Barnes canceled - Now looks like Robinson isn't coming either.

also makes me wonder what if a team is lying to a player and doesnt draft them as promised. will petrie go back on his word of not drafting a player that he hasnt worked out like? if beal, barnes or robinson drop to us but hasnt worked out with us what will petrie do?
 
There's four teams drafting above us -- taking Davis out of the equation, three teams can't give a "we'll pick you if you're there" promise to four different players. Well they can, but obviously they can't all follow through. I don't know which agents are bluffing here, but I wouldn't rule out a final hour workout for Robinson, MKG, or Barnes in Sacramento right before the draft. Beal seems pretty safely in the top 4 after the Washington deal. I think they take him no matter what if he's on the board or Cleveland does if they pass for some reason. It's still hinging on what Charlotte does and they're dragging their feet a bit on these workouts.
 
steelevt said:
. will petrie go back on his word of not drafting a player that he hasnt worked out like? if beal, barnes or robinson drop to us but hasnt worked out with us what will petrie do?
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These top prospects have to have been heavily scouted through-out the entire year.

So even if they don't come for a work-out I don't think Petrie will hesitate in drafting any of these guys if he likes them.

This isn't a mid-1st round pick where you have a lot of different players who could be good and you're trying to find the best fit. By now, Petrie should definitely have a sense of BPA when it comes to the 2-6 players, of which we know we'll get to choose between 2 of them.
 
Uncia03 said:
These top prospects have to have been heavily scouted through-out the entire year.

So even if they don't come for a work-out I don't think Petrie will hesitate in drafting any of these guys if he likes them.

This isn't a mid-1st round pick where you have a lot of different players who could be good and you're trying to find the best fit. By now, Petrie should definitely have a sense of BPA when it comes to the 2-6 players, of which we know we'll get to choose between 2 of them.
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I think it's more like he should have a great idea of bpa when it comes to the 2-5 guys, one of whom which will be available at our pick. This draft seems pretty black and white at this point... we're taking whoevers left between Barnes, Beal, Robinson, and MKG. All signs are pointing to MKG right now and I think that's who fits us best anyhow.
 
Uncia03 said:
These top prospects have to have been heavily scouted through-out the entire year.

So even if they don't come for a work-out I don't think Petrie will hesitate in drafting any of these guys if he likes them.

This isn't a mid-1st round pick where you have a lot of different players who could be good and you're trying to find the best fit. By now, Petrie should definitely have a sense of BPA when it comes to the 2-6 players, of which we know we'll get to choose between 2 of them.
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Exactly. I for one, hope that these workouts don't influence much of our decision making with regards to the pick. It's more of a time to get a feel for certain guys, see how they handle an NBA workout, if they listen well, etc.
 
I'd sure like to see us bring MKG in for a workout with all the other top prospects turning us down. Do the math, guys! You can't all go top-4.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I'd sure like to see us bring MKG in for a workout with all the other top prospects turning us down. Do the math, guys! You can't all go top-4.
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Yeah, but I bet they are all hoping Sacramento doesn't pick them. Maybe they're operating under the out of sight, out of mind theory. :p
 
kennadog said:
Yeah, but I bet they are all hoping Sacramento doesn't pick them. Maybe they're operating under the out of sight, out of mind theory. :p
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Eh, I think it is more of they all want to be top 4 picks. I am quite positive the one who is still there at 5 will want to be picked up rather than drop even further.
 
There are 5 players that want to go in the top 4. They're going to do the best they can to get a promise in that range or at least make it look like they have a promise. I mean look at this garbage! Any time a player cancels the articles get released left and right that so and so has a promise! That puts pressure on teams in the top 4 to either contact that player and in turn make a promise if they want them and so on. It's all games people.
 
roasthawg said:
These guys aren't working out for teams below us either... nbd I don't think. Looks like we're gonna get MKG!
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Not quite true. Barnes worked out for the Raptors (#8). And you're correct that Robinson didn't work out for anyone below the Kings.
 
As mentioned in another of these threads, Petrie has previously gone on record stating he would not draft a player whom he did not workout. My gut tells me Petrie and our FO have tried getting some of the top guys in here but they're staying away for whatever reason. I highly doubt Petrie is comfortable, or should I say prefers, not working out Barnes, MKG, Beal or Robinson.

Does it mean he wouldn't pick one if there at 5? Of course not. I'm not proposing it has any bearing on whether we pick a player or not. But I do think it's probable agents are steering their clients away from Sac, and it isn't simply that everyone already has a promise.
 
I hope the Maloofs have someone reading this forum. Maybe they would get a clue as to why people don't want to come here. The owners are crazy! One little $200,000 payment would have the arena on track and most ball players like playing in great arenas and not **** holes sponsored by a company that sells junk that is a scam.
 
Robinson and Beal are very talented but are the ones that seem to fit here the least so I'm kind of glad to hear that they are signaling that they'll be gone by 4. Still hoping most for MKG first, Drummond second.
 
rainmaker said:
As mentioned in another of these threads, Petrie has previously gone on record stating he would not draft a player whom he did not workout. My gut tells me Petrie and our FO have tried getting some of the top guys in here but they're staying away for whatever reason. I highly doubt Petrie is comfortable, or should I say prefers, not working out Barnes, MKG, Beal or Robinson.

Does it mean he wouldn't pick one if there at 5? Of course not. I'm not proposing it has any bearing on whether we pick a player or not. But I do think it's probable agents are steering their clients away from Sac, and it isn't simply that everyone already has a promise.
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wait, so we havent worked out MKG? i thought we did?
 
rainmaker said:
As mentioned in another of these threads, Petrie has previously gone on record stating he would not draft a player whom he did not workout. My gut tells me Petrie and our FO have tried getting some of the top guys in here but they're staying away for whatever reason. I highly doubt Petrie is comfortable, or should I say prefers, not working out Barnes, MKG, Beal or Robinson.

Does it mean he wouldn't pick one if there at 5? Of course not. I'm not proposing it has any bearing on whether we pick a player or not. But I do think it's probable agents are steering their clients away from Sac, and it isn't simply that everyone already has a promise.
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The more I read about these workout cancellations the more I am convinced we will trade down and draft a player that has worked out for us and try and dump some salary in the process.

I think there is a far chance you will see us trade with Raptors where we trade #5 to them with a bad contract (eg Salmons) and we get pick 8 and pick Henson or Jones.

Petrie won't draft someone he has not worked out. It is not about evaluating talent. The workouts are more about getting the feel of player's personality than skillset. I get this feeling that MKG would be willing to work out for us and if he is there we will pick him but if he tells us to go jump, I am just about certain we will trade the pick
 
SacTownKid said:
There are 5 players that want to go in the top 4. They're going to do the best they can to get a promise in that range or at least make it look like they have a promise. I mean look at this garbage! Any time a player cancels the articles get released left and right that so and so has a promise! That puts pressure on teams in the top 4 to either contact that player and in turn make a promise if they want them and so on. It's all games people.
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Right, though I think there are six that want to go in the top four. I don't think anything changes, two drop to us and we will pick who we want out of the two.
 
i get the feeling like these guys dont really want to play here but will do so if they absolutely have too, perhaps they have heard that petrie doesnt pick guys he doesnt workout so they are rolling the dice.

lets face it, along with the bobcats we are the worst destination for players in the entire league. (at least they have a new building!)
 
Personally I think you guys are blowing this thing way out of porportion. It isn't as though the Kings are that horrible. I mean would you rather play for the Bobcats, the Wizards, or the Hornets than the Kings? Your not being coached by one of the Maloofs, and your still going to get paid, regardless. I don't think the players get that involved in the politics of the thing. Most just want to step on an NBA court and play, along with having a big payday. Petrie has always had a good reputation around the league, especially when it comes to treating players right.

Now I agree that the players agents are the one's making most of the decisions right now. And I know some of the agents don't like the way the Kings operate in secrecy. But lets not see what we want to see. I do think some of the players have gotten promises. Its not that unusual. But one is going to slide to us, and I think Petrie will take that player if he likes him as the BPA, whether he's worked him out of not. As I said in another thread, Petrie has already seen all these guys in real games. And that holds more weight than a workout. Especially a single workout like they had with Drummond.

If MGK or Robinson or any of the top players slide to us, and Petrie likes them, he'll pick them. Thats the reality of it. All the other stuff is just smoke and mirrors.
 
pshn80 said:
Right, though I think there are six that want to go in the top four. I don't think anything changes, two drop to us and we will pick who we want out of the two.
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Davis, Robinson, MKG, Beal, and Barnes. Drummond says he doesn't care at all what spot he goes and he has worked out with a number of different teams (including us) outside of the top 4.
 
vikinginferno said:
Davis, Robinson, MKG, Beal, and Barnes. Drummond says he doesn't care at all what spot he goes and he has worked out with a number of different teams (including us) outside of the top 4.
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Drummond has only, and will only work out with the top 6.... he stopped at Portland.

In the Portland interview he did, he said he had a good work out and really liked the 2 teams he's been to so far, us and them.. then was going back east for Wash, Charlotte and Cleveland and that was it.
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
If we do end up with Robinson, JT is more than likely gone
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JT is a better PF right now and is still on the upswing, not to mention Robinsons post play leaves alot to be desired to say it nicely. JT can play C & PF as well I would rather Keep JT which I think we will even if Robinson is the pick.
 
upinsmoke said:
JT is a better PF right now and is still on the upswing, not to mention Robinsons post play leaves alot to be desired to say it nicely. JT can play C & PF as well I would rather Keep JT which I think we will even if Robinson is the pick.
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You don't think the cost cutting fix isn't in by the penny pinching Maloofs?? The way I see it...draft Robinson if he's there, let JT go to save about 3-4 million a year, and then they throw Robinson in the starting lineup and we're back to square one with a unproven rookie as a starter again, along with not having an NBA quality starting SF, more than likely telling Smart to play Tyreke out of position and being lost there...thus leading to losing more games and less attendance, in thinking they could use that as leverage for relocation.
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
You don't think the cost cutting fix isn't in by the penny pinching Maloofs?? The way I see it...draft Robinson if he's there, let JT go to save about 3-4 million a year, and then they throw Robinson in the starting lineup and we're back to square one with a unproven rookie as a starter again, along with not having an NBA quality starting SF, more than likely telling Smart to play Tyreke out of position and being lost there...thus leading to losing more games and less attendance, in thinking they could use that as leverage for relocation.
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They can only cut costs so much. I believe that they have to use 85% of the cap or they get penalized.
 
sidney said:
Robinson and Beal are very talented but are the ones that seem to fit here the least so I'm kind of glad to hear that they are signaling that they'll be gone by 4. Still hoping most for MKG first, Drummond second.
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This is pretty much my mindset as well
 
steelevt said:
also makes me wonder what if a team is lying to a player and doesnt draft them as promised. will petrie go back on his word of not drafting a player that he hasnt worked out like? if beal, barnes or robinson drop to us but hasnt worked out with us what will petrie do?
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Absolutely, he will go back on his word!
 
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