Barnes Waived.

[OptimusRhyme]

Knicks Waive Barnes, 3rd December, 2005 - 3:36 pmPress Release - New York Knickerbockers President of Basketball Operations Isiah Thomas announced today that forward Matt Barnes has been waived.

Barnes, 6-7, 225-pounds, averaged 4.3 points and 4.0 rebounds in six games for the Knicks. The Citrus Heights, CA-native was originally signed as a free agent on Oct. 6, 2005. [READ]


I think you know what to do Petrie.

 

[jacobdrj]

Let's go over the facts:
He was WAIVED by the KNICKS...

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

In large part because Brown pretty much decided that he wouldn't play him anymore; since when did you start agreeing with Larry Brown.

The one (and only) reason that I might be hesitant to sign Barnes is because of the kids; we already know what Barnes can do, and he'd be very welcome with our anemic bench... but, if we sign Barnes, Garcia can pretty much kiss his minutes goodbye for the rest of the year.

 

[kingsfannPDX]

i'm with LB on this one.

 

[Ryle]

Kings could have signed him in the offseason but they didn't. Don't see them signing him now.

 

[funsc]

anyone knows what's going on with Barns? He was a starter under LB at the start of the season and had been playing aggressively.

 

[jacobdrj]

Well, as far as I know, LB doesn't make personel decisions in NY any more than he made them in Detroit. Come to think of it, Isiah Thomas does... not better... ok, but still, to be waived by such a poor team...

 

[Kings113]

I still say we sign him. From watching him in pre-season and early on with the Knicks, the guy has improved his game, and would no doubt help our bench.

Barnes was put on the inactive list the Wednesday before the Knicks/Kings game, was taken off for that, then put back on.

 

[VF21]

At this point, Barnes might be just what the doctor ordered to get some enthusiasm and experience coming off the bench. We do have an open roster spot, right?

I'd do it, for a variety of reasons.

 

[Kings113]

At this point, Barnes might be just what the doctor ordered to get some enthusiasm and experience coming off the bench. We do have an open roster spot, right?

I'd do it, for a variety of reasons.

Yeah, we have 13 guys.

Not my idea (read it off the Kings R-GM board), but just to throw it out there, what about sending Martin down to the DL and have Barnes and Garcia back up the 3 and 2?

I personally wouldn't mind it.

 

[VF21]

Could we have this thread WITHOUT it becoming another bleeping discussion about Martin and/or Garcia???

Geez...

Bringing Barnes onboard at this time could be just what Martin and/or Garcia needed to see what coming off the bench should really be about. If anything, I'd send Price to the DL...and leave Sampson inactive.

 

[Kings113]

Could we have this thread WITHOUT it becoming another bleeping discussion about Martin and/or Garcia???

Geez...

Bringing Barnes onboard at this time could be just what Martin and/or Garcia needed to see what coming off the bench should really be about. If anything, I'd send Price to the DL...and leave Sampson inactive.

Just thought I'd mention it, found it interesting was all.

 

[VF21]

Interesting? Maybe in about 400 other threads. It's pretty tiring, if you want my honest opinion.

I'm continually amazed by the total lack of anything resembling patience some people are willing to show our young players. They aren't going to be perfect; they're going to make mistakes. I'd be more worried about the overly cautious player who NEVER made a mistake...

I really think/hope we can talk about possibly acquiring Barnes without having it turn into another retread discussion about Kevin or Cisco. The two issues are not indelibly entwined.

 

[hrdboild]

I think bringing back the hometown kid would be a great way to improve the bench right now (one of the worst in the league currently) and add a little good mojo to a what's been a mostly negative season so far. (huge losses to New Orleans and New York, Peja with his pinky, arena deal still not likely, etc.) Martin and Garcia have been given plenty of time to show what they can do so far. At some point winnings got to be a priority too -- and the current bench production is not going to cut it.

 

[VF21]

I think bringing back the hometown kid would be a great way to improve the bench right now (one of the worst in the league currently) and add a little good mojo to a what's been a mostly negative season so far. (huge losses to New Orleans and New York, Peja with his pinky, arena deal still not likely, etc.) Martin and Garcia have been given plenty of time to show what they can do so far. At some point winnings got to be a priority too -- and the current bench production is not going to cut it.

Exactly!

But we don't need to lose Martin or Garcia or move them to the DL in the process. I actually think Matt could be a good influence on both of them.

 

[Warhawk]

A little more competition never hurt anyone, right?

 

[startingtohurt]

I really think/hope we can talk about possibly acquiring Barnes without having it turn into another retread discussion about Kevin or Cisco. The two issues are not indelibly entwined.

i think if we bring in barnes, it directly effects how we use martin or garcia...so the two ARE related. bringing barnes in would effect the minutes or either player which needs to be discussed in order to choose if it would be the best option for the team. barnes will be a good addition...we couldnt do any worse than we're doin now, right?

 

[VF21]

I'll agree that acquiring Barnes would affect the PT of Martin/Garcia. What I was referring to - probably ineffectively - was the idea that we'd have to get rid of one of them to get Matt.

 

[Fillmoe]

if we got barnes im almost 100% sure martin would be moved to the d-league....

 

[VF21]

Whatever.

 

[SacDoug]

Who on the active roster would move to the inactive roster to make room for him?

 

[SacTownKid]

Could we have this thread WITHOUT it becoming another bleeping discussion about Martin and/or Garcia???

Geez...

Bringing Barnes onboard at this time could be just what Martin and/or Garcia needed to see what coming off the bench should really be about. If anything, I'd send Price to the DL...and leave Sampson inactive.

Actually bringing Martin/Garcia in to the conversation is completey appropriate, considering if we did sign Barnes we would have to sit one or the other for Matt to get any minutes.

But my question is would Matt even be willing to come back if another team wanted him too. We shouldn't have passed on him in the offseason to begin with!

COME HOME MATT!!!

 

[VF21]

SacDoug - The point is, the way the rules are, you can put a different player on the inactive roster virtually every night. So one night it might be Price. Another night it might be Martin, although I honestly don't see it happening. I could actually see Corliss on there more than one of the youngsters.

The thing is we don't know. We might even see Price go to the DL. The thing is I personally believe Matt Barnes might be the emotional spark the team needs right now to get things going...

 

[VF21]

Actually bringing Martin/Garcia in to the conversation is completey appropriate, considering if we did sign Barnes we would have to sit one or the other for Matt to get any minutes.

Did you read the whole thread? As I said above, I'm not referring to playing time for Martin/Garcia, I was talking about the comment that wanted immediately to make it about sending Martin to the DL, which pretty much duplicates ANOTHER thread about Kevin Martin the same person started...

It's just a little frustrating to me to see people so ready to dump on the kid before giving him a fair chance to prove what he can be to our team.

 

[SacDoug]

I forgot about Price. He would be the logical choice there.

Picking up Barns would be nice. The question is, would the Maloofs want to pay double his contract to get him.

 

[SacTownKid]

Did you read the whole thread? As I said above, I'm not referring to playing time for Martin/Garcia, I was talking about the comment that wanted immediately to make it about sending Martin to the DL, which pretty much duplicates ANOTHER thread about Kevin Martin the same person started...

It's just a little frustrating to me to see people so ready to dump on the kid before giving him a fair chance to prove what he can be to our team.

Thats what I am saying though. If we were to sign Matt back then Martin would most likely be taken out of the rotation completely. I would rather have him playing ball instead of watching it from the bench like last year. Sending him to the Dleague may be a good alternative. Let him develop at his own pace.

 

[hrdboild]

if we got barnes im almost 100% sure martin would be moved to the d-league....

What? Why Martin? Price and Sampson should go before Martin. I'd like to see Samspon getting some minutes just to see if he could be a shotblocking option for us, but if Rick's not going to play him, there's no point in having him on the bench. Price is never going to be in the rotation so long as Hart and Bibby are healthy. I like his potential but again, what's the point having him on the bench doing nothing? He should be sent to the D-League I think so he can actually get some play. There's no way Martin gets sent down with guys like Price and Sampson on the roster not even playing.

Barnes knows the team so he'll be ready to contribute right away. Do you want to play your young guys so that maybe you'll win more later on or do you want to win now? It's not like this is a lottery team. Picking up Barnes is a real easy way to improve the team right now. That he's a Sacramento native and would love nothing more than to play on the Kings makes it a no-brainer. I'd actually be a little disappointed in the Kings' front office if this doesn't happen.

 

[Ryle]

I think bringing back the hometown kid would be a great way to improve the bench right now (one of the worst in the league currently) and add a little good mojo to a what's been a mostly negative season so far. (huge losses to New Orleans and New York, Peja with his pinky, arena deal still not likely, etc.) Martin and Garcia have been given plenty of time to show what they can do so far. At some point winnings got to be a priority too -- and the current bench production is not going to cut it.

Herein lies the problem.......with Adelman determined to play Peja 40 minutes a night regardless of his production where do you think Barnes is going to get his time?? I'm all for signing him but he does everything that the Kings don't want.....he hustles, he plays defense and he rebounds......that alone gets him relegated to the bench.

I'm for sending Peja somewhere and rotating both Garcia and Barnes at the 3(ASSuming we sign him). I really think the "core" of this team should be SAR, Bonzi and Bibby and then put role players around them.

 

[hrdboild]

Actually, I suppose there is an argument for sending Martin to the D-League if it's playing time that he needs. The question I have with that logic though is whether being the star on a team full of borderline NBA scrub types is really the development he needs to improve as a player. You could point to D-League success stories like Bobby Simmons as a precedent, but I think his break-out year last year had more to do with getting a chance as a full-time starter. In any case, I think Martin has shown enough in the time he's gotten so far this season to justify keeping him in the rotation and letting him get his experience that way.

 

[Kings113]

Interesting? Maybe in about 400 other threads. It's pretty tiring, if you want my honest opinion.

I'm continually amazed by the total lack of anything resembling patience some people are willing to show our young players. They aren't going to be perfect; they're going to make mistakes. I'd be more worried about the overly cautious player who NEVER made a mistake...

I really think/hope we can talk about possibly acquiring Barnes without having it turn into another retread discussion about Kevin or Cisco. The two issues are not indelibly entwined.

Again, it wasn't my idea, I just thought I'd mention it. Since it would indeed be a possibility if we signed Matt (DL or inactive, I'd think the former though), and it'd still benefit the team. That's why I found it interesting.

Not to stir up conversation about Martin "sucking" or "he's worthless". I've never "dumped" on Martin. That's just ridiculous, the guy's been in the league one year and is just starting to get some PT this season.

Regardless, want to see Barnes back in Sac!

Actually bringing Martin/Garcia in to the conversation is completey appropriate, considering if we did sign Barnes we would have to sit one or the other for Matt to get any minutes.

COME HOME MATT!!!

Barnes knows the team so he'll be ready to contribute right away. Do you want to play your young guys so that maybe you'll win more later on or do you want to win now? It's not like this is a lottery team. Picking up Barnes is a real easy way to improve the team right now. That he's a Sacramento native and would love nothing more than to play on the Kings makes it a no-brainer. I'd actually be a little disappointed in the Kings' front office if this doesn't happen.

Exactly.

Herein lies the problem.......with Adelman determined to play Peja 40 minutes a night regardless of his production where do you think Barnes is going to get his time?? I'm all for signing him but he does everything that the Kings don't want.....he hustles, he plays defense and he rebounds......that alone gets him relegated to the bench.

Matt has also improved his offensive game pretty well. As I posted about during pre-season and early on this season from watching the Knicks. He didn't get relegated to the bench when he was with us, he started getting minutes at a similar time Mo did.