Aside from draft picks petrie does everything wrong!

Oh and as I stated earlier in this thread, I want a big talented team:) I just give Nellie his credit as a Hall Of Famer. I follow the Warriors as well as the Kings so I know that Latrell wrote on the bottom of his shoe. I know Nellie Failed by not being mature enough to get along with Webb. I know he played him at the 5 and I know Webb was Rookie Of The Year that year.

Anyway I'm not adding anymore to this thread:)
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The only thing I would like to say about this thread is this: for pretty much all of last year I heard that that Kings needed a scrappy, low usage SF who can play defense and contribute in areas besides scoring and shots taken.

They then went out and picked up a scrappy, low usage, SF (who can actually play a little at the 4 spot) who can play defense (really well. everything from his simple STL and BLk numbers to his advanced Defensive Ratings says he is a way above average defensive player who's only getting better) and contribute in areas besides scoring and shots taken. The fact that he has a contract that's almost negligible is a bonus. I don't think you could have come up with a better match for need-to-skillset than that signing.

Complaining about it because Johnson is a "no-name" is asinine. Regardless of how tall the rest of the team is.

Of all the heat Petrie gets and deserves, trading for James Johnson to play the 3 is definitely not a reason to complain.
 
TrappedinRoseville said:
The only thing I would like to say about this thread is this: for pretty much all of last year I heard that that Kings needed a scrappy, low usage SF who can play defense and contribute in areas besides scoring and shots taken.

They then went out and picked up a scrappy, low usage, SF (who can actually play a little at the 4 spot) who can play defense (really well. everything from his simple STL and BLk numbers to his advanced Defensive Ratings says he is a way above average defensive player who's only getting better) and contribute in areas besides scoring and shots taken. The fact that he has a contract that's almost negligible is a bonus. I don't think you could have come up with a better match for need-to-skillset than that signing.

Complaining about it because Johnson is a "no-name" is asinine. Regardless of how tall the rest of the team is.

Of all the heat Petrie gets and deserves, trading for James Johnson to play the 3 is definitely not a reason to complain.
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Sounds good to me.
 
Bricklayer said:
He drafted Webber and wanted to make him a center. Young Webb was not amused. Then he lost him by being an *******. What Nelson was was the best judge of little man talent I have ever seen, and its not even close. And the worst judge of big man talent, and its again probably not even close. The irony was that Don Nelson, Nellie, smallball loving Nellie, would ALSO tell you that big guys, big shotblockers, were a huge key. He spent his entire NBA career trying to chase after onr to play for him, but was simply a godawful judge of big man talent and his junkball system neutralized much of what they could bring him anyway. So he loaded up on Alton Lister and Paul Mokeski and Randy Breur and Manute Bol and Les Jepsen and Ralph Sampson and tried to join Ewing and the Knicks and then went to Dallas and grabbed Shawn Bradley and Raef LaFrentz and Erick Dampier and DeSagna Diop, and came back home and then it was Andris Biedrins. Point being people who like to deny the value of height/shotblocking can't even find an ally in the ultimate smallball master. He knew that if you are going to run midgets around on the court in a junked up system you damn well better have somebody back there to cover for them. He just had no ability to evaluate the right somebodies.
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Nelso picked Nowitsky; Petrie picked J-Will. I think Nelson knew talented big men when he saw them.
 
Kingster said:
Nelso picked Nowitsky; Petrie picked J-Will. I think Nelson knew talented big men when he saw them.
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Dirk was not a big man in any normal sense. The skillset Nelson evaluated was the same one he always evaluated with his little players.

There were reasons why he never won anything.
 
Bricklayer said:
Dirk was not a big man in any normal sense. The skillset Nelson evaluated was the same one he always evaluated with his little players.

There were reasons why he never won anything.
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Look, I'm not a fan of Nellie ball. But to say he never won anything is a bit of a reach. He's the all time leader in the NBA with 1,335 wins. Now if you want to say he never won a championship, you'd be dead on. And, if you want to say he's not the leader in winning percentage, you'd be right again. But to say he never won anything, just isn't true...
 
bajaden said:
Look, I'm not a fan of Nellie ball. But to say he never won anything is a bit of a reach. He's the all time leader in the NBA with 1,335 wins. Now if you want to say he never won a championship, you'd be dead on. And, if you want to say he's not the leader in winning percentage, you'd be right again. But to say he never won anything, just isn't true...
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I doubt anybody seriously misunderstood what I meant by saying he never won anything. During the last TWENTY years of his coaching career he made it to the Conference Finals 1 time. One. And that year the only reason he made it was because he ran into us, and Webb blew out his knee. Ronald Reagan was the President the last time he coached a team that was serious, or was a serious coach. Otherwise it was all just for show.
 
Bricklayer said:
I doubt anybody seriously misunderstood what I meant by saying he never won anything. During the last TWENTY years of his coaching career he made it to the Conference Finals 1 time. One. And that year the only reason he made it was because he ran into us, and Webb blew out his knee. Ronald Reagan was the President the last time he coached a team that was serious, or was a serious coach. Otherwise it was all just for show.
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I didn't misunderstand you but I object to your "win nothing"comment. You may not hold Nelson in high regard but I do, even with his "smallbal".
 
In a world where GMs think that the ONLY viable alternatives for a franchise are to be 'title contenders' or to 'bottom out completely so the rebuilding process takes a fraction of the normal time,' someone like Don Nelson will never get the credit he probably deserves.

Being 'somewhat competitive' is absolute poison these days.

So... a coach whose best skill was the ability to play a creative style that allowed a group of mismatched parts to win more games than was expected ...? Don Nelson might not even be employable if he were to show up in the NBA these days. He'd be just good to make sure your group of bottom feeders won 'too many' games and would end up on the fringes of the lottery or _even worse_ in the playoffs as an 8 seed.

But he wouldn't be good enough to win a title.

It's a different set of criteria that we judge things by in today's NBA and Nelson's strengths and his approach just doesn't fit in anymore. So he's judged more harshly
 
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