Artest for Nene??

[91sickness]

I found this on Espn.com in their NBA rumor mill...I thought I should share it with everyone here and see what people think.....

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/feat...ttp://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

Kings forward Ron Artest says his time in Sacramento has been as enjoyable as any he has spent in the NBA. Artest also says, though, that as he has looked around recently, he feels he won't be with the Kings much longer. "I look around our team, and I see the emerging young stars, and I don't get the sense that I'm going to be around," said Artest, who recently said he plans to opt out of his contract during the offseason. "I don't have a real commitment from the Kings, and it might just be time to move on. But for now, we want to finish out this season and try to make a run at the playoffs. I definitely feel like this is going to be either the last or next-to-last season with the Kings."
"I'm not the kind of guy who will have a problem playing in any specific city," Artest said. "I'll play anywhere I feel like I'm wanted." -- Sacramento Bee

The Kings are believed to have had recent discussions with Denver regarding Artest, and could possibly be pursuing forward Nene Hilario. When asked of the latest status of trade talks, Geoff Petrie said, "They say 'Where there's sparks, there's fire?' Well we're still at the stage where you're rubbing two sticks together."
Has the phone been ringing more, he was asked? "A little bit," he answered. -- Sacramento Bee

Petrie wouldn't share the exact details of his two recent conversations with Artest, although it seemed clear that it involved the probability that he'll be discussed in trades in the coming days and weeks. "I'm not going to go into the details of what we talked about necessarily, but I've always been very straight forward with Ron and that's the way it is with anyone," he said. -- Sacramento Bee

 

[=LarryLegend=]

if nene gets a clean bill of health, and can keep the weight off I am a fan.

 

[nbrans]

As someone who has been posting Nene trade proposals for the last two and a half years, needless to say I'm on board with this. Nene's health problems have been (as far as we know) temporary and unfortunate. He was AWESOME against the Spurs in the playoffs last year, and he's still young. This trade would take a lot of guts, but if Petrie pulls it off I'd salute him.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I like Nene starting with Mikki backing him up. mikki is a great role player.

 

[G_M]

As someone who has been posting Nene trade proposals for the last two and a half years, needless to say I'm on board with this. Nene's health problems have been (as far as we know) temporary and unfortunate. He was AWESOME against the Spurs in the playoffs last year, and he's still young. This trade would take a lot of guts, but if Petrie pulls it off I'd salute him.

I'm not sure how you trade for someone who has cancer. I understand that his type of cancer has a high cure rate but isn't that a real gamble? Given Artest's recent spat of nuttiness maybe it's less of a gamble than last year.

 

[Glenn]

Nene makes a millon a year more than Ron and has a contract that with a player option can extend to 2012. His stats this year are 6/6 with the year before 12/6.

We'd be better off letting Ron opt out or whatever he wishes. We trade our baggage laden best athlete for a guy who whose skill level is the equal of Mikki? Petrie better rub those sticks a little harder and try to generate smoke elsewhere.

As Petrie never announces a serious trade idea before it happens, I can't take this seriously.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I like Nene's potential still but his contract is too much for the risk involved.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

if he has to retire I think we could get an exemption for his salary...plus its a high risk HIGH REWARD. he has great footwork for a big fella.

 

[nbrans]

I'm not sure how you trade for someone who has cancer. I understand that his type of cancer has a high cure rate but isn't that a real gamble? Given Artest's recent spat of nuttiness maybe it's less of a gamble than last year.

From what I've read, given when they caught the tumor the cure rate is extremely high. I'd assume Petrie would do his due diligence before making the trade. And hopefully he won't use the doctor that looked at SAR's knee.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

Nene plays with to ball hogs, kings share the rock for the most part. melo and AI need the ball in their hands. I think he would have alot better numbers in a kings uni.

 

[KingsInBrazil]

I'm 300% for this trade and I'll say why...

100% cuz I really want the Kings to get rid of Artest and his attitude.

100% cuz Nenê is a great post player and someone wouldnt be dumb enough to compare him to Mikki Moore, hes like 6 years younger and has WAY more upsides than Mikki. Denver last year had 2 selfish players who NEEDED to score around 30 ppg to satisfy themselves and in my honest opinion thats why they didnt go further in the playoffs cuz they had a very talented team if they worked together. Nenê is stronger than Mikki and has better footwork and low post moves besides being a better defender. He had to "compete" for rebounds and blocked shots with the Defensive Player of The Year last season. Mikki has Brad Miller on his side.

and finally 100% cuz hes brazilian like me

do it Petrie! heartbeat!

 

[Rockmeister]

As I stated in another thread, I'm not for the trade. Sure, the Kings get rid of Artest, however, Neno is too much of an injury prone.

 

[dude12]

I like Nene's potential but people have been waiting every year for him to have a breakout year and it hasn't happened. He's athletic as all heck but as someone mentioned earlier, he's been injury prone. Also, looked overweight coming back from the knee injury. I've always thought he would fit in well within the Adelman offense or alongside Miller but the amount and length of the contract............I don't know. High-Risk, High-Reward indeed.

 

[kupman]

When asked of the latest status of trade talks, Geoff Petrie said, "They say 'Where there's sparks, there's fire?' Well we're still at the stage where you're rubbing two sticks together."
Has the phone been ringing more, he was asked? "A little bit," he answered. -- Sacramento Bee

This must be the most that GP has ever said about a potential trade to the media. I am actually a little shocked that he said this much.

 

[allrightythen]

This must be the most that GP has ever said about a potential trade to the media. I am actually a little shocked that he said this much.

Seriously, I was shocked he didn't say his usual "Ron is a King until he's not" or something like that. I mean he almost said they are looking to make a deal, or at least will be soon.

 

[kupman]

At least on paper, a line-up that contains AI, Carmelo, Artest and Camby looks pretty good.....especially defensively.

 

[Heuge]

Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players
Photo: Nene Hilario
Nene Hilario
Salary: $8,840,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 6.4 REB: 6.4 AST: 1.0 PER: 11.25
Photo: Eduardo Najera
Eduardo Najera
Salary: $4,952,380 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 6.1 REB: 4.8 AST: 1.1 PER: 11.86

Outgoing Players: Kenny Thomas, Ron Artest
Denver Nuggets

Incoming Players
Photo: Kenny Thomas
Kenny Thomas
Salary: $7,875,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 1.4 REB: 2.7 AST: 0.6 PER: 2.68
Photo: Ron Artest
Ron Artest
Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 17.8 REB: 5.6 AST: 4.1 PER: 17.01

Outgoing Players: Nene Hilario, Eduardo Najera

 

[bajaden]

Let me just throw out a thought. If your Petrie and lets say you really want Lee from the Knicks. However you have Thomas to deal with, who thinks that Artest is going to opt out at the end of the year, and you can basicaly sign him without giving up anything for him.

What do you do to move Thomas off of his spot. You make him believe that you have another deal in the works that will screw up his plan. Its very unlike Petrie to make public statements. He's very thoughtful about what he says. So, I think he's trying to generate some action on the part of potential suiters who have been dragging their feet. We'll see...

 

[joemama]

What this really boils down to is: Artest for Kleiza and Najera. I think as a second option ( a big maybe ) Artest for Nene and a draft pick. I don't think Petrie can pull off a Kleiza and Najera AND a pick.

Artest (6'7)-----Kleiza (6'8)

Kleiza dropped 41 on Utah on Jan 17th.

Klieza 12pt -4.5reb-25min- 46 fg% 33% 3's
Artest 18pt -5.6reb*38min- 43 fg% 33% 3's

Kleiza shoots better from the charity stripe and from the field.
Artest has much better steal and assist numbers.


I think with stats like that he could play some PF, cuzz where he's at a guy named Marcus Camby does a good job of gobbling them up.

Kleiza seems to be the Petriest (hehe) player. He's young (isnt' the rest of the team besides the bigs?) he can shoot *41 two weeks ago, he makes pennies this year and a team option to make pennies next year. Also, with Petrie talking to Artest twice reccently something seems more imminent. Because all this Nene talk would have to at least wait until he gets back out on the court, meaning nonimminent.

 

[KingsInBrazil]

Let me just throw out a thought. If your Petrie and lets say you really want Lee from the Knicks. However you have Thomas to deal with, who thinks that Artest is going to opt out at the end of the year, and you can basicaly sign him without giving up anything for him.

What do you do to move Thomas off of his spot. You make him believe that you have another deal in the works that will screw up his plan. Its very unlike Petrie to make public statements. He's very thoughtful about what he says. So, I think he's trying to generate some action on the part of potential suiters who have been dragging their feet. We'll see...

Nice observation, but I'd still prefer Nenê over David Lee, and with the trade mentioned above, (Artest + K9 for Nenê + Najera) we could finally get rid of Kenny F. Thomas and still get an expiring contract back... and for God sake, no freaking Kleiza.. enough wing players! Geez! Kleiza would never play PF, hes a shooter, nothing else... and that we have enought already...

Ron Artest + Kenny Thomas for Nenê Hilário + Eduardo Najera already
pull the damn trigger Petrie!

 

[dude12]

Let me just throw out a thought. If your Petrie and lets say you really want Lee from the Knicks. However you have Thomas to deal with, who thinks that Artest is going to opt out at the end of the year, and you can basicaly sign him without giving up anything for him.

What do you do to move Thomas off of his spot. You make him believe that you have another deal in the works that will screw up his plan. Its very unlike Petrie to make public statements. He's very thoughtful about what he says. So, I think he's trying to generate some action on the part of potential suiters who have been dragging their feet. We'll see...

A good observation about Petrie. I was also surprised to see him make the comments he did in the paper and it your post makes sense. I guess its a way of putting pressure on a few teams potentially. Another thought is that maybe there are no offers coming in or just very bad offers and he's anticipating no move being made and he's going into spin control proactively.

 

[Kingzrool]

No thanks on Nene. Ron is cheaper, better and expires sooner.

 

[Showtime]

Nene makes a millon a year more than Ron and has a contract that with a player option can extend to 2012. His stats this year are 6/6 with the year before 12/6.

We'd be better off letting Ron opt out or whatever he wishes. We trade our baggage laden best athlete for a guy who whose skill level is the equal of Mikki? Petrie better rub those sticks a little harder and try to generate smoke elsewhere.

As Petrie never announces a serious trade idea before it happens, I can't take this seriously.

I agree . He's locked up to 2011 getting paid between 8 and 11 mil a season. Is he a 10 mil a year player? I don't think so.

I thought the kings were trying to clear cap space to land a big FA in the next two seasons, so why take on another long term overpaid contract? Hasn't Kenny Thomas taught the team anything? Ron comes off the books after this season, so why try to get Nene with a bad contract?

 

[Jechtsphere]

I'd say yes if his contract wasn't for so long.

 

[Smills91]

The only way I can see the Kings doing this deal, mostly financially, is if the Nuggets take Kenny Thomas and give back Najera.

Artest/Thomas

for

Nene/Najera

Artest/Najera have, for all intents and purposes, the same contract

Thomas though has one less year on his deal than Nene, thus overall benefitting the Nuggets salary situation.


As far as talent Artest >>> Nene and Thomas = Najera.

Kings basically turn Kenny's salary slot into Nene(with 1 more year) and the Nuggets get a player who could perhaps throw them into the top 4 mix or so in the WC.

 

[nbrans]

^I can't see the Nuggets going for that unless we kick in someone like Garcia. Otherwise it's a total wash for them. The appeal of the Artest/Nene trade for the Nuggets is that if it doesn't work they can walk away and get closer to being under the luxury tax. Thomas for Najera negates that advantage for them, and so they're going to want more out of the trade if we're trying to include Thomas in the deal. Not to mention the fact that Kenyon Martin + Thomas = $21 million of broken power forward.

And frankly, Artest is a crazy person with half a season left on his deal. Artest for Nene straight up seems like a bit of a stretch as it is. This is no time to get greedy.

 

[Heuge]

TAs far as talent Artest >>> Nene

Unfortunately, that is just not true. artest value is about the same as Nene at this point, maybe less even.

 

[kupman]

I agree . He's locked up to 2011 getting paid between 8 and 11 mil a season. Is he a 10 mil a year player? I don't think so.

I thought the kings were trying to clear cap space to land a big FA in the next two seasons, so why take on another long term overpaid contract? Hasn't Kenny Thomas taught the team anything? Ron comes off the books after this season, so why try to get Nene with a bad contract?

I am 180 degrees away from you. I would do this trade in a heart beat. Pack Ron's bags and drive hime to the airport in Grants words. Nene is not worth 8-10 now, but the potential is there. He is a strong, 6'11" PF ('bout freakin' time we had one)....he might not work out, but I would be willing to see how it works out.

 

[VF21]

I'd rather keep the "evil" we know than take this kind of gamble.

 

[bajaden]

Nice observation, but I'd still prefer Nenê over David Lee, and with the trade mentioned above, (Artest + K9 for Nenê + Najera) we could finally get rid of Kenny F. Thomas and still get an expiring contract back... and for God sake, no freaking Kleiza.. enough wing players! Geez! Kleiza would never play PF, hes a shooter, nothing else... and that we have enought already...

Ron Artest + Kenny Thomas for Nenê Hilário + Eduardo Najera already
pull the damn trigger Petrie!

I have to admit that getting rid of KT is very attractive, and might be enough to push me over the edge. Long term, Nene probably has more potential than Lee. However, Lee seems to be a very durable player and Nene has had nothing but problems since he was drafted. If the trade is just Artest straight across for either Lee or Nene, I'd have to take the safe route and go with Lee.