Arena vote status

[Greenspan 101]

Just for the record, does anyone have some sort of realistic/credible estimate of where the vote stands right now?

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

This should be in the 'New Arena' forum, as I'm sure it will be moved...but just for the record, it has little...well, NO chance of passing with nothing resolved on the MOU and everything else going on with the team, owners, coach, etc. Back to the drawing board.

 

[BigWaxer]

I see you corrected yourself Circa... It has no chance and will go a step further as I called it day one it came out. This measure was doomed from the start. With that said... it should at least lead to a better deal for both sides in the near future.

 

[VF21]

I see you corrected yourself Circa... It has no chance and will go a step further as I called it day one it came out. This measure was doomed from the start. With that said... it should at least lead to a better deal for both sides in the near future.

And your point?

Geez, BW. Had things not come up that just doomed these measures, you might be singing a different tune.

I don't really think we need any "I told you so" type posts. Nobody gains from that, do they?

 

[Amanjoy]

This should be in the 'New Arena' forum, as I'm sure it will be moved...but just for the record, it has little...well, NO chance of passing with nothing resolved on the MOU and everything else going on with the team, owners, coach, etc. Back to the drawing board.

It might be too late for back to the drawing board unfortunately... Right now, I'm thinking that the Maloofs are being too demanding and greedy, and are trying to do this so they can look like sacrificial lambs when they attempt to move this team by blaming the city! I've supported them for years, and I'm starting get really tired of their act. If only we could convince them to sell the team to the residents of Sacramento like the PAckers are owned by the city of Green Bay! I think then, and only then would the team be the run the way it should be!

I know I'm not normally so outlandish with my comments on this board, but this crap has gone on long enough, and frankly I miss the days when all that was discussed on these boards was KIngs basketball and only Kings basketball! There's just too much extra-curricular crap going on right now for my liking, and it's really bothering me!

 

[Greenspan 101]

And your point?

Geez, BW. Had things not come up that just doomed these measures, you might be singing a different tune.

I don't really think we need any "I told you so" type posts. Nobody gains from that, do they?

That is the reason that this site stands so high above other team fan sites of any sport. I'm not sure if the average moderator just doesn't have the energy to regulate what's discussed or if it's something else, but this site is generally upbeat without much finger pointing. Just about every other site has people ripping on each other and bashing [insert team] to the depressing extent that you'd swear T.O. was behind the keyboard. This is the only one I really even bother reading threads on anymore.

 

[VF21]

It might be too late for back to the drawing board unfortunately... Right now, I'm thinking that the Maloofs are being too demanding and greedy, and are trying to do this so they can look like sacrificial lambs when they attempt to move this team by blaming the city! I've supported them for years, and I'm starting get really tired of their act. If only we could convince them to sell the team to the residents of Sacramento like the PAckers are owned by the city of Green Bay! I think then, and only then would the team be the run the way it should be!

I know I'm not normally so outlandish with my comments on this board, but this crap has gone on long enough, and frankly I miss the days when all that was discussed on these boards was KIngs basketball and only Kings basketball! There's just too much extra-curricular crap going on right now for my liking, and it's really bothering me!

Your problem is, IMHO, you're paying way too much attention to jerks like R.E. Graswich and not enough attention to what's actually been said. The Maloofs have been stellar owners. I defy you to name one other owner - with the exception of Mark Cuban - who has shown anywhere near the amount of passion for their team the Maloofs have.

As far as too much discussion of the arena on this forum, you're in the NEW ARENA portion of the board. What do you expect to find here?

Sorry, but the new arena issue is part of being a Kings fan right now.

 

[jrahn]

You know what is funny, I live in Merced, Ca.and this last year our tax was raised from .725 to .775, which doesnt sound that bad. This november we are to vote on another tax increase in our county of HUGE unemployment. This new tax would raise up to .825. We in Merced county don't have much of anything to show for these increases. We dont even have more than 5 Movie theaters in the county and businesses go bankrupt left and right. To tell the truth when we had our first tax increase i didnt even notice that much at all, and that was a half cent increase. Sacramentans should be exstatic to have this opportunity for a entertainment facility.

 

[bringbackbobby]

It might be too late for back to the drawing board unfortunately... Right now, I'm thinking that the Maloofs are being too demanding and greedy, and are trying to do this so they can look like sacrificial lambs when they attempt to move this team by blaming the city! I've supported them for years, and I'm starting get really tired of their act. If only we could convince them to sell the team to the residents of Sacramento like the PAckers are owned by the city of Green Bay! I think then, and only then would the team be the run the way it should be!

I know I'm not normally so outlandish with my comments on this board, but this crap has gone on long enough, and frankly I miss the days when all that was discussed on these boards was KIngs basketball and only Kings basketball! There's just too much extra-curricular crap going on right now for my liking, and it's really bothering me!

You've got to be kidding me with this... Convince them to sell the kings to the city? That's a fantastic idea... then the kings can hold their games at the St. Johns Church playground when the roof of Arco falls in and there aren't any more "billion" dollar playboys around to guilt into picking up the bill. How long will the city-owned Kings last when they fail to turn a profit after a year... I'm sure tax payers would love to publicaly fund the Kings, which only benefits basketball fans, when they are frothing at the mouth to shoot down an entertaiment facility that would benefit all... Brilliant, let's draw up the legislation.

Once again I'm a bit embarrassed by the residents of Sacramento. All of that talk about "the greatest fans in the NBA" must be the joke of the rest of the nation when at the first mention of a .25 cent sales tax to support the team we are apparently so rabid about, we tuck tail and turn on the owners who have brought us eight straight seasons of playoff caliber basketball in an market in which the next big entertainment option is a minor league baseball team (no offense to the RiverCats as I appreciate having them here as well).

I'm not a business man... I haven't studied the Maloofs financial books with regards to the Kings, and can't say with any measure of expertise whether or not they can afford to pick up the tab on a new arena. It seems to me however, that if building a new arena out of Kings/Monarchs revenue did make good business sense against their bottom line, they would build it. They seem to want to stay here, they've been good contributors to the community, etc. etc., but they are businessmen when everything is said and done. If it makes more sense for them to pick the team up and move to an area that is more financially rewarding, they would be stupid not to do it. And furthermore, they shouldn't be vilified for it, especially when they are crucified in the media (and increasingly in the public) for not simply writing a 600 million dollar check because we (the residents of Sacramento) think we're entitled to it.

Arco does not support their needs. So far, it doesn't seem that it's financially feasible for the Maloofs to build a new arena for themselves, and as a result, this tax measure has been proposed to the city for not just an arena but an entertainment facility and some additional 500 million for police, fire, education etc. - we must ask ourselves then if it makes sense to OUR bottom line.

I say yes... it does. I'm not rich... I live paycheck to paycheck like many other people, but I also know that very few things worth having are free. I don't get to too many games (maybe one or two a year), but I enjoy watching them on TV and I do like having a team locally to support. It's one thing that everyone in the community can rally behind. Baseball we are devided into Giant's and A's fans... football we are devided between the Niners and the Raiders... Hockey - does anyone care about hockey? The Kings are all we have to come together on. To me, that is worth a few bucks a month against my bottom line.

However, that being said, I'll probably vote no on this deal if MSE and the City/County can't come up with an agreement on what it will actually look like, but it will pain me to do so. It wouldn't make sense to move forward with an arena if the Maloofs aren't on board (assuming you want the kings to stay - and I do). If we build the arena without their endorsement, they are then forced to either leave, eat the revenue from parking etc. that they are claiming they need, or build their own arena (right - 2 arenas in Sacramento)

If you don't care about the kings... and never leave the house to go to any kind of event that would require an arena - and don't care about revitalizing the eye-sore of the rail yards - and don't see any value in a unifying presence for all of us to rally behind.... then vote no.

If you support the kings but can't back an arena deal that isn't endorsed by the owners then vote no.

If you simply want the arena deal to fail because "you said it would from the beginning" and now want to gloat... don't vote at all - wait a few years until you gain the necessary amount of maturity.

If, they do come to terms and both sides agree on a MOU and whatever other kind of planetary items that need to align in order to get this thing done happens - and you think a few bucks a month is worth all of the benefits previously mentioned then by all means - vote yes.

Whatever you do though, don't vote no because of the so-called greed of the Maloofs. Don't vote no because you are bitter or jealous of their success. Don't vote no because you think they are being childish. These things are all the product of smear campains drummed up by people who stand to benefit politically if the measures fail. Prior to all of this hype on the arena, you couldn't walk from one end of the valley to the other and hear one negative word about the Maloofs... (with exception to the color choice of those "rabid fans" jerseys)

Lastly, enough about the commercial. It was meant to be funny, and sell hamburgers... that's it. If the people of Sacramento are going to base any part of their decision on a Carl's Jr. commercial, then we have bigger issues to be concerned about than we previously thought possible.

Thanks if you bothered to read the entire post... it was a long one.

 

[VF21]

Motaman - Exactly, although some local media want people to think the moving trucks are already warmed up beneath Arco, just waiting for the signal...

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However, that being said, I'll probably vote no on this deal if MSE and the City/County can't come up with an agreement on what it will actually look like, but it will pain me to do so. It wouldn't make sense to move forward with an arena if the Maloofs aren't on board (assuming you want the kings to stay - and I do). If we build the arena without their endorsement, they are then forced to either leave, eat the revenue from parking etc. that they are claiming they need, or build their own arena (right - 2 arenas in Sacramento)

If you don't care about the kings... and never leave the house to go to any kind of event that would require an arena - and don't care about revitalizing the eye-sore of the rail yards - and don't see any value in a unifying presence for all of us to rally behind.... then vote no.

If you support the kings but can't back an arena deal that isn't endorsed by the owners then vote no.

If you simply want the arena deal to fail because "you said it would from the beginning" and now want to gloat... don't vote at all - wait a few years until you gain the necessary amount of maturity.

If, they do come to terms and both sides agree on a MOU and whatever other kind of planetary items that need to align in order to get this thing done happens - and you think a few bucks a month is worth all of the benefits previously mentioned then by all means - vote yes.

Whatever you do though, don't vote no because of the so-called greed of the Maloofs. Don't vote no because you are bitter or jealous of their success. Don't vote no because you think they are being childish. These things are all the product of smear campains drummed up by people who stand to benefit politically if the measures fail. Prior to all of this hype on the arena, you couldn't walk from one end of the valley to the other and hear one negative word about the Maloofs... (with exception to the color choice of those "rabid fans" jerseys)...

Great post! I especially liked the part above. Thanks for taking the time to express what a lot of us feel.

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jrahn - First, welcome to the board! Glad to have you with us. If you haven't done so already, be sure and check out the Lounge and sign in with our Welcome thread!

I agree that people are placing way too much emphasis on the amount of the tax increase involved. But it's what the naysayers had to latch onto... lucky for them the whole thing was ill-planned and horribly promoted.

 

[JB_kings]

just for the record, if this measure doesn't pass, it does not neccessarily mean the end of the Kings in Sacramento.

True, but it also might be the last time that voters get a chance to have a say in the matter.
What if the next deal doesn't get to be judged by the public? What if it's a private deal where the money comes from rezoned real estate sales? Sounds great right up until you find out that general funds are used to guarantee the loan payback.
Sound farfetched? If it wasn't for a backout by a few property owners in Natomas, that may have been close to real. That's the trouble with a rumored private deals, the private side is no risk and the city has to assume the risk. You don't get to say yes or no - just hope that the rich man makes enough return on his real estate deals to keep the money coming.

 

[kennadog]

Voters always have a say in deals. By who they vote for. And the city and/or county could not guarantee any loan without a city council/board of supervisors vote, and any citizen who wants to be heard, can make themselves heard, prior to such a vote. There would be more than one hearing to do so.

Most people just can't be bothered to pay attention and be that active in democracy. Heck, we can't even get most poeple to bother to register, even though you can do it online and vote by mail.

Good post bringbackbobby. Thank you for taking the time to write it.

 

[Ms.Williams]

Awesome Post BBB, Totally Agree

 

[BigWaxer]

And your point?

Geez, BW. Had things not come up that just doomed these measures, you might be singing a different tune.

I don't really think we need any "I told you so" type posts. Nobody gains from that, do they?

Okay next time I will ask you ahead of time. To see if you approve of what I am thinking. Oh wait this is a message board, I followed the rules... I will post what I want.

It wasn't I told you so, Its the fact that just like the actual team and record so many of you are so un-realistic. This goes into politics and while I see most posts about people blaming this going down on voters not wanting to pay the tax. The fact is the loudest people against are not the anti-tax anything people. Its the exact opposite we need money for the SOCIAL program types. (which I don't get)

Reality needs to set in. This is a good first step, its a step were the Maloofs/city got to hash out a lot of the dirty details. Some still need to be done of course. I think we will see the arena end up in Natomas which I am fine with. Its going to take some more creative ideas vs just a general tax. I think in the end we could see a smaller general tax for a smaller amount of time combined with some other nuggets.

It wasn't I told you so its just the first major step and some optimism that this will eventually get done.