Artest Says "Kobe Will Get Shut Down"

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sanvara said:
That's nonsense. For example, if someone shoots 15-30 for 50% from the field that's one point per shot. Only a moron would claim holding a player to 50% shooting is shutting him down.

Ron had all sorts of double and triple team help on Kobe. He cannot guard Kobe without help.

Just to remind everyone, the topic of this thread is Ron vs Kobe, not the Lakers vs the Kings, the score of either of the last two games, or the standings. Those are topics for other threads.
Let me just say this, sanvara. And I've noticed you've pretty much stopped responding to my posts to pick apart others. Kobe is one of, if not the, best offensive player in the league. Ron is one of, if not the, best defenders in the league. No one man can shut down Kobe. No one man can be unaffected by Ron. But ultimately, you can't decisively argue who wins in a 1 on 1 matchup, because the game is 5 on 5. So ask Kobe Bryant if he got the best of Ron Artest, and he'll probably say, "No. They won." Ask Ron if he got the best of Kobe, and he'll say, "Scoreboard." That doesn't mean he had to limit Kobe to 10 pts. That doesn't mean he had to make Kobe shoot 3-17. The only thing we can conclude from this whole thing is that Ron had an effect on Kobe's offense, and Kobe failed to lead his team to victory.

And also, Kobe can shoot 95% for all I care (he didn't, btw)... that STILL doesn't mean that Ron didn't work him on the defensive end. It's more likely that Ron failed his task, but it's not guaranteed. Maybe, for instance, he was more selective with his shots, so he only made gimme baskets. Maybe he couldn't charge the lane as much, or couldn't control the tempo of the game. Maybe Ron was so busy helping his team WIN, helping out on Odom, etc., that sometimes he let Kobe get his. The stats are a good indicator, but they never tell the whole story. What does tell the whole story is that not only did Kobe not get his usual superstar stats... I guess one could argue he did pretty decently offensively (though I would argue nowhere near his best), but he failed to lead his team to victory, and, seeing how Kobe usually got his way without difficulty against past Kings teams, I have to attribute that mostly to Ron Artest.

QED.
 
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#62
sanvara said:
Ron did a good job with lots of help. He in combination with his teammates did not allow Kobe to go off and torch them like he did in the first meeting. The Kings playing at home had something to do with it as well. Credit where credit is due for playing good individual and good team defense on Kobe, but that's as far as it goes. This "Ron shut Kobe down" stuff is a bunch of nonsense.
Well good, we're in agreement then. It's actually a hell of a lot better to hear that the Kings played good team defense than to hear it was all Ron and four other lackeys. The Kings play good team defense, and it is Ron Artest who inspires them.
 

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#63
sanvara said:
That's nonsense. For example, if someone shoots 15-30 for 50% from the field that's one point per shot. Only a moron would claim holding a player to 50% shooting is shutting him down.
True, but that's not the case here. Your suggestion implies that the player shoots no free throws or 3-pt shots. Kobe did both, and padded his numbers in garbage time when the game was "over" (both his total points and shooting % ) with a couple meaningless 3's.
 

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I didn't read this thread until just now...

I'd like to share just a couple of thoughts:

As far as Artest's comments go, we don't have to be afraid of waking the sleeping giant, so to speak. Yes, Kobe will get points but he's not going to take us to the cleaners. That ship sailed...at least for that game. Kobe is still going to be one of the league greats but I think it's not going to be as much fun for him in Arco as he was saying it used to be.

;)

As far as the Laker fan who came here and wanted to argue about what a great job Kobe still did, I think thesanityannex summed it up the best with one word: SCOREBOARD.

Sorry, Laker fan, but your guy didn't pull the rabbit out of the hat. He scored less than his average AND he didn't walk out of OUR HOUSE with another win under his belt. Our guys did their job, took care of business and got the win. And that's all that matters...
 
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kingkung: I can agree with most of your points. Ron just makes himself look foolish bragging that he's going to shut a player down when no one player can do that. He needs double/triple team help to have an effect on Kobe's game. Isolate them on one side of the floor one on one and Ron get toasted 9 times out of 10. But the most stupid thing is the people out there that actually believe Ron himself can shut Kobe down. Maybe Ron needs to say things like that to motivate himself or maybe he thinks it adds to the entertainment value of the games to make outlandish statements like that. Who knows. Anyway, it was a good win for the Kings.
 
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VF21

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sanvara - The equine is deceased. I think you can quit beating it now.

We get it. You don't think Ron should brag and think he looks foolish. Well, of course you do. You're a Laker fan. To continue to come here and argue this point just makes YOU look foolish.
 
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BTW, according to FoxSports, Kobe scored a total of 17 points while being guarded by Ron Artest, including 7 of those coming at a time in the game where a win for the Lakers was out of reach. Shut down? I'd say so...
 
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SacKings384 said:
BTW, according to FoxSports, Kobe scored a total of 17 points while being guarded by Ron Artest, including 7 of those coming at a time in the game where a win for the Lakers was out of reach. Shut down? I'd say so...
Indeed, and was 2/8 in the 4th up to the point where he hit those two threes in the last minute.
 
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Sanvara-


Your comments, while well thought out, are very amusing. I would have expected this had the Lakers won......alas, they did not. End of story. Ron outperformed Kobe on both ends of the court. Too bad Kobe doesn't/can't guard Artest.
 

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In case people hadn't noticed, sanvara made the one post and then left...

I honestly think he's seeing how long he can string this out by making one silly post and having a bunch of us jump on it.

:)
 
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SacKings384 said:
BTW, according to FoxSports, Kobe scored a total of 17 points while being guarded by Ron Artest, including 7 of those coming at a time in the game where a win for the Lakers was out of reach. Shut down? I'd say so...
this is brilliant... i was waiting for this stat... ITs os true! My friend was mocking me but what ever. Kobe was handled. End pf story...

"I'm looking forward to seeing him," Carlisle said. "He's one of my favorite players I've ever worked with. I'm not looking forward to seeing him in an opponent's uniform."
 
#78
JJ22L said:
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Dang man, that really brings back memories. Good memories. There was nothing better than watching Artest hound some elitre-scorer all night.... Artested....

This was always my favorite