Are the Kings entering a rebuild phase?

Will The Kings actually commit to a rebuild for once?


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I'd bet that Golden State asks for Keon in that Sabonis trade scenario
Your probably gonna lose Keon anyway, why not package him with Domas?
Why not?

It's a fair assumption to make that Keon might seek a more lucrative contract and role elsewhere, and with a more stable franchise. So, if we're truly going to blow this whole thing up and officially commit to a rebuild, as much as I would love to have Keon be a part of said rebuild, why not throw him in to a deal to maximize our potential return?
 
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Lakers have nothing to trade he would for sure be okay with Portland with the connections and they could be a playoff team

GSW has to give up ‘28 and ‘30 unprotected no questions about and and nothing to debate I don’t care how much the idiot FO likes Kuminga those two picks have to be unprotected
His wife is tied to the vineyard in Napa so they want to be in CA. I am not sure he'd be ok with Portland and he certainly won't be ok moving much further away.

If the rumors are all true, he got Brown fired because Brown wouldn't let him go to Napa in days between games. I personally don't want to believe that, but I think he's at least as loyal/devoted to his wife as Fox is to Recee.
 
Why not?

It's a fair assumption to make that Keon might seek a more lucrative contract and role elsewhere, and with a more stable franchise. So, if we're truly going to blow this whole thing up and officially commit to a rebuild, as much as I would love to have Keon be a part of said rebuild, why not throw him in to a deal to maximize our potential return?
Keon is a guy that on his current contract might actually be able to get a FRP all by himself. Not saying I want to do that, but to throw him in seems rather silly. Unless you are getting a haul (3+ FRP).
 
Keon is a guy that on his current contract might actually be able to get a FRP all by himself. Not saying I want to do that, but to throw him in seems rather silly. Unless you are getting a haul (3+ FRP).
And what I am saying is that if we do want to get a haul, Keon likely needs to be a part of the deal.
 
My biggest fear is that, even if we offer him what might be seen as "a reasonable contract", are we sure that he will be willing to accept it over a more lucrative contract to go and play elsewhere?
Only one or two teams have any money, so he's probably going to get MLE offers, we can beat those.

And since playing time seems largely a function of salary here one would assume if we offer him a fair contract he'll be paid.
 
GSW has to give up ‘28 and ‘30 unprotected no questions about and and nothing to debate I don’t care how much the idiot FO likes Kuminga those two picks have to be unprotected
They've already traded their '30. The picks they can give are '26 and '28 (or '27 if neither of those) and '32. In '29 and '31 they can only swap unless they acquire another unprotected first.
 
I'd bet that Golden State asks for Keon in that Sabonis trade scenario
I really hope this GM doesn't mess up the Keon situation. At the absolute worst, you give him whatever extension he will sign. Best case, you get him for 3 more years while developing good habits for the kids. Worst case, you trade him next year after hes on an extension. I think they really need to find an expiring for Schroder &/Or Monk so that they feel comfortable with Keon/Keegan extensions next year. Maybe can get some expirings for Sabonis to help as well.
 
But costing them what though? There’s not a lot of downside with the NBA flattening the lottery odds as it was designed to make teams push instead of purposely losing games for a better pick.

The odds have flattened a bit as far as getting into the top 4 but as you can see, if the Kings finished with the 10th worst record, they have zero chance at picking 5-9 with about an 85% chance of picking 10th or 11th. Finishing in the bottom 4 is ideal because you're at least in the crap shoot territory without the odds of dropping too far down the order.

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His wife is tied to the vineyard in Napa so they want to be in CA. I am not sure he'd be ok with Portland and he certainly won't be ok moving much further away.

If the rumors are all true, he got Brown fired because Brown wouldn't let him go to Napa in days between games. I personally don't want to believe that, but I think he's at least as loyal/devoted to his wife as Fox is to Recee.

He’s not even good enough to be making team destination demands we should be taking the best offer possible. Regular folks move because of jobs all the time could careless if someone making 40mill a year has to move to the east coast do what’s best for the franchise
 
They've already traded their '30. The picks they can give are '26 and '28 (or '27 if neither of those) and '32. In '29 and '31 they can only swap unless they acquire another unprotected first.

Swap would be fine any GSW picks after ‘28 should be guaranteed top ten west is deep and they’d only have Sabonis at that point
 
Then Keon might (most likely will) be staying in Sacramento.

The way Keon has been used by 2 coaches now, no way he stays here. He sees how Davion flourished after he left. The same could happen for Keon.
I would hope that the kings would be forward thinking enough to see keons true intentions. If there’s an inkling that he might leave, package him with Sabonis to make any trade look more attractive. Then again, seeing how the fox ordeal went down, I’m sure the kings will keep Keon to the end and lose him for nothing.
 
The way Keon has been used by 2 coaches now, no way he stays here. He sees how Davion flourished after he left. The same could happen for Keon.
I would hope that the kings would be forward thinking enough to see keons true intentions. If there’s an inkling that he might leave, package him with Sabonis to make any trade look more attractive. Then again, seeing how the fox ordeal went down, I’m sure the kings will keep Keon to the end and lose him for nothing.
I think the desire to use Keon the way Keon has been used is more of a directive from the owner as opposed to both head coaches just not knowing what the heck they're doing out there. Vivek's hands have been all over this a lot more than most would like to admit, I'm afraid.
 
The odds have flattened a bit as far as getting into the top 4 but as you can see, if the Kings finished with the 10th worst record, they have zero chance at picking 5-9 with about an 85% chance of picking 10th or 11th. Finishing in the bottom 4 is ideal because you're at least in the crap shoot territory without the odds of dropping too far down the order.

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Right, but that’s exactly my point. Even if the Kings finished with the 10th worst record, the upside still isn’t meaningful enough to justify tanking. It only slightly increases the chance of jumping into the top 4, but the odds are still incredibly low across the board. Flattened odds mean that unless you’re a bottom 3 team, the difference in realistic outcomes isn’t big enough to outweigh punting on a chance at the playin.
 
Right, but that’s exactly my point. Even if the Kings finished with the 10th worst record, the upside still isn’t meaningful enough to justify tanking. It only slightly increases the chance of jumping into the top 4, but the odds are still incredibly low across the board. Flattened odds mean that unless you’re a bottom 3 team, the difference in realistic outcomes isn’t big enough to outweigh punting on a chance at the playin.

I’d pick the 10th pick over getting blown out in the play-in while watching our draft picks wave towels
 
He’s not even good enough to be making team destination demands we should be taking the best offer possible. Regular folks move because of jobs all the time could careless if someone making 40mill a year has to move to the east coast do what’s best for the franchise
I'm replying to someone who said he would force a trade and make demands. Stating what the teams he is likely to demand to.

Jeez.
 
I am sure this place collectively would have drafted better than this front office. We might have skipped Hali, but we sure would not have picked Ben/Nick/Davion/Bagely.

Here's the thing about Bagley. Lets be honest here. This was still a guy putting up numbers in 24 mpg that if Keegan were doing the same in his 30+ it would have netted him a max contract. Obviously part of Bagleys issues were likely committing to being great and putting in work, regardless, play him 35 mpg as a rookie and he's putting up numbers around most star players. Shine him up, flip him. The Kings were still trying to "win" though. Shumpert and WCS getting more minutes than him at that point was ridiculous.
 
I could cry watching this. Never thought my favorite player (Fox) would essentially quit on us and now it appears others are doing the same. Just sucks smh


Yeah, but we have to be a little realistic about it though. Why would they die on the sword for a team that was pretty much openly attempting to cast most of them out? We've seen this so many times over the years. Vets aren't just happy to get time and play the game they love. If a coach can't ring their bell by calling out their pride it's OVER. I don't care if they rip off 7 in a row. There is no future here with this core. There wasn't, there isn't. Westbrook plays hard, good culture guy, but him popping out triple doubles doesn't help this team 2-3 years from now. It just doesn't. The young guys? That's the only thing this franchise can move forward with, period. They might actually be IN the league in a few years lol.
 
Here's the thing about Bagley. Lets be honest here. This was still a guy putting up numbers in 24 mpg that if Keegan were doing the same in his 30+ it would have netted him a max contract. Obviously part of Bagleys issues were likely committing to being great and putting in work, regardless, play him 35 mpg as a rookie and he's putting up numbers around most star players. Shine him up, flip him. The Kings were still trying to "win" though. Shumpert and WCS getting more minutes than him at that point was ridiculous.
Remember when we traded him Detroit or whoever thought they fleeced us initially.

Its rather unfortunate that Joerger refused to play him and Brandon Williams decided to take internal matters public, and of course Coach Bagley getting involved and souring everything. Of course his work ethic and these problems should have been easy to identify as they were evident at Duke where Coach K dumbed down his system for him but once we made that commitment you can't just not play a #2 pick two years into a rebuild.
 
I think we value him because he was untouchable during the Kuminga saga. But if we are doing a tear down anything is possible.

Who knows but to me I think the Kings doing a tear down makes it much easier to potentially overpay Keon in the end. He'll get reps to put up better numbers if possible and then you aren't stuck paying possibly 40+ million on two bench guards on a salary cap that looks like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre of salary caps.
 
Who knows but to me I think the Kings doing a tear down makes it much easier to potentially overpay Keon in the end. He'll get reps to put up better numbers if possible and then you aren't stuck paying possibly 40+ million on two bench guards on a salary cap that looks like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre of salary caps.
The only barrier is that if we are doing a tear down we are going to have to take some bad salary in exchange for picks, and we can't go into luxury tax on a team that is doing a reset. With any luck we can move off some of our dead weight without taking on long term dead money, but doing that should net us better picks.

Perry managed to do a full turnover in NYK with Dolan so who knows. I am at this point going to try to let go. This team has made me hate it anyways.
 
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