Are the Kings entering a rebuild phase?

Will The Kings actually commit to a rebuild for once?

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Sucks to hear that Keegan will be a trade chip at the end of his contract.

5 years to turn things around is an embarrassment in today's sports world. But I guess the devil is in the details. Are we 5 years from competitively vying for a championship? I'll take that. Are we 3 years away from being 3 years away? That's not as easy to stomach.
I guess pretty much everyone* is off the books in 3 years...so, if Brooks does nothing but let contracts expire, I guess that means a high first in 2030? If he really wants to tear it down to the studs and start over, I guess that's one thing. I have a hard time believing that:
  • If the plan is to take that long, why are we not making any moves for draft capital in 27-29?
  • If he believes the plan takes THAT LONG to implement, why did he create roadblocks that artificially extended the timeline? He could have shaved two years off of his plan starting this past FA season, unless he believed that the young players we have are "too good" to lose the way that we need to.
  • If the second point, and we do have some good young pieces to build around, why didn't we jettison contracts sooner in order to kickstart the youth movement?
I have so many questions. None will really be answered until the trade deadline. I can't believe that Vivek's "fail fast" nature would allow a swirl in purgatory for the next two seasons. Bah.


*I know it's hyperbole.
 
I mean, if we’re looking at recent examples, The Rockets are on year 6 of their rebuild and didn’t make the playoffs until last season.
OKC pretty much started their full rebuild the same season as the Rockets did (SGA was already on their roster and they had the Clippers picks but that was the season they traded CP3 to the Suns and really got the ball rolling), made the playoffs in year 4 and then won their ring in year 5.
Spurs are on year seven of their rebuild (traded Kawhi in the summer) and finally on pace to make the postseason.

3-5 years honestly might be a bit short of a time frame given those examples.
 
Tetsujin said:
I mean, if we’re looking at recent examples, The Rockets are on year 6 of their rebuild and didn’t make the playoffs until last season.
OKC pretty much started their full rebuild the same season as the Rockets did (SGA was already on their roster and they had the Clippers picks but that was the season they traded CP3 to the Suns and really got the ball rolling), made the playoffs in year 4 and then won their ring in year 5.
Spurs are on year seven of their rebuild (traded Kawhi in the summer) and finally on pace to make the postseason.

3-5 years honestly might be a bit short of a time frame given those examples.
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OKC really only had two down years, but they started selling talent beginning with Harden. They did it at a larger scale but the fall off was also dramatic, it's just the low point was minimized.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
OKC really only had two down years, but they started selling talent beginning with Harden. They did it at a larger scale but the fall off was also dramatic, it's just the low point was minimized.
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Two down years followed by a play-in loss, then a playoff series, followed by winning the finals. I’d be down.
 
Tetsujin said:
I mean, if we’re looking at recent examples, The Rockets are on year 6 of their rebuild and didn’t make the playoffs until last season.
OKC pretty much started their full rebuild the same season as the Rockets did (SGA was already on their roster and they had the Clippers picks but that was the season they traded CP3 to the Suns and really got the ball rolling), made the playoffs in year 4 and then won their ring in year 5.
Spurs are on year seven of their rebuild (traded Kawhi in the summer) and finally on pace to make the postseason.

3-5 years honestly might be a bit short of a time frame given those examples.
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Yeah it seems about right. If we think of this year as the starting point

Year 1: Tear down, get rid of long-term contracts, accumulate as much capital as possible, hopefully land a top 5 pick
Year 2: Prioritize development of young guys, hopefully see signs of a franchise player emerge, continue tear down from previous regime, hopefully land a top 5 pick
Year 3: Continue to develop, at this point hopefully have a useable young core to build around along with a franchise level player, start to surround them with winning role players. Maybe push for a play-in, but more than likely another lotto pick on the way.
Year 4: This is the "put up or shut up" year to push hard for a playoff spot. By this point, the team should be competitive enough to really compete for the playoffs and show they're an ascending team. Not a title contender yet, but hopefully show obvious signs of a high-end playoff squad.
Year 5-7: Make moves to try and go win a title.

And like you said, this is if everything aligns perfectly and you rip the franchise player year 1 or year 2 of the rebuild. Luckily, we might have a good chance at that this year, even if we miss out on the top 4, but there's also scenarios like the Jazz where they had 2 FRP in 24, 25 and 3 FRP in 23 and have:

Ace Bailey
Walter Clayton
Cody Williams
Isaiah Collier
Keyonte George
Brice Sensabaugh
Taylor Hendricks


Keyonte has started to pop this year, a bit, but really nothing from their core has shown "star/franchise player" level capability yet. I think they'd happily swap multiple of these young guys for a top 5 pick this year.
 
Spike said:
Sucks to hear that Keegan will be a trade chip at the end of his contract.

5 years to turn things around is an embarrassment in today's sports world. But I guess the devil is in the details. Are we 5 years from competitively vying for a championship? I'll take that. Are we 3 years away from being 3 years away? That's not as easy to stomach.
I guess pretty much everyone* is off the books in 3 years...so, if Brooks does nothing but let contracts expire, I guess that means a high first in 2030? If he really wants to tear it down to the studs and start over, I guess that's one thing. I have a hard time believing that:
  • If the plan is to take that long, why are we not making any moves for draft capital in 27-29?
  • If he believes the plan takes THAT LONG to implement, why did he create roadblocks that artificially extended the timeline? He could have shaved two years off of his plan starting this past FA season, unless he believed that the young players we have are "too good" to lose the way that we need to.
  • If the second point, and we do have some good young pieces to build around, why didn't we jettison contracts sooner in order to kickstart the youth movement?
I have so many questions. None will really be answered until the trade deadline. I can't believe that Vivek's "fail fast" nature would allow a swirl in purgatory for the next two seasons. Bah.


*I know it's hyperbole.
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Well, honestly the way they are using this team right now puts this team on a 7-8 year plan IMO because as of right now they're basically just wasting this season. We've seen this team waste a few years and have to start paying players before you really want to. Keegan is there now. Keon might be next. Sure, they'll have cap left over but we've seen what happens, teams have to use it or get antsy and then start closing off the escape routes by year 2-3. On top of that all the Kings young pieces are in that 23-26 range. This isn't even like them kind of wasting Fox's first season, he was like 19. Big difference.

They are showcasing a 37 year old on a min. contract above all. They are sending a lottery pick with less than a full season of games under his belt to the G league. Max is looking good but mostly just getting pick and roll looks when you want to see him really work on the other things. Nique makes a few mistakes or the team dips and it's right to the bench for him. There are ways to do this to give a team a chance to not hit the far end of those expectations and that's always to bet on the younger, cheaper unknown. This simply isn't it. Tanking is what it is, but you can't be a completely clean slate with almost nothing to show in terms of long term outlook in any season. All the young talent needs to be shined up and hammered with minutes sooner than later. Straight tanking would be OK if the team hadn't been a lottery team for the last few seasons and exhausted some of the little draft capital they have to fill in some gaps.

As for your last two points. Personally, it sure looks like Perry giving himself one year of excuse to extend his own career timeline. It might not be his intention and it will all be shown at some point. The smart move was always allowing McNair time to clean up his own mess. Now Perry has protection to clean up Monte's mess and then start working on his own. That's time and for him time is money.
 
Tetsujin said:
Two down years followed by a play-in loss, then a playoff series, followed by winning the finals. I’d be down.
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Yeah it is not realistic for most unless they get forced into selling the sort of talent they had in the first place - 3 hall of famers before they entered their decline, though I guess they got nothing for KD.

Houston and Portland (if they are even on the up) are more realistic scenarios for a good rebuild. Philly's process is kind of a worst case but at least they ultimately got a decade of 2nd round playoff exits?
 
The_Jamal said:
Alright, well good.

People can stop using Vivek as the boogeyman and we can hold Doug and Perry accountable for their decisions they make with the squad.
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Didn't he imply the same about McNair in his first couple years? Do you currently believe that Christie is making most of the playing time decisions, or is this heavily influenced by Perry and the front office? That is the question
 
SacTownKid said:
Well, honestly the way they are using this team right now puts this team on a 7-8 year plan IMO because as of right now they're basically just wasting this season. We've seen this team waste a few years and have to start paying players before you really want to. Keegan is there now. Keon might be next. Sure, they'll have cap left over but we've seen what happens, teams have to use it or get antsy and then start closing off the escape routes by year 2-3. On top of that all the Kings young pieces are in that 23-26 range. This isn't even like them kind of wasting Fox's first season, he was like 19. Big difference.

They are showcasing a 37 year old on a min. contract above all. They are sending a lottery pick with less than a full season of games under his belt to the G league. Max is looking good but mostly just getting pick and roll looks when you want to see him really work on the other things. Nique makes a few mistakes or the team dips and it's right to the bench for him. There are ways to do this to give a team a chance to not hit the far end of those expectations and that's always to bet on the younger, cheaper unknown. This simply isn't it. Tanking is what it is, but you can't be a completely clean slate with almost nothing to show in terms of long term outlook in any season. All the young talent needs to be shined up and hammered with minutes sooner than later. Straight tanking would be OK if the team hadn't been a lottery team for the last few seasons and exhausted some of the little draft capital they have to fill in some gaps.

As for your last two points. Personally, it sure looks like Perry giving himself one year of excuse to extend his own career timeline. It might not be his intention and it will all be shown at some point. The smart move was always allowing McNair time to clean up his own mess. Now Perry has protection to clean up Monte's mess and then start working on his own. That's time and for him time is money.
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Are we wasting this season? We might get a top 5 pick on all of this, and I think Perry used some of these signings to show Vivek we can't sign our way out of this mess. Sure you can say he might be buying himself an extra year, but the average GM tenure is 5 years across all sporting leagues, and aside from the gerbil Vivek has granted that. So he has 5 years and appears to finally have buy in on a tear down, something we only had once under Vivek (and arguably never under the Maloofs).
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Are we wasting this season? We might get a top 5 pick on all of this, and I think Perry used some of these signings to show Vivek we can't sign our way out of this mess. Sure you can say he might be buying himself an extra year, but the average GM tenure is 5 years across all sporting leagues, and aside from the gerbil Vivek has granted that. So he has 5 years and appears to finally have buy in on a tear down, something we only had once under Vivek (and arguably never under the Maloofs).
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And the last tear down was simply “trade Boogie” because the roster then was so trash that that was all we really needed to do to have a rebuild get started (also had a tight deadline thanks to the whole unprotected pick and a swap to the Sixers trade Vlade made two years prior).
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Yeah it is not realistic for most unless they get forced into selling the sort of talent they had in the first place - 3 hall of famers before they entered their decline, though I guess they got nothing for KD.

Houston and Portland (if they are even on the up) are more realistic scenarios for a good rebuild. Philly's process is kind of a worst case but at least they ultimately got a decade of 2nd round playoff exits?
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Blazers only have three more wins than the Kings and their coach just had to sell his home to afford bail after getting arrested by the FBI. They also don’t have their own pick this year and are banking on big contributions from 40-year-old Jrue Holiday and Achilles-recoveree Dame Lillard going forward. Who knows what their new owner will do too.

They really might not be in a much better situation than the Kings right now.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Didn't he imply the same about McNair in his first couple years? Do you currently believe that Christie is making most of the playing time decisions, or is this heavily influenced by Perry and the front office? That is the question
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I think Perry has some influence, but I have 0 reason to believe he's forcing Doug to play LaVine/DDR/Dennis/Russ massive minutes every single game while giving inconsistent roles to all the young guys. Especially when this is the same way Doug coached last year too as the interim HC. At this point, I'm just going to trust this is how Doug operates as a HC and decision maker.

My overall take is I'm going to hold each of them to the jobs they're assigned and operate like Vivek is actually being hands off (as what's being reported here). It gets too messy to start thinking there's a shadow coach/shadow GM operating the squad until we actually hear noise of that being the case.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Are we wasting this season? We might get a top 5 pick on all of this, and I think Perry used some of these signings to show Vivek we can't sign our way out of this mess. Sure you can say he might be buying himself an extra year, but the average GM tenure is 5 years across all sporting leagues, and aside from the gerbil Vivek has granted that. So he has 5 years and appears to finally have buy in on a tear down, something we only had once under Vivek (and arguably never under the Maloofs).
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Yes, if development isn't priority number 1 it will always be a waste because it speaks to the reasons why the attempts to actually build a team around players like Cuz and Fox were so unfruitful. They draft Papa G and play Koufos like he's a stud. They draft a Justin Jackson and load up on Vince Carter minutes. They have historically gone to the get rich quick scheme with every role playing meh PG of the era. They skip steps. Was Schroder not that? Westbrook? I'll believe it when I see it.

I can guaranteed you, NO TEAM would be putting Westbrook in the star slot, hell, no team was even jumping out of the skin to sign him. Good for him though, I would have to imagine teams are regretting it to some extent now but in the end, how is it heping the Kings? Tanking? Meh, maybe. Now, things are so bad that it would be full blown insane for Perry to not rebuild but goodness, they are just wasting floor time right now, period. This team should be doing what other franchises do, scouring for young talent, G league or otherwise and turning over rocks, not this.

Like I said, it would be one thing if the team hadn't had the results and made some of the moves they did the last few seasons. They are already behind the 8 ball on a rebuild. Just simply by taking someone like Keegan and turning him into a need player and having that rookie contract kind of go poof the way they did. Any restrictions in flexibility make a team less flexible. A lot of what Petrie used to blabb about makes more and more sense as time goes on.
 
The_Jamal said:
I think Perry has some influence, but I have 0 reason to believe he's forcing Doug to play LaVine/DDR/Dennis/Russ massive minutes every single game while giving inconsistent roles to all the young guys. Especially when this is the same way Doug coached last year too as the interim HC. At this point, I'm just going to trust this is how Doug operates as a HC and decision maker.

My overall take is I'm going to hold each of them to the jobs they're assigned and operate like Vivek is actually being hands off (as what's being reported here). It gets too messy to start thinking there's a shadow coach/shadow GM operating the squad until we actually hear noise of that being the case.
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I don't understand this. Zero reason to believe it? If Ranadive and Perry wanted something very different than what is happening with playing time and how games are managed, wouldn't we likely hear something about it, or Christie would be fired?
 
The_Jamal said:
I think Perry has some influence, but I have 0 reason to believe he's forcing Doug to play LaVine/DDR/Dennis/Russ massive minutes every single game while giving inconsistent roles to all the young guys. Especially when this is the same way Doug coached last year too as the interim HC. At this point, I'm just going to trust this is how Doug operates as a HC and decision maker.

My overall take is I'm going to hold each of them to the jobs they're assigned and operate like Vivek is actually being hands off (as what's being reported here). It gets too messy to start thinking there's a shadow coach/shadow GM operating the squad until we actually hear noise of that being the case.
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Who knows. I'm starting to think Vivek might actually be doing the opposite of what people think. I always thought Vivek was given way too much credit as far as how much he controlled the decisions mainly because I don't think he's that knowledgeable in the details. He's a hire and fire guy. This might be a scenario where Perry is letting DC have a lot of in game calls without really worrying about anything. Flat out, ANY coach, don't care who they are isn't going to want to build their resume being terrible. Give a coach a vet and be damned if they don't entrust those minutes to the players more likely to bring consistency since they are proven. Vivek lets a coach get "his" guys too. Joerger even brought in Zbo. This is probably what Vivek allows.
 
SacTownKid said:
Yes, if development isn't priority number 1 it will always be a waste because it speaks to the reasons why the attempts to actually build a team around players like Cuz and Fox were so unfruitful. They draft Papa G and play Koufos like he's a stud. They draft a Justin Jackson and load up on Vince Carter minutes. They have historically gone to the get rich quick scheme with every role playing meh PG of the era. They skip steps. Was Schroder not that? Westbrook? I'll believe it when I see it.

I can guaranteed you, NO TEAM would be putting Westbrook in the star slot, hell, no team was even jumping out of the skin to sign him. Good for him though, I would have to imagine teams are regretting it to some extent now but in the end, how is it heping the Kings? Tanking? Meh, maybe. Now, things are so bad that it would be full blown insane for Perry to not rebuild but goodness, they are just wasting floor time right now, period. This team should be doing what other franchises do, scouring for young talent, G league or otherwise and turning over rocks, not this.

Like I said, it would be one thing if the team hadn't had the results and made some of the moves they did the last few seasons. They are already behind the 8 ball on a rebuild. Just simply by taking someone like Keegan and turning him into a need player and having that rookie contract kind of go poof the way they did. Any restrictions in flexibility make a team less flexible. A lot of what Petrie used to blabb about makes more and more sense as time goes on.
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If we trade most of the vets at the deadline isn't that different?

If Vivek thought this team could win and Russ and others convinced him to tear down.

You can call it a waste in one sense but I'd say it's part of the acceptance of grief that all the promise of Beam Team has died.
 
SacTownKid said:
Who knows. I'm starting to think Vivek might actually be doing the opposite of what people think. I always thought Vivek was given way too much credit as far as how much he controlled the decisions mainly because I don't think he's that knowledgeable in the details. He's a hire and fire guy. This might be a scenario where Perry is letting DC have a lot of in game calls without really worrying about anything. Flat out, ANY coach, don't care who they are isn't going to want to build their resume being terrible. Give a coach a vet and be damned if they don't entrust those minutes to the players more likely to bring consistency since they are proven. Vivek lets a coach get "his" guys too. Joerger even brought in Zbo. This is probably what Vivek allows.
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and then again you factor in this, starting at about 37:15 into it. Unless it's all made up BS? Not sure what the motivation in this case would be for that.

 
ShastaKingsFan said:
I don't understand this. Zero reason to believe it? If Ranadive and Perry wanted something very different than what is happening with playing time and how games are managed, wouldn't we likely hear something about it, or Christie would be fired?
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If word is they stay in their lane then this could just simply be them being "hands off" like people want. Oh the irony. It's been so many years of the same routine outside of the Monte era, perhaps they are indeed just asleep at the wheel? Sure looks like it historically. Monte's mistake was he didn't take the temperature of the room around the league and see the tides turning. The Lakers, Suns, and Mavs all lapping him after deadine moves should have been enough though. Teams around him got better and it's not his fault but the league turned at the exact wrong time for him. The shooting era he was playing into was turning into defense and star ball. If that Beam team were around just a few years earlier the Kings may have a few playoff seasons under they belt.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
I don't understand this. Zero reason to believe it? If Ranadive and Perry wanted something very different than what is happening with playing time and how games are managed, wouldn't we likely hear something about it, or Christie would be fired?
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We're just back to the same old circular argument. Then when is Christie in charge of anything that happens on the floor? Will it ever be his responsibility for what's happening on the floor?

If I had to guess, any GM-Coach relationship has somewhat of an understanding of what guys they want playing and on the floor and the direction of the franchise, but I would guess 95% of the decision making resides with the coach. There's probably some conversation about who's on the trade block, etc. But the team is 6-18... you think Perry really would make a call down to Doug, if he limited Dennis to 18 MPG and say "If you don't get Dennis up to 25 MPG, you're outta here"

I'll throw this back at you. Do you think if Doug chopped off 5 MPG from each of Russ/Dennis/LaVine/DDR, that Perry/Vivek would have a serious problem with that?
 
SacTownKid said:
If word is they stay in their lane then this could just simply be them being "hands off" like people want. Oh the irony. It's been so many years of the same routine outside of the Monte era, perhaps they are indeed just asleep at the wheel? Sure looks like it historically. Monte's mistake was he didn't take the temperature of the room around the league and see the tides turning. The Lakers, Suns, and Mavs all lapping him after deadine moves should have been enough though. Teams around him got better and it's not his fault but the league turned at the exact wrong time for him. The shooting era he was playing into was turning into defense and star ball. If that Beam team were around just a few years earlier the Kings may have a few playoff seasons under they belt.
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Do many want them to be hands off, if how the team is managed on the floor doesn't align with building anything towards the future? I wouldn't think so
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
and then again you factor in this, starting at about 37:15 into it. Unless it's all made up BS? Not sure what the motivation in this case would be for that.

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It's hard to make sense of any of this. Unless you give them enough credit to think they are suppressing value here and there or they are just simply pulling in different directions per usual. Perry wants a defensive team and the two guys on the outside are Carter and Keon? lol. Sorry, we know the Kings is this really shocking at this point? Lets be honest, the shocking thing would be if there were brains being used here lol.

That said, Keon to me is still a guy in general you don't want to overpay unless he's a last piece role guy type. He has the potential smell of being the next KCP all over him. However, I do think with where the Kings sit now you can overpay him and it won't really hurt much. The Kings should be using whatever cap they have coming in to be used as a facilitator anyway. The Kings are going to just kind of float around for the next few seasons regardless so they can then do what they were talking about in the video and see what he has. Maybe he's more with a bigger role? A Domas led team with a Keon making MLE money was the final piece. You were what you were and the next step is a stuffed cap, bad contracts possibly with Keon in that pile, and stagnation. Stagnation now isn't an if it's a when and the when is the next two seasons so just pay the guy and see if he explodes. Being careful with the last chunk of cap is for teams trying to stay on top, or even afloat, not teams sinking to the bottom of the sea.
 
The_Jamal said:
We're just back to the same old circular argument. Then when is Christie in charge of anything that happens on the floor? Will it ever be his responsibility for what's happening on the floor?

If I had to guess, any GM-Coach relationship has somewhat of an understanding of what guys they want playing and on the floor and the direction of the franchise, but I would guess 95% of the decision making resides with the coach. There's probably some conversation about who's on the trade block, etc. But the team is 6-18... you think Perry really would make a call down to Doug, if he limited Dennis to 18 MPG and say "If you don't get Dennis up to 25 MPG, you're outta here"

I'll throw this back at you. Do you think if Doug chopped off 5 MPG from each of Russ/Dennis/LaVine/DDR, that Perry/Vivek would have a serious problem with that?
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If he wants to retain his job with the minimal power that he currently has, it would be his responsibility when his bosses allow him to have it. For me, he's on the clock starting next season, after a major trade or trades happen.

In looking at the big picture, I believe that if the front office wanted the younger players as a whole to play a lot and for this to be a real development year....and Christie did the opposite, like he's doing now, that we would either hear something about it or he would be fired.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Do many want them to be hands off, if how the team is managed on the floor doesn't align with building anything towards the future? I wouldn't think so
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It could be a case of being careful what you wish for. Again, we're assuming so much. What doesn't need to be assumed is clearly Vivek is in a league of his own when it comes to constructing a workable and successful basketball operation. No matter how that actually plays out via meddling or being totally hands off it's the same story over and over and over.
 
SacTownKid said:
Well, honestly the way they are using this team right now puts this team on a 7-8 year plan IMO because as of right now they're basically just wasting this season. We've seen this team waste a few years and have to start paying players before you really want to. Keegan is there now. Keon might be next. Sure, they'll have cap left over but we've seen what happens, teams have to use it or get antsy and then start closing off the escape routes by year 2-3. On top of that all the Kings young pieces are in that 23-26 range. This isn't even like them kind of wasting Fox's first season, he was like 19. Big difference.

They are showcasing a 37 year old on a min. contract above all. They are sending a lottery pick with less than a full season of games under his belt to the G league. Max is looking good but mostly just getting pick and roll looks when you want to see him really work on the other things. Nique makes a few mistakes or the team dips and it's right to the bench for him. There are ways to do this to give a team a chance to not hit the far end of those expectations and that's always to bet on the younger, cheaper unknown. This simply isn't it. Tanking is what it is, but you can't be a completely clean slate with almost nothing to show in terms of long term outlook in any season. All the young talent needs to be shined up and hammered with minutes sooner than later. Straight tanking would be OK if the team hadn't been a lottery team for the last few seasons and exhausted some of the little draft capital they have to fill in some gaps.

As for your last two points. Personally, it sure looks like Perry giving himself one year of excuse to extend his own career timeline. It might not be his intention and it will all be shown at some point. The smart move was always allowing McNair time to clean up his own mess. Now Perry has protection to clean up Monte's mess and then start working on his own. That's time and for him time is money.
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Pure comedy but aye Russ gets to pad his stats while Carter is in Stockton
 
Tetsujin said:
Blazers only have three more wins than the Kings and their coach just had to sell his home to afford bail after getting arrested by the FBI. They also don’t have their own pick this year and are banking on big contributions from 40-year-old Jrue Holiday and Achilles-recoveree Dame Lillard going forward. Who knows what their new owner will do too.

They really might not be in a much better situation than the Kings right now.
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They have Milwaukee’s picks and better players under 25 then us, Keegan had two good games and people in here were saying he could be a top option which is embarrassing. Imagine if he was putting up Deni’s numbers
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
Pure comedy but aye Russ gets to pad his stats while Carter is in Stockton
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And no knock to Russ, teams blew it, he can still put up numbers. Of course that was never the question with him anyway, it's always been the impact of those numbers with him. Carter, Nique, Keon, Max could all end up busts, but one thing is pretty much literally certain they all have like 100% potential of being in the league in the next 5 years over Russ. Maybe not though, Russ might never age at this point lol.
 
SacTownKid said:
And no knock to Russ, teams blew it, he can still put up numbers. Of course that was never the question with him anyway, it's always been the impact of those numbers with him. Carter, Nique, Keon, Max could all end up busts, but one thing is pretty much literally certain they all have like 100% potential of being in the league in the next 5 years over Russ. Maybe not though, Russ might never age at this point lol.
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Russ made the same deal with devil that LBJ made. Don't want to know what they have to give in return.:p
 
SacTownKid said:
And no knock to Russ, teams blew it, he can still put up numbers. Of course that was never the question with him anyway, it's always been the impact of those numbers with him. Carter, Nique, Keon, Max could all end up busts, but one thing is pretty much literally certain they all have like 100% potential of being in the league in the next 5 years over Russ. Maybe not though, Russ might never age at this point lol.
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His role in Denver as the spark off the bench was perfect for him. I thought it was odd that Schroder was signed as a somewhat long term starter while Russ was sitting on the sidelines. Other than the one year in LA, Russ has been the superior player every year of their careers.

Neither guy is a starter but Russ can at least give a team real value off the bench.
 
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