Anyone getting tired of hearing about LeBron's boo boo?

[LilMissDiva]

He can't not play -- he is that team and its now or never.

Well it's never NOW! I know you wrote this before they were eliminated... I'm just kinda a bit disappointed.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

D00d, I've had to hear about his fingers ad nauseam. They said surgery to repair it to something approaching its original state, but repair was not critical. Those were the words out of the trainer's mouth (Vitti). Now, because he didn't get the surgery doesn't mean it was a fake injury -- the injury IS there, a ligament was shorn off the bone. If your problem is with it being called an "injury" instead of a "condition", which is probably more accurate since injury connotes pain and inability to play...then I could agree with you. After all, we're talking about just one small segment of his pinky finger, not a hip bone. But, like I said, same thing to Larry Bird in 83 and he of all players was bothered enough to get the knuckle worked on. In Kobe's kobeworld, he decided he was going to learn to live with it.

As to the last point, it has come out since that Kobe's knee was drained after Gm4 of the OK series and his shooting magically went right back to where he was before the knee tweak, which was back in the RS. So the entirety of his shooting slump fell exactly between the initial tweak and the fluid drain. Considering that they kept the knee problem and then the drain secret for as long as they did is an achievement in itself. They wanted to let the media keep thinking that his index finger was to blame. However, it's too convenient to assume that it was Thabo who suddenly blossomed into a Kobe stopper when Kobe was already bricking long before that series.

So you finally admit the "injury" was fake. Kobe himself originally said he'll have surgery around Sept of 08 but then again magically never did. The point of it being fake is that they've made it sound much more serious than it is. The ligament was supposed to be completely torn.

The other point originally debating was some people are saying Lebron is a cry baby for talking about his injuries. LBJ actually just said many times that the elbow bothers him but he is not going to blame losing on it. Some tried to argue that kobe never talks about his injuries unlike lebron. Thats BS because if he doesn't want people to know about his injuries, no one would know. If he doesn't want the lakers staff to talk about it to the media, believe me they wouldn't. My point was they all talk about their injuries to certain degrees. How convenient it is to release the news of kobe requiring to have his knees drained on the day of GM1 WCF. If they win, kobe is a tough guy that overcame his injuries. If they lose, oh... it must be the knee bothering him still.

 

[hoopsfan]

He didn't say the he admitted that Kobe's injury was fake...he said that it went from an injury to a "condition", basically, because.."They said surgery to repair it to something approaching its original state, but repair was not critical. Those were the words out of the trainer's mouth (Vitti). Now, because he didn't get the surgery doesn't mean it was a fake injury -- the injury IS there, a ligament was shorn off the bone." What's so hard to understand there??

And of course the media would know about Kobe's, (or any other players' injuries), because they watched the injury happen during the games!
I tend to believe the news of Kobe getting his knee drained was more about giving the Suns some false sense that he would be easier to guard, not at full strength...

 

[Gargamel]

He didn't say the he admitted that Kobe's injury was fake...he said that it went from an injury to a "condition", basically, because.."They said surgery to repair it to something approaching its original state, but repair was not critical. Those were the words out of the trainer's mouth (Vitti). Now, because he didn't get the surgery doesn't mean it was a fake injury -- the injury IS there, a ligament was shorn off the bone." What's so hard to understand there??

And of course the media would know about Kobe's, (or any other players' injuries), because they watched the injury happen during the games!
I tend to believe the news of Kobe getting his knee drained was more about giving the Suns some false sense that he would be easier to guard, not at full strength...

What's up, hoops? The hard part for Pete is that he doesn't want to try to understand and he would disagree with a Laker fan that the Sun is a hot place. I can tell him things that are actually said by the particulars involved and he'll still twist in 50 different ways to refute it. It's something to do during my lunch break, tho. I enjoy the lengths he goes to at times, he's definitely committed to the Kings.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

And of course the media would know about Kobe's, (or any other players' injuries), because they watched the injury happen during the games!
I tend to believe the news of Kobe getting his knee drained was more about giving the Suns some false sense that he would be easier to guard, not at full strength...

When does the media get injuries right by watching games? Some media outlets reported Tyreke's concussion as a wrist injury initially. The media doesn't get to watch kobe drain his knees, someone has to tell them that it happen.
Lebron is not the only one that has his elbow injury out in the open. Kobe has even more coverage on his list of "injuries". Completely torn ligaments needs to be reattached.

Even kobe himself originally said he was going to get surgery but decided against it even though he had nearly 4 months off after the championship against the Magic... why??? Why would he rather deal with nagging problems instead of get it fixed when he clearly had enough time for it to recover before training camp??? Its obvious the "injury" was exaggerated and thats the point.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

What's up, hoops? The hard part for Pete is that he doesn't want to try to understand and he would disagree with a Laker fan that the Sun is a hot place. I can tell him things that are actually said by the particulars involved and he'll still twist in 50 different ways to refute it. It's something to do during my lunch break, tho. I enjoy the lengths he goes to at times, he's definitely committed to the Kings.

Hmm... the way I see it is that you have some type of crush, possibily a man crush, on kobe to the point that you no longer see things clearly. My opinion of kobe's "injuries" being as publicized as Lebron's elbow and sometimes used as an excuse for a bad game has nothing to do with the Kings. Its obvious, at least to people who doesn't idolize kobe.

 

[Gargamel]

Hmm... the way I see it is that you have some type of crush, possibily a man crush, on kobe to the point that you no longer see things clearly. My opinion of kobe's "injuries" being as publicized as Lebron's elbow and sometimes used as an excuse for a bad game has nothing to do with the Kings. Its obvious, at least to people who doesn't idolize kobe.

You have a stronger fixation on Kobe than I do, trust me. You zealously portray everything about him in the negative, even to the point of comically timing your argument that he's not clutch right before he cans 6 game winners. Also proudly stating that you know he won't take on and stop Westbrook a day before he did just that. You claim that Thabo stopped him after a month of poor shooting which coincided perfectly with a knee injury. It's your schtick (sp), I recognize that.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

You have a stronger fixation on Kobe than I do, trust me. You zealously portray everything about him in the negative, even to the point of comically timing your argument that he's not clutch right before he cans 6 game winners. Also proudly stating that you know he won't take on and stop Westbrook a day before he did just that. You claim that Thabo stopped him after a month of poor shooting which coincided perfectly with a knee injury. It's your schtick (sp), I recognize that.

Stating the obvious is different from the all out defense against everything that’s not a praise of your idol that you employ. If you are using game winners as a measurement of clutch, then kobe isn’t even the most clutch on his own team. They showed a “top 10 greatest game winners in recent lakers playoff history” on TV recently and Derek Fisher had 3 of the 10, including the #1 spot. Kobe had only 1 at #6 and we all know it was his very rare playoff game winner against the suns which he ends up blowing a 3-1 series lead. Playoffs is where legends are made and that’s why regular season MVP Lebron is being criticized. Kobe’s most recent playoff game winner attempt against OKC… fail.
If you watch basketball without the kobe crush filter you use, you’ll see that kobe defended Westbrook with a clear team defensive plan with the big trees of Pau, Bynum, Odom crowding the middle every time Westbrook drove the ball. It’s the same adjustment teams use to stop guys like Tyreke, Lebron and kobe himself. If you really think kobe stopped a guy with Westbrook’s speed & abilities by himself, then your kobe crush is bigger than I thought.
I’ve said a long time ago, kobe is a good player but he is also very overrated on things such as his defense. You think people who point out kobe’s flaws is being negative on purpose as oppose to being able to see the truth. So sure, go ahead and keep telling yourself that kobe is the most clutch because he made a lot of game winners during the regular season while shooting them at one of the lowest percentages within the last 6 yrs. Also keep believing that he deserves to be on the all defensive 1st team when his main defensive assignment against the Suns is Jared Dudley.

 

[Dunkster]

I think he is just upset about his mom personally.

 

[hoopsfan]

I think he is just upset about his mom personally.

Are you talking about Lebron or Peter??

 

[Dunkster]

Are you talking about Lebron or Peter??

I dont get it...

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

I dont get it...

hoops was trying to take a cheap shot at me because him and his bff garamel couldn't win an argument against me. laker fans like to take cheap shots just like their idol kobe.

 

[hoopsfan]

Ummm..ok.

You're wrong, yet again, on so many levels, but that's ok.

Gargy's one of the most knowledgeable basketball, let alone, Laker fans I know. I'm sure both he and I know more about what's going on with the Lakers than you do...over the years, and in my case, decades.

Speaking for myself...I'm a Laker fan first and foremost...way longer than Kobe's even been alive, so don't think I'm some blind Kobe homer...just as I will try and not paint you as a blind Laker hater...ok? (That's a tough one, though...)

Love this quote from Gargy: "The hard part for Pete is that he doesn't want to try to understand and he would disagree with a Laker fan that the Sun is a hot place. I can tell him things that are actually said by the particulars involved and he'll still twist in 50 different ways to refute it. It's something to do during my lunch break, tho. I enjoy the lengths he goes to at times, he's definitely committed to the Kings."

That about sums it up, though I will say that I don't know if you're committed to the Kings or more committed to hating the Lakers.

One more thing...please don't call me a "him" anymore. Thanks. I'm done.