B. Miller at the 4 Spot???

[uptempo-kings]

I can't remember what season it was but webb was injured and vlade was still around at the 5, anyway when we played 52 at the 4 spot he had tremedous success an all star appearance a career year, so my question is if the guy is better of at PF why does the kings ignore this and play him at the 5? do you think its worth another try to load brad back at the 4 and put justin willams at the 5, hey it could work, b. miller still has good passing skills a nice touch behind the arc, a nice mid range jumper, nice flopper not as good as vlade but it'll do, and with jwill backing him up at the 5 that would clog the paint up a little bit its better then having kt an undersized pf in the starting line up, i think this could work out, if not what do we have 2 lose???

 

[John Galt]

I think Miller at PF is a good thing, but I think lots of guys are getting carried away about Justin Williams.

Yes he has some hops and I like him, I really truly do. But ... he is BARELY in the league at this point so the expectations that he is starting NBA center material seem a little, well carried away.

If we could trade KT + Artest or KT + Bibby for some stud nba center, then yes I believe Brad could be poductive in a lineup like that. But with Justin and Brad as our starting frontcourt I would probably just cut my wrists.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Center Power Forward, whats in a name... Brad is most usefull up at the elbow where he can distribute the ball or make teams pay for not sending out a true 7 footer to gaurd him. Hence he claim that he is better at the 4. I jus don't see Williams ready to start in the NBA but as match up stratagy it's not half bad to run on occasion while giving the kind some much needed/deserved min. But then you are putting Reef and K9 both on the bench (assuming the Kings don't dump one or both of them) and that prety well asures your entier bench will be undersized even in the Shire league.

Bottom line is some trades have to happen and are pretty well inevitable. I personally will wait untill at least preeseason before considering potiental line ups.

 

[uptempo-kings]

i was just trying to piece up a line up with what we got but if we were to trade for a stud center, i would like eddie curry, good soild inside presence, shot blocker and a good post player, but you're probably right about jwill, but we don't have much to work with. so we have to work with what god... i mean petrie gave us.

 

[Jerichoholic]

I would love for Miller to move back to the PF, he seems more comfortable there, he did when Vlade was here, he even did when Ostertag was in. The problem is that you need a true center to take pressure off of him and Justin Williams doesn't have the size or strength to be a center right now.

 

[Gary]

Williams isn't big enough to be at the center position unless we were to go REAL small. That wouldn't include putting Miller at the PF pos. I still think Williams would be better suited playing PF anyway..

If Williams was to develop into a 7-10ppg, a 9-11rpg, 1-2bpg guy (30 minutes a night) than we could start him at the PF, and not really have to worry about production (points per game wise) if we had a surrounding cast that could get the job done. Look at what Miami did with Haslem. I seriously think if Williams was in Miami that his stats would be better than Haslems. I bet Miami would even be a better team than they are now. Maybe not by 5 games, but at least a couple games.. The only thing that worries me about a guy like Williams is that he is a bit too aggressive, and gets into foul trouble easily. We would need a decent backup playing PF/C if we were to start Williams, because he would probally only get in about 25-30 minutes before fouling out.

 

[SacTownKid]

I think Miller at PF is a good thing, but I think lots of guys are getting carried away about Justin Williams.

Yes he has some hops and I like him, I really truly do. But ... he is BARELY in the league at this point so the expectations that he is starting NBA center material seem a little, well carried away.

If we could trade KT + Artest or KT + Bibby for some stud nba center, then yes I believe Brad could be poductive in a lineup like that. But with Justin and Brad as our starting frontcourt I would probably just cut my wrists.

Well that "barely in the league" guy managed to put up nearly 5 rebounds and 5 points in 12 minutes a game!

 

[CaminoChaos]

Well that "barely in the league" guy managed to put up nearly 5 rebounds and 5 points in 12 minutes a game!

That was going to be my point. The guy is a rebounding monster that contest everyshot and is great on the offensive glass. He runs the floor extremely well. Alot of the people say he is not ready. Considering what he does you could make the same arguement about Ben Wallace.

 

[ParniValjak]

Well that "barely in the league" guy managed to put up nearly 5 rebounds and 5 points in 12 minutes a game!

Towards the end of the season when good teams are preparing for play offs and easing off the workload of their main players or when bad teams are tankgin bad.

Every year we see so many all star kids towards the end of the season only to not even give a yelp the next year.

Justin is a good role player, athletic, energetic, good rebounder and a shot blocker. Something we need but he is not a starter in this league. Not by a long short. Its arguable whether he is a regular rotation bench guy just yet either but there is something to work with there no doubt.

 

[CaminoChaos]

Towards the end of the season when good teams are preparing for play offs and easing off the workload of their main players or when bad teams are tankgin bad.

Every year we see so many all star kids towards the end of the season only to not even give a yelp the next year.

Justin is a good role player, athletic, energetic, good rebounder and a shot blocker. Something we need but he is not a starter in this league. Not by a long short. Its arguable whether he is a regular rotation bench guy just yet either but there is something to work with there no doubt.

Same could be said about Ben Wallace. And I would start him in a second.

 

[Amory]

I am all about putting Miller at the 4 or maybe even having him come off the bench to play point-power forward.

No more of this Center thing.....he gets pwned by all the centers out there. Made Jerome James look like a stud.

 

[uptempo-kings]

I am all about putting Miller at the 4 or maybe even having him come off the bench to play point-power forward.

No more of this Center thing.....he gets pwned by all the centers out there. Made Jerome James look like a stud.

lol! MAN, i don't know why the kings haven't move him back 2 the 4, he just seems way more comfortable at PF and more highly motivated.

 

[uptempo-kings]

i think everyone on the board should email the front office to have brad back at 4 just like we did for our black jerseys.

 

[ParniValjak]

Same could be said about Ben Wallace. And I would start him in a second.

Errr...... NO!

How can you possibly compare the 2?

 

[SacTownKid]

Towards the end of the season when good teams are preparing for play offs and easing off the workload of their main players or when bad teams are tankgin bad.

Every year we see so many all star kids towards the end of the season only to not even give a yelp the next year.

Justin is a good role player, athletic, energetic, good rebounder and a shot blocker. Something we need but he is not a starter in this league. Not by a long short. Its arguable whether he is a regular rotation bench guy just yet either but there is something to work with there no doubt.

Now you're just really doing a diservice to Justin and the hard work he put in from day 1 since making back to this team. He was playing the same way he was at the end of the season his very first game against the Knicks! Actually in limited minutes during preseason he showed just as much.

 

[SacTownKid]

Errr...... NO!

How can you possibly compare the 2?

How can you not! They basically provide the same positives and negatives on the court. Now you obviously can't put Justin up against Big Bens large list of accomplishments, but as far as comparisons go this one would be pretty accurate.

 

[Bricklayer]

How can you not! They basically provide the same positives and negatives on the court. Now you obviously can't put Justin up against Big Bens large list of accomplishments, but as far as comparisons go this one would be pretty accurate.

Um...sure. In much the same way that comparing Brian Cook and Dirk Nowitzki might be accurate. Stylistic only. The gulf in talent and what/how you should use them or rely on them is immense.

P.S. As an aside, I like Justin. He brings things I thinnk msot of your bigs shiould bring. But this sudden thing where every guy who specializes in rebounding and blocking shots in Ben Wallace is just not realistic. I think maybe its been so long since we've seen such a beast that we've lost all ability to discern between the various levels of them.

 

[ParniValjak]

Um...sure. In much the same way that comparing Brian Cook and Dirk Nowitzki might be accurate. Stylistic only. The gulf in talent and what/how you should use them or rely on them is immense.

Exactly my point!

 

[SacTownKid]

Um...sure. In much the same way that comparing Brian Cook and Dirk Nowitzki might be accurate. Stylistic only. The gulf in talent and what/how you should use them or rely on them is immense.

P.S. As an aside, I like Justin. He brings things I thinnk msot of your bigs shiould bring. But this sudden thing where every guy who specializes in rebounding and blocking shots in Ben Wallace is just not realistic. I think maybe its been so long since we've seen such a beast that we've lost all ability to discern between the various levels of them.

And what is the problem with that!? When discussing a players TALENTS and ABILITIES Justin does indeed provide the same intangibles a player like Ben Wallace does. I don't think anyone is saying Justin is Ben Wallace! But logic suggests that Justin's ceiling would be pointed in that very direction.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Intangibles like leadership? Williams provides that?

 

[uptempo-kings]

justin is a good role player, a stud? ben wallace? i dunno watching justin guard the nba elites, he really couldn't lock down on the centers of the nba, with a quick spin move centers would get around him and lay up or dunk at free will, however i think he may improve his talent with some more size, and hardwork in the gym, timing he will be alright, but ben wallace comparsions, no, no way! hes well...justin willams

 

[tyrant]

brad miller sucks whether its playing the 4,5,6,2,10;doesnt matter. and justin williams can play center. no one has the right to say what someone cant and can do. but until he gets in the weight room, he's probably a better help defender at this time.