TXSactoFan
G-League
I havent been able to watch most of the games after artest came to town. initially there was a lot of praise for artest regarding his leadership role. is he still active in that role, even when he is struggling?
Artests Leadership/"Franchise" (merged)
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SacKings384
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Unfortunately I feel that he is trying TOO hard to be in that leadership role... As you can read in the second to last page of the Kings vs. Wizards game thread. Right now there is no leadership among the Kings. Nobody to tell Bonzi NOT to punch the ball in the air, nobody to tell Kenny to shut up, nobody to get the team to play with heart, nobody to get the ball moving. What I have also found is Ron is getting burned on defense as well. He was guarding Butler when he caught fire and absolutely torched us. Worse yet, he was guarding Billy Thomas as well... I just don't see the same laterall quickness I used to see. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, but Ron wasn't that fast to begin with, and now he isn't moving fluidly at all. He gets beat off the dribble constantly. I honestly don't know what's up. Add that to the fact that he's shooting 38% as a member of the Kings, and it's very troublesome.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
TXSactoFan said:
Less active I think, and I think that's part of the problem. His initila leadership really surprised me. Most pleasantly. But it was a leadership born of strength and (over)confidence. Now he's suddenly become "lost", has lost his own game, perhaps lost some confidence in his teammates, and all of a sudden when you are going 4-20 its very hard to step forward and lead. Honeymoon's over. My hope would be that if Ron can sort out his own game he can start tryign to buck up everybody else once again, especially as the playoffs approach.
SacKings4Life21
Bench
Is ron really fit for "Franchise"
I'm able to free people up, create those double and triple teams. And even if I take a bad shot, I look at myself as if a Kobe (Bryant) or a Tim Duncan or a Michael Jordan taking a bad shot. You live with it."
This was out of Sacbee... Does this upset anyone? I mean I am the biggest Ron supporter ever... but this rather bothers me. HE is a Defensive Juggernaut, not an offensive one... He is not an Offensive magician, he may be above average... he shoots terrible.
I guess we could look at that statement as him being a die hard leader, which we need... but hmmmm
I'm able to free people up, create those double and triple teams. And even if I take a bad shot, I look at myself as if a Kobe (Bryant) or a Tim Duncan or a Michael Jordan taking a bad shot. You live with it."
This was out of Sacbee... Does this upset anyone? I mean I am the biggest Ron supporter ever... but this rather bothers me. HE is a Defensive Juggernaut, not an offensive one... He is not an Offensive magician, he may be above average... he shoots terrible.
I guess we could look at that statement as him being a die hard leader, which we need... but hmmmm
Ron's going to get a lot of shots, that's just how it'll be. He's not going to stop taking jumpers/shooting because he's confident, and has shown many times he can make them. Agreed he should take a 3-4 less jumpshots though.
I think the last number of games, the over-long minutes have caught up to him. Along with not being in full shape.
I think the last number of games, the over-long minutes have caught up to him. Along with not being in full shape.
KingCookie
Bench
I don't know, but it's going to take more than 40 games and a better team surrounding him to truly be able to tell. I can only hope we at least get to hold onto him until his contract expires, just to really get a read on if he's going to work here or not.
shaka zulu
Bench
Dude is Delusional on the level where he thinks his game is, He doesn't have the offesnive skills to match none of the above players he named,In his mind he thinks offensively he's that Good,He needs to be Realistic he Dribbles in a Box and this why he's easily Defended when he takes the ball off the Dribble , He has really no lateral moves to the hole, No real shakes and bakes when he Drives to loosen up the Defender, His range is supect, He can post up weaker Defenders at the # 3 spot and he knows how to gauge the right time to pass out of the Double Teams, But he is insane on how he evaluates his Game compared to kobe and Duncan and the others he mentined. His leadership skill are questionableSacKings4Life21 said:
SacKings4Life21
Bench
ya he is not thinking clearly if he really thinks that he is that good... IF he had a very "go to" PF he would be even better
hoops4kings
Bench
He's trying to do too much and forcing up a lot of bad shots. He needs tp pass the ball out of double teams instead of trying to force something that's not there.
He might be a big reason that the ball movement as of late has completely stopped.
That's great that he wants to lead, but that doesn't mean killing your team with too many shots (and bad shots at that) for the sake of trying to make something happen.
He might be a big reason that the ball movement as of late has completely stopped.
That's great that he wants to lead, but that doesn't mean killing your team with too many shots (and bad shots at that) for the sake of trying to make something happen.
Kev.in
Starter
Right now I think his leadership efforts have fallen off a bit, just like his play has slipped. The whole team is in a funk right now, even if we have Vlade and Chris in their prime right now I don't know how you shake some of these guys out of whatever fog their minds have wandered into.
coolhandluke
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BK_KingsFan7
G-League
Well, thats Ron Artest for ya. He's all about himself and that's how it's always been. He was bound to show his true colors sooner or later and I think now that were losing the real Ron Artest is starting to come out.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
BK_KingsFan7 said:
Let me see if I've got this right -- Ron goes into a two week slump, and now its his lifelong selfishness coming out?
BK_KingsFan7
G-League
No stupid, Im talking about this quote here:Bricklayer said:Let me see if I've got this right -- Ron goes into a two week slump, and now its his lifelong selfishness coming out?
"I'm able to free people up, create those double and triple teams. And even if I take a bad shot, I look at myself as if a Kobe (Bryant) or a Tim Duncan or a Michael Jordan taking a bad shot. You live with it."
It's not just that, you can tell by his expressions and body language on the court that he's ready to lose control. He's starting to be more physical, not in a good way, he's pouting, he's slamming the ball down.
BK_KingsFan7
G-League
So someone tell him to take the ball in the post instead of jacking up threes all day. If he were missing easy shots it'd prolly be a different story but it's like he thinks he's Larry Bird all of a sudden and thats what pisses me off.BMiller52 said:
ForlornKing
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BK_KingsFan7 said:
Exactly.
ForlornKing
Starter
I also think it might be Adleman, trying to help mold him into becoming a three -point threat.
When the trade happened Ron was probably like, "I want to become a first option on offense"
and Rick would say "I can help you do that."
When the trade happened Ron was probably like, "I want to become a first option on offense"
and Rick would say "I can help you do that."
kingsfan52miller
Starter
if he becomes our first option for offense..were screwedForlornKing said:
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Pre-brawl stats from 04-05:
24.6 points
6.4 rebounds
3.1 assists
.496 FG%
.412 3pt%
That's MVP-caliber stuff.
24.6 points
6.4 rebounds
3.1 assists
.496 FG%
.412 3pt%
That's MVP-caliber stuff.
ForlornKing
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Hicks said:
I don't know about shooting hot.
SacKings384
Starter
I just can't believe that people have turned on this guy after what he's brang to the team. Sure he's forcing it right now, but he came in when this team was down in the dumps and playoffs wasn't even a question. Now missing the playoffs is seen as a massive failure, where as before it was just another day. You can't have your cake and eat it too... Don't praise him and talk about him helping the team when he plays well, and when he's off all of a sudden he's a ball-hog and he's going crazy. Every player that has come to Sacramento for me has come with a clean slate. Bonzi, KT, Ron, Jim Jackson, Webber, and others all came as palyers with "bad attitudes" and I have forgot about their past as should everyone else. Ron has done nothing to show that he's doing anything but trying to win.
kingsfan52miller
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i offically take back that comment...i panicked after the few bad games ron had..im glad he put his money where his mouth iskingsfan52miller said:
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