Are we trading Ron?

BawLa · Dec 25, 2006

I know it is BSPN, but they were talking about a trade with the clipps. Something rediculous like Artest for Magette. Obviously we won't go for that but I ask...

Would you trade Ron for a guaranteed 1st round pick + fillers?

Keep in mind the Clipps actually have a worse record than us so even if they turn things around, their pick will still be valuable.

supafly · Dec 25, 2006

I would but not with Clipper unless it includes EB or the first round pick.

QN

rumpled · Dec 25, 2006

BawLa said:

Hell yes! And twice on sunday. I think I'm all the way off the bandwagon now, just hoping to get rid of him before things get worse and hopefully get a halfway decent trade for him.

There's no way a team gives up a star or even potential star (probably) for him. Draft pick would be awesome though, I'd like that. I can live with it if we end up having to settle for MAggette because there's no better offers.

This team badly needs a little addition by subtraction right now. This season is pretty much all over but the lottery balls. We can add a piece or two and try to get the ship sailing smooth for next year.

Bricklayer · Dec 25, 2006

You know, injury questions aside I remian a bit baffled how/why people seem to have forgotten so quickly Maggette's back to back 20ppg seasons just two years ago. His 22.2pts in 04-05 was more than Mike has ever averaged, Ron has ever averaged (in a full season), more than Kevin is averaging now...in fact more than any current King has EVER averaged except for Shareef nearly a decade ago. I am a bit wary of picking up another former scorer in decline, but he's all of 27 and appears to be more held back by his coach than by the injuries. He's not an elevating type talent, but if he suddenly showed up in town he would have as much claim to #1 scorer status as anybody else on the roster.

NikateeN · Dec 25, 2006

I dont know much about Maggette,i havnt really focused on his game much, his PPG are kinda low, but hes comin off the bench isnt he?

Artest didnt get much time if this is really going to go down sometime soon, i was hoping to see more from him for a while to come, but things seem just too rocky with him, so i know a trade is probably for the better.

Bricklayer · Dec 25, 2006

Maggette = slashing physical specimen. Range isn't great, but a 20ppg scorer with minutes. Averaged 20.7 in 03-04, 22.3 in 04-05. Was injured for much of last year, and moved to the bench, and Dunleavy brings him off the bench now. Stiull goes 14.8pts in 26min, whihc means he's basically still scoring at a 20ppg pace, just fewer minutes.

Only concern I have is Derek Smith syndrome -- you see once 20 years ago we dealt with the Clippers for another OG/SF who had had a 20ppg season, and then missed the next one wiht a knee injury (ACL I think). Well, we made the trade, and he was never the same for us, never able to overcome the knee, struggled as a 15ppg scorer, and retired a few years later. Set us back.

Kev.in · Dec 25, 2006

I really like the way Corey Maggette plays on offense but trading Artest for him isn't going to make our Kings any better. Corey and Ron's contracts are almost identical, so maybe that's where this rumor is coming from. It's simple, convenient and makes sense when you look at the money so there's something to run with (for the media) because the front offices are pretty quiet right now.

nebs · Dec 25, 2006

There was a very uncomfortable looking interview with Ron yesterday by Mark Demsky. I caught it last night on Fox 40 and it was weird.

BigWaxer · Dec 25, 2006

Kev.in said:

And the fact Maggette is also asking for a trade... Said in another thread agree with Brick totally on this. I like Maggette... right now he is avg 14pts (not great) but he is not starting for some reason, looking at the games this year, I would say 95% of the time when he gets 30+ min he is scoring 20+ points.

King4Life · Dec 25, 2006

How is Maggette on defense? In his player description on hoopshype, it says he's good, but I've heard others say he's bad defensively. His biggest strength is his ability to get to the line which I think the Kings could use.

Roman · Dec 25, 2006

King4Life said:

Maggette is decent. He's not Ron Artest, but he's not Mike Bibby.

He's got all the assets to be a major defender, but he's just not that smart out there. Makes mistakes and doesn't recover quick enough.

He's around John Salmons level so far this year.

My biggest gripe about Maggette is that he's a slasher that doesn't pass, which is my fear for Martin. He doesn't see the floor real well. (plus, the injury thing)

BawLa · Dec 25, 2006

I'm not excited about the idea of getting Maggette as much as other people however I could be enticed given certain factors. I was more into the idea that we get a secured #1 draft pick. Is that even possible? I mean Ron is 1st team all-defense, so I ask, is there a way we could get a first rounder for him? And maybe they throw in expirings which would be win-win for us.

Kingzrool · Dec 25, 2006

BawLa said:

You realize that this has been elaborately discussed http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=408800&postcount=1? Ron is going to explode, hopefully GP can get something for him before this gets really bad.

SLAB · Dec 25, 2006

I say you have to tough out Ron's current issues.

This is the first time stuff has begun to get out of hand, and in all honestly, absolutly no one has any idea what it going on.

This is probably just the Peja/Artest-trade complex, where it is just far to convienient not to happen...Peja/Artest eventually did happen, but not after a year+ of time.

nebs said:

And has there ever been an interview where Ron sounds confortable? He isn't the best communicator, and now that we have percieved issues, people are probably going to hyper-analyze.

I didn't see the interview though, so Im just throwing the possibility out there.

VF21 · Dec 25, 2006

SLAB said:

Fans of the Indiana Pacers would beg to differ...

It might all be a tempest in a teapot, but remember - those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

All I'm saying is we have to remember who we're talking about here and what's happened in the past. And pray it's not happening again...

Circa_1985_Fan · Dec 25, 2006

nebs said:

What was said...and what made it so weird? I didn't get to see it.

Fresno King · Dec 25, 2006

Ron Artest is weird in the first place, so why are any of you surprised?

HndsmCelt · Dec 26, 2006

Trading away the only real defense on the team for yet one more scorer, and a declining one at that is a great way to "do something" and WILL assure that in future losses the Kings scores will be higher... unfortunalty it will do NOTHING to make the team bette and will hurt the Kings post season presence... on the other hand it could help the Kings out in the race for Oden.

FlashMaster · Dec 26, 2006

What about Elton Brand for Ron? Is it possible?

ImAKing · Dec 26, 2006

^^^not even close. maybe if you add an autographed Ron Artest CD

Padrino · Dec 26, 2006

VF21 said:

and what's so wrong with that, i wonder? the worst that happens is that the kings implode further and end up with a lottery pick in a stacked first round of the draft. besides all that, its in ron artest's best interests not to demand any kind of trade, because that's exactly what he did about a year ago in indiana, and that's exactly what he got. demanding a trade after demanding a trade is not gonna look so good for this guy, and if he really is that genuinely stupid, then oh well, you tough it out for another year until he becomes a free agent, then you let him walk. in the time between this season and the end of next season, you find a way to trade mike bibby and brad miller for youth and enders, and acquiesce to artest's demands by letting him walk.

my point is that the kings cannot continue with this revolving door attitude when it comes to player personnel. shuffling new midlevel talent in and out of the lineup every year is a one-way ticket to mediocrity, and that's exactly where the kings have been the last 3 years or so...and it looks like that's where they're still headed, unless they wanna commit to a youth movement. that means you just wait out the artest situation. you hope it blows over, but if it doesn't, then you deal. its not like there's much left in the lockerroom for him to destroy, and its not like there's much he can do but play his best. afterall, he does want that big money contract after next season, and he does know that he's got a lot to prove between now and then.

aloha_bruddah · Dec 26, 2006

buh-bye....

Ron-Ron's a cancer, he's gotta go, he doesn't even practice with the team, geez............How do I know this?? Well, I have a inside source who's on the inside,

. No one likes him...........the honeymoon's over............oh and Bibby's out too, unless his shooting woes continue, then he'd be dumb to give up money, but if he kicks it up, like he should with the return of the leather ball, he's outta here as well.....don't say I didn't tell you...........

i'm soo depressed, I like Bibby, so i'd hate for that to happen, but like I said, this is the word...........

DocHolliday · Dec 26, 2006

aloha_bruddah said:

Ron-Ron's a cancer, he's gotta go, he doesn't even practice with the team, geez............How do I know this?? Well, I have a inside source who's on the inside,

. No one likes him...........the honeymoon's over............oh and Bibby's out too, unless his shooting woes continue, then he'd be dumb to give up money, but if he kicks it up, like he should with the return of the leather ball, he's outta here as well.....don't say I didn't tell you...........

i'm soo depressed, I like Bibby, so i'd hate for that to happen, but like I said, this is the word...........

Are these smiley faces to represent sarcasm/being a smart ***, or are you being serious about what you know here?

Roman · Dec 26, 2006

FlashMaster said:

No.

Peja · Dec 26, 2006

Trade Artest for Peja?!

Just kidding.I don't think Maggete is right solution though.

Vlade4GM · Dec 26, 2006

if artest is traded he's got to be traded for high pick+fillers

BigWaxer · Dec 26, 2006

It's all about matching salary Vlade...

Maggette matches, is not a bad pickup if Ron is truely disgruntled. Because keeping him here is worse then dumping him.

Said it a few days ago. Go to Pacersforum and search Artest Pre brawl. This starts like this, then it gets worse and worse.

Starting Five · Dec 26, 2006

If Ron really doesn't want to be here..I think we could get more than Maggs for him.

Roman · Dec 26, 2006

Starting Five said:

I think we all forget how tough it was for Indy to move Artest.

They took a slumping Peja and the gamble that he'd resign with them. Not exactly a huge sum.

Artest's past problems ruin a lot of his market value and his continued insistance that he's "the man" doesn't help either. He's a distraction.

I think Magg is about as good as it gets. We might be able to get a different player at Magg's level, but I don't think we're getting too much for Artest at the end of the day.

Of course, if we work something out with the Bulls ... I could see shipping Artest/SAR over there for something. They need inside scoring and Wallace wants another defender (and a new coach). I bet something could be worked out.

thedofd · Dec 26, 2006

Padrino said:

I disagree on two counts here. One, the Kings from, oh, 1985-95 counted on the lottery year after year for salvation. The wallowed in sub-mediocrity the entire time. Even the year they got the No. 1 pick, it wasn't helpful (thanks, Pervis). There's NO GUARANTEE that getting a lottery pick is the answer.

It's not fair, I know, but Florida did a nice job of making Greg Oden rather irrelevant last weekend.

Second point: the notion that Ron feels like he has something to prove, that he has to be on his best behavior to get a good contract, etc. assumes he thinks like the average person. This is the same guy who puts himself on the same plateau as Kobe and LaBron. So I'm not convinced that the normal conventions or thought processes apply here.

One other point about the comparisons between Artest and Maggette. Defense aside, they have some remarkable similarities: Artest bron 11-13-79, Maggette born one day earlier. RA has played 427 career games, CM 468. RA has averaged 34 minutes per game, Maggette 28. Entering the season, RA has averaged 14.9 ppg for his career, CM 15.0 ppg. No doubt that RA is a far better defender, but CM is a better shooter from 2-point and 3-point range and doesn't carry as much baggage.

So to those of you who suggest that RA for CM is ridiculous, I'd suggest that it's realistic when everything's factored in. That trade may not happen, but it's certainly not an insult.

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