best".
 
#25
My sentiments exactly. As for Barry, hope he goes away too - to the Federal slammer for perjury.
You hope he goes to jail for lying? Are you serious? That is sad if you wish a man's family life to be torn apart because of a lie. Unless you are some devout christian, you have probably lied in your life. It's not like he lied about a serious crime. He lied about taking cookies from the wrong cookie jar. There are much more serious crimes that the judicial system should be dealing with.

I could understand if you didn't like the guy, and therefore didn't care if he when to jail. But don't you think hoping he goes to jail is a bit much? Seems kinda evil to me.
 

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You hope he goes to jail for lying? Are you serious? That is sad if you wish a man's family life to be torn apart because of a lie. Unless you are some devout christian, you have probably lied in your life. It's not like he lied about a serious crime. He lied about taking cookies from the wrong cookie jar. There are much more serious crimes that the judicial system should be dealing with.

I could understand if you didn't like the guy, and therefore didn't care if he when to jail. But don't you think hoping he goes to jail is a bit much? Seems kinda evil to me.
He didn't just lie. He lied while under a grant of immunity; he lied while other players were being forced out of the game because of their use of the same substances he used; he lied and accepted the adulation of fans who wanted desperately to see him break the home run record.

The judicial system shouldn't deal with this because it's not serious enough? Justice doesn't work that way.

At this point, it's almost unbelievable to see how you're still trying to defend this man but that's your choice. Please, however, do not insult the intelligence of the people who are responding to you by pretending that you actually still believe all his denials.

And, in closing, once again I'd like to point out that I was able to have a reasonable discourse on this without resorting to insults or sarcasm.
 
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To think, I used to idolize this guy. Statues shall crumble and fall my friends...
Yup. Although it's more because of the steroids than the perjury.

Assuming he's guilty, he should be punished appropriately. However, I never assumed he was the most honest or noble of people when I was rooting for him to succeed. I did hope that he accomplished his successes fairly, though, and that is why I stopped rooting for him.

There is another athlete who played in Northern California that was accused of something similar to perjury. Unlike Bonds, that athlete is by most accounts a nice guy, charming and benevolent. That athlete is still well-liked by many in this community despite his admitted crimes.

So what's the difference? For me, it's not about which one seems nice and which one seem surly. It's just about the cheating. Sure I want Bonds to be punished like anybody else would if he pleads or is found guilty. But more importantly I want the truth to come out because the real issue is the cheating, not the lying.
 
#28
He didn't just lie. He lied while under a grant of immunity; he lied while other players were being forced out of the game because of their use of the same substances he used; he lied and accepted the adulation of fans who wanted desperately to see him break the home run record.

The judicial system shouldn't deal with this because it's not serious enough? Justice doesn't work that way.

At this point, it's almost unbelievable to see how you're still trying to defend this man but that's your choice. Please, however, do not insult the intelligence of the people who are responding to you by pretending that you actually still believe all his denials.

And, in closing, once again I'd like to point out that I was able to have a reasonable discourse on this without resorting to insults or sarcasm.
Over 4 years and $1 Million to go after 1 man for lying. I know the feds don't like being lied to, but that is ridiculous and it just shows where are priorities are in this country. I can think of many crimes that are far more serious than lying. Lets start with murder. Lets move on to rape. We can go on forever down the crime list until we get to lying. In short, yes, lying can be serious, but it depends on what you are lying about. If you lied about murder, or rape or some other serious crime then I could totally understand. But lying about taking steroids? Sorry, it's not serious enough for me.

Secondly, I never insulted anyone's intelligence. I think there are evil undertones behind someone that hopes Barry goes to jail for lying. I didn't say he/she was evil. I was simply referring to the comment they made. It is an opinion, and I am entitled to it. I think I have been very civil in this thread.

And furthermore I did not appreciate when you said that I was pretending to believe Barry's denials. THAT is insulting. Or saying there are none so blind as those who cannot see. THAT is insulting.
 

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Over 4 years and $1 Million to go after 1 man for lying. I know the feds don't like being lied to, but that is ridiculous and it just shows where are priorities are in this country. I can think of many crimes that are far more serious than lying. Lets start with murder. Lets move on to rape. We can go on forever down the crime list until we get to lying. In short, yes, lying can be serious, but it depends on what you are lying about. If you lied about murder, or rape or some other serious crime then I could totally understand. But lying about taking steroids? Sorry, it's not serious enough for me.

Secondly, I never insulted anyone's intelligence. I think there are evil undertones behind someone that hopes Barry goes to jail for lying. I didn't say he/she was evil. I was simply referring to the comment they made. It is an opinion, and I am entitled to it. I think I have been very civil in this thread.

And furthermore I did not appreciate when you said that I was pretending to believe Barry's denials. THAT is insulting. Or saying there are none so blind as those who cannot see. THAT is insulting.
So you think that the police should not arrest anyone for lesser crimes? I mean, come on, why report to the stolen vehicle call when there is a 3-year old unsolved rape case you could be spending more time on. And why even bother with speeders at all? Is there really a crime there? Let's wait until they kill someone first and then arrest them.

So let me get this straight - you know he's guilty of cheating and lying and you just don't care? You know, just for the record.

I'm not a "baseball" fan. The only baseball I watch is an occasional River Cats game and I really enjoy it, but only because it's cheap and local. If the Bay Area teams are in the World Series I might try to watch as well. Given that, even I can't stand what Barry is about. I can't imagine someone who loves the game can turn a blind eye to Barry's antics and whitewash his degradation of "America's sport". And it's not just Barry, but he's just the most obvious case because of his chasing of the record and obvious lying about it. He turns himself into the lightning rod and then wonders why lightning strikes....
 
#30
You hope he goes to jail for lying? Are you serious? That is sad if you wish a man's family life to be torn apart because of a lie. Unless you are some devout christian, you have probably lied in your life. It's not like he lied about a serious crime. He lied about taking cookies from the wrong cookie jar. There are much more serious crimes that the judicial system should be dealing with.

I could understand if you didn't like the guy, and therefore didn't care if he when to jail. But don't you think hoping he goes to jail is a bit much? Seems kinda evil to me.
Let's not get it mixed up here. It's not what he lied about. It is who he lied to.