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just so no one gets confused those are not really facts.
Reggie Hire Facts
A couple of things here.................
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Shaw was a role player. that happened to be on STACKED teams that won rings. you could have replaced him with a million other players and those teams still win titles. Reggie was an All-Star and again has his name in the record books with some of the best ever.
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Phil Jackson has been lucky enough to have two of the greatest combos in basketball history. Phil helped them for sure, but I think Phil is way overrated. Like Greg Pop umm hes got Tim Duncan! in fact his team is STACKED with talent right now and has had much more talent than other coaches ever get to work wit. I would love to see Phil or Pop coach a avg team. So Shaw working under Phil in my mind helps but doesnt make or break anything.
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Does holding a clip board and sitting courtside, wit about 5 or 6 other coaches at NBA games, really prepare you for being a head coach? compaired to BEING a head coach and having to manage your team from the ground up?(on the college level) its true that college coaches struggle wit wanting to much control and not being able to adjust to the nba players. But almost all these coaches were not in the NBA for 13 years. and didnt command the respect that a Record holding, 2 time All-star would. OH SNAP!
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Reggie was going to end up back in the NBA at some point as a Head Coach. He was interviewed and considered by other teams this year. He was going to come back. He also had a good thing going on the college level. Why would he throw that away to be just another guy holding a clip board. Dont forget Muss was a great Lead Assistant and an up and coming one at that.
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Most people outside of our sacramento frenzy LIKE this hire. Petrie was obviously not ever down with Muss and the way things went down last year.
I watched the press conference last year and this year. and I totally didnt have the same feeling as last year. Petrie is down with Reggie, end of story!
Welcome Reggie !
-Magic Johnson and Bill Russell were far more accomplished than Reggie as a player, yet had a hard time getting the respect and attention of this generation's players. Those are two of the 10 (possibly 5) greatest players of all time and have 16 championships between them. Obviously, whatever it is that commands respect from players doesn't neccessarily come from what that coach previously accomplished as an NBA player.
-Of course Musselman wasn't Petrie's #1 choice. His #1 choice was to keep Adelman. He suggested Musselman to save the Maloofs the utter embrassment of hiring Whisenant and having to fire him 20 games into the season (and it would have been a huge embarassment).
Reggie Theus is our new coach--period. We will never know how he was selected; all articles read can be interpreted many different ways. We all know who supports the coach, owners and team and who just can't move forward. Really--the whole Petrie/Maloof thing is getting really boring. How many ways can you say the same thing? Annie.
Magic well is just magic. I never thought he was that smart of a player. I think it was just so natural for him and he was so gifted, talented, skilled and Huge 6'9 Point guard ! also he was more a player leader than a coaching leader.
it actualy doesnt matter how good of a player they were as long as they played on the NBA level. thats the main point.
my point about shaw goes back to something someone else had said about shaw winning rings. it was luck. being at the right place at the right time for him. I also mentioned that being with Shaq and Kobe doesnt mean that he experenced awesome coaching. I think Phil is overrated same wit Pop.
This whole debate over experience seems silly. Debating about whether role players are more likely to become good coaches.
Look it all depends on the person. Some guys have it and some dont, end of story.
Take Rudy Tomjanovich. The guy never sat on the bench in his life and all of a sudden the Rockets hire him to run their team and two years later they win the championship. He had zero experience as a coach on any level
You guys are micro-analyzing this way too much.
So the Maloofs just buy into any bozo that gives them an inspiring speech? This sucks, I wanted Shaw so bad. He would've been perfect and my boy Petrie liked him. Well at least a positive is that Petrie is impressing me so far this offseason even though he didn't stick to his guns on this one. Dammit.
I rather doubt that. The following simple plot fits much easier than wishy washy Geoff getting stars in his eyes over a used car saleaman's self promotion, or of Geoff suddenly reverting to the level of a fan and giving a flying hoot about Lakerism:
Petrie wanted Shaw because he was a basketball guy. The Maloofs wanted Reggie, because he was like, pretty and stuff.
The Maloofs put on the full court press, Petrie saw which way the wind was blowing, and Geoff folded his cards rather than stand in direct defiance of the owners and risk his position over Shaw. Neat, tidy. Geoff ends up with misgivings, but gets on board and hopes for the best.
I'm just burned out on the sudden rash of Nevada connections.
Uh Brian Shaw has won championships as a player and he's been mentored by one of the greatest coaches in NBA history.
My best guess is they did not want to bring back anyone from the Adelman era.
Reggie Theus is our new coach--period. We will never know how he was selected; all articles read can be interpreted many different ways. We all know who supports the coach, owners and team and who just can't move forward. Really--the whole Petrie/Maloof thing is getting really boring. How many ways can you say the same thing? Annie.
He's got a point ^.This whole debate over experience seems silly. Debating about whether role players are more likely to become good coaches.
Look it all depends on the person. Some guys have it and some dont, end of story.
Take Rudy Tomjanovich. The guy never sat on the bench in his life and all of a sudden the Rockets hire him to run their team and two years later they win the championship. He had zero experience as a coach on any level
You guys are micro-analyzing this way too much.
Reggie Theus is our new coach--period. We will never know how he was selected; all articles read can be interpreted many different ways. We all know who supports the coach, owners and team and who just can't move forward. Really--the whole Petrie/Maloof thing is getting really boring. How many ways can you say the same thing? Annie.
Since we are unlikely to ever know the facts about what went on, what in the world would constitute satisfaction "one way or the other?"You're right! He is our coach period. And we'll deal with it and give him the benefit of the doubt. But the whole Petrie/Maloof thing as you put it is not yet boring to some of us. Many of us smell a rat. Maybe we're wrong...Maybe not. Let it play itself out till we are satisfied one way or the other. There is a lot of solid points on both sides. If you're bored with it, don't bother with it.
The EXACT same sentiments could have been, and I'm quite sure were, made about Muss last year. Saying Petrie has not distanced himself is a straw man. Obviously as the GM he is never going to distance himself from a coach being hired, no matter who it is. The day he does choose to do so, will be the day he has one foot out the door.
And the Maloofs were involved last year too. Mama and Gavin and Joe and the whole gang. Apparently still have not, and presumably with their egos, never will figure out that if their GM says that so and so is the best basketball hire, they should say "ok". Not sit there and lsiten as some old crook croaks in their ears about how they should be making all the decisions.
Personally I think WAY too much is being made of the decision on the Coach
Guy. Maloofs finaly realiszed it was rebuild time so ANY young couach used to working with young players developing tallent would do for the time being, so why not get a guy with PR cred as well?
Of course I will give Coach Guy* a break and let him do his thing this season regardless of who's deceision it was to hire him. All I care about is what he does with the young tallent and how he manages what ever passes for a team this season.
* In Viet Nam US troop causalties were heavest among new recruits leading to a phenomonon where troops would wait untill a guiy had been incountry for 3 months before calling him by name. I'll learn Coach Guy's name in his second season.
My bigger concern is, will Reggie hire prevent trades? At least publicly, Reggie talks about getting Ron and Bibby on board, and how, getting equal value for them will not be possible. While true, this displays a win-now mentality, which is good/required of a coach. The owners and GM however, need to think long term. Right now, we can only hope they have a plan they agree on.
Or they are trying to drive up their value a little bit by saying that the down year was the coach's, not the player's, fault and we can still use these guys effectively. We are not desperate, so it you want them - pony up.![]()
Also, as I mentioned previously (another thread?), they are on the team right now. They are the players we need to prepare with. If you publicly call a guy out as being trade fodder or dump on them, how do you think they feel? Whether they get traded or not, keep the guys feeling happy and wanted. No reason not to at this point.
Just that I hope that the owners, front office and coach are on the same page.