arent you glad?

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arent you glad that we didnt actually resign bonzi?

taken from espn dailydime on the 6th of dec:

Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy continues to be vague about the status of offseason pickup Bonzi Wells, who's been inactive for the last 14 games. Van Gundy said Wells had a recent hamstring injury, but gave little more explanation why Wells hasn't been playing. "The less I say, the more likely it is to come to a positive conclusion," he said.

seeing how bad things are going at the moment, thought this might cheer some of you guys up........ well just a little bit
 
I'm sure Bonzi and his wife are having problems with dealing with the $ Bonzi lost this offseason and being at a cross roads in his career. He has been battling injuries as well and just signed with Houston so that was a big adjustment as well. I'm sure he is kicking himself for lot signing with the Kings for the $ GP offered him which was the highest on the table.
 
I certainly wouldn't want Sac to have to deal with the problems surrounding Bonzi and his stay in Houston...

That said, I think if he'd re-signed here things would have remained positive as they did last year. I sure wouldn't mind having a healthy Bonzi coming off the bench here.

Aside from Artest, this team is extremely short on toughness.
 
Well its now or never for Bonzi, Van Gundy's giving him one "last shot effort" before he gets kicked off to the curb.

http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2006/12/bonzis_last_shot.html

Bonzi's last shot

Hey, look who's back. I skip one day of practice and let Fran get out of the house, and Bonzi Wells pops up. Was it something I said?

Bonzi will get a shot soon. And, Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy said, it will be his "last shot."

Now that was fast.

Actually, JVG finally admitted that Wells was not put in the witness protection program solely to get in good enough shape to get in shape to play NBA basketball. That might be how his time in the cardio room started, but there have clearly been clashes since.

"I don't think it's any secret that Bonzi and I have struggled to find common ground," Van Gundy said.

Well, we all assumed but Van Gundy left it at Wells status was unchanged.

But about a week ago, it did change. Wells called Van Gundy and said he really would like to play some basketball. Van Gundy said he would give it some thought and by Friday, a day before Tracy McGrady was seized by back spasms, Van Gundy opened the door a crack.

By Sunday, it was agreed that they give it a "last shot." On Monday, Wells practiced with the Rockets.

Here is how we got this far:

Wells showed up for training camp terribly out of shape, saying it was because he did not want to work out while unsigned and was slowed a bit by last season's groin injury.

He missed nearly five days of training camp because of a root canal, missed another five days, for personal reasons, missed another day (the day before Thanksgiving) because of personal reasons and then was late returning to Houston after Thanksgiving when he waited for that Friday morning and his flight was delayed.

A few days after Wells was late, Van Gundy mentioned that they had 'many, many multiple" meetings, which we assume did not always go so well. Given Bonzi's conversation after his two-game cameo (you might recall it going something like "nah" and "nah"), it seems safe to assume he was not happy with how things were working out and in some way or another had made that position clear.

This is not the first time that a coach wanted to banish Wells to another part of the building as Van Gundy did. The Grizzlies couldn't wait for the playoffs to end to show him the door. Maurice Cheeks, all kinds of class, suspended Wells for his behavior.

But as much as Wells can be self-centered and, obstinate, overtly concerned with his playing time and touches, is that he doesn't play that way. He passes. He does the dirty work. He plays hard. If he doesn't, the "final go" as Van Gundy called it, will be long gone.

This is a team that is remarkably selfless. I've seen teams get along incredibly well, but this one is as team-oriented as I've ever seen, I think from the influence of Dikembe Mutombo and Juwan Howard, veterans who have been stars and who now cheerily fill whatever role is needed.

This is what will be expected of Wells and whether it will work can go either way. But it is like games themselves. The "last shot" has no chance if you don't take it.
• • •

This should come as no surprise, but Tracy McGrady is out for the Lakers on Tuesday. He had said Saturday that he was confident, but he could not stand up straight at the time.

Keith Jones told Fran on Monday the same thing that he told me the day before, that McGrady was still "stiff and sore." I think we all would have been surprised if he was anything but.

The trick, of course, will be figuring out when he can come back. The Rockets have learned a lot about McGrady's back in the past year. They don't want to let him play too soon and risk more setbacks, though it is worth noting that he was in much better shape Saturday night than after last season's episodes.
• • •

Fess up time. I messed up a stat today. The Rockets are not fourth in point differential, they are second, behind only the Spurs who always seem to be first. I clicked, for reasons I can't imagine, on assists differential. (And by the way, since when are the Rockets fourth in assists differential?)

Still, second in point differential is pretty impressive. For a team thought to have blown many big leads and even a game or two, 14-6 and outscoring opponents by 6.4 points per game is a pretty good sign at the quarter pole
 
I wish Bonzi all the luck in the world. He's been given more "second chances" than most people get. I hope he makes the most of this one because if it doesn't work he may have to get a job at the nearest Burger King.
 
I am glad that we did not resign Bonzi.

Old news, over and done with. Not worth talking about anymore, but since noone else said it, I had to.
 
The continued activity in this, and threads to follow, will determine whether or not this topic is still worth talking about, not any individual poster.

I, for one, am unequivocably NOT glad that we didn't re-sign Wells.
 
I am glad that we did not resign Bonzi.

Old news, over and done with. Not worth talking about anymore, but since noone else said it, I had to.


Yep. I too am very glad we are a sub .500 suckfest pondering blowing up the team on a gamble that might REALLY blow up the team. Talent bleeds are cool!
 
The continued activity in this, and threads to follow, will determine whether or not this topic is still worth talking about, not any individual poster.

I, for one, am unequivocably NOT glad that we didn't re-sign Wells.


I'm with you on this one!

And, I honestly think that if we had resigned Bonzi right away, and if his d*mn agent & greed hadn't gotten in the way, Bonzi would be playing for the Kings and playing well. I don't think he'd be out of shape, I don't think he'd be disgruntled, I think he'd be making a ton of money playing somewhere he wanted to play.

But, hey, you know, you have to consider the domino effect. If we'd resigned Bonzi we might not have been able to afford Potapenko, and where would we be then?;)
 
Wells to miss more time; Snyder working way back

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2722386

Bonzi Wells, who has missed the past four Rockets games with a sore lower back, is scheduled to receive a second injection of anti-inflammatories Monday and will be out at least another seven to 10 days after that. The time away could potentially force Wells to miss his 11th straight game.
The injury-laden Rockets, still battling without the help of Yao Ming in the paint, cleared guard Kirk Snyder on Friday from a broken wrist. But Snyder will have another wait before he sees the court.
Snyder, who said he is having trouble holding on to the ball, was happy to have even taken Friday's step.
"I just want to go through warmups," Snyder said, according to the Houston Chronicle. "It's been a long time since I've been on the court. I haven't had an opportunity to compete. The guys have been playing, so we haven't had a lot of opportunity to compete. That's going to be the big question mark, when contact starts."
 
And, once again, you have to marvel at the apparent ability of Geoff Petrie to smell the milk going bad in the refrigerator at least a day before anyone else...
 
I like Bonzi, he was one of my favs even though he wasnt here long, but if he stayed i dont think Martin would have a real chance to blow up, though Bonzi is injured a lot, when he would come back Martin would be back to the bench.
 
And, once again, you have to marvel at the apparent ability of Geoff Petrie to smell the milk going bad in the refrigerator at least a day before anyone else...



Indeed. :rolleyes:

I mean only offering $36million for said "spoiled milk" was a stroke of genius. Query: what if he had said yes?
 
Or, what if he gave in to the $40+ million that some people around here said he should get?


Hmm...let me think about that. Maybe we are better than a 14-17 crapfest?


But if I bid $10,000 on a car, and get lucky when the guy next to me bids $11,000, I don't get credit for sniffing out a lemon. Just at most capping my risk.
 
Hmm...let me think about that. Maybe we are better than a 14-17 crapfest?


But if I bid $10,000 on a car, and get lucky when the guy next to me bids $11,000, I don't get credit for sniffing out a lemon. Just at most capping my risk.

How would we be better with Bonzi injured and awol?
 
How would we be better with Bonzi injured and awol?

It doesn't take too great a genius to figure out that Bonzi might very well NOT be injured and AWOL had things gone differently this summer. What we see now is a direct result of the mess this summer, for both parties.
 
It doesn't take too great a genius to figure out that Bonzi might very well NOT be injured and AWOL had things gone differently this summer. What we see now is a direct result of the mess this summer, for both parties.

I don't think we know that at all. Some of the problems stemmed from being overweight and from personal problems, things that may have happened anyway. If anything he has a great deal more financial incentive to play well this year than if he were just signed to a lucrative new deal.
 
I don't think we know that at all. Some of the problems stemmed from being overweight and from personal problems, things that may have happened anyway. If anything he has a great deal more financial incentive to play well this year than if he were just signed to a lucrative new deal.

The overweight thing stemmed directly from the contract situation -- can't play while you are a FA. He was a FA all summer. Personal problems = sheerest speculation, but not much of a stretch to suppose that could well be due to the disastrous summer, having to move to a new city for relative peanuts etc. And of course goes to the wrong coach for all that.

The only hesitation in Sacto was the fact we canned the coach who reached him.
 
The overweight thing stemmed directly from the contract situation -- can't play while you are a FA. He was a FA all summer. Personal problems = sheerest speculation, but not much of a stretch to suppose that could well be due to the disastrous summer, having to move to a new city for relative peanuts etc. And of course goes to the wrong coach for all that.

The only hesitation in Sacto was the fact we canned the coach who reached him.

You can't run on a treadmill when you're a free agent?? I mean, full contact might not be in the cards, but isn't a treadmill safe enough? An exercise bike? Diet pills???

I guess I'm more than a little shocked that you think the solution to this problem would have been to give Bonzi MORE money, when he is now showing his true colors -- a mercurial, talented head case who wore out his welcome everywhere he's gone. The Kings got the very best of him, but that's not Bonzi.

There is a precedent to what has happened with Bonzi -- look at DeShawn Stevenson. He and his agent misjudged the market, turned down the best deal he was going to get from Orlando, and he's now playing for peanuts in Washington. Only he's PLAYING. He didn't get overweight in the offseason, he didn't have a bunch of personal problems. He sucked it up, took less money, and he's playing. That's what sane people do.

The Kings dodged a bullet. Plain and simple. It gets worse every day for Bonzi and the Rockets and looks better and better in retrospect. I'm not trying to give Petrie all the credit -- Bonzi at $38 million would have been a disaster, and you're right that that was in the cards. Petrie got lucky. But it would have been even more of a disaster if he were making $45 million, as you want.
 
I think the original point Brick was trying to make in response to VF was that Petrie didn't have some tremendous foresight as some people on this board claimed but that he did offer a substantial contract which Bonzi happened to refuse. The fact that things with Bonzi then ended up ruining his prospects was only a situational matter, which for all intensive purposes would likely not have come about if Bonzi remained with the Kings. Thus, it seems ridiculous to praise Petrie for having some sort of foresight when he offered Bonzi significant money and it is unlikely that things would have developed in this way with Bonzi if he were a member of the Kings.
 
Hard to call the Bonzi situation. As other posters have pointed out there is no way of telling how Bonzi's attitude might have been improved by signing in Sacto, but given that he turned down offers from GP (via his agent) he may well have been jsut as disgruntled after the deal feeling he was underpaid. More improtant to me is the idea that I am just not sure how well Bonzi would have worked with Coach Muss. So in the end too much unquantifiable for me to be glad we did not sign him but I AM glad we are not dealing with the crap the Rockets are getting from him.
 
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