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vikinginferno said:
I would definitely do Miller and Kenny Thomas for Shawn Marion. Also, isn't Salmons worth a lot more than Joe Smith?
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Well, for Joe Smith and either Denver or San Antonio's first round pick would make more sense. We get more cap space in 2009/2010, a first round pick and make a contender for worst record better.
 
That Salmons to the Thunder rumor has had me scratching my head ever since it came out. Why oh why would they want him? to replace Desmond Mason? Why?

Smith is obviosuly just a nothing placeholder, but if they would like to send us their lottery pick this year though, I am all ears... :D
 
Bricklayer said:
That Salmons to the Thunder rumor has had me scratching my head ever since it came out. Why oh why would they want him? to replace Desmond Mason? Why?

Smith is obviosuly just a nothing placeholder, but if they would like to send us their lottery pick this year though, I am all ears... :D
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Yeah, that pick is all that makes the Thunder a viable option.
 
Doubt they'd give us their pick....But one of the other ones they have would be pretty sweet....As long as Petrie makes a follow up draft day trade to move up. Thats an IF though....We all know Petrie isnt really fond of...doing stuff...on draft day.

Dumping Salmons for an expiring and a late round pick (with no follow up trade) would be too much of a bleed of talent for nothing. Sure he's a cancer...But he's a cancer that plays D and has a resonable contract! :p



But yeah....I like that almost every trade rumor on realgm lately involves one of our guys. I definately see us making at least one move before the deadline.
If we dump Beno though we'd HAVE to get a PG in a trade or draft though. I wonder what the options are? There's no Paul or Williams in the draft...

...If we lose Beno I'm worried Petrie will hand AI a boatload of money this offseason. But I'm just paranoid. haha
 
Bricklayer said:
That Salmons to the Thunder rumor has had me scratching my head ever since it came out. Why oh why would they want him? to replace Desmond Mason? Why?

Smith is obviosuly just a nothing placeholder, but if they would like to send us their lottery pick this year though, I am all ears... :D
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I assume to play shooting guard.

They also have a few extra first round picks from the Suns,Spurs and Nuggets thje next 2 years.
 
I'm not much for rumors with no substance, and really cant stand rumors period...but a friend of mine told me today he heard that the Kings and Raptors were talking about a Martin for Bosh swap...not sure how that one came about, but it made me think for a bit...anyway, I'd do the Miller/KT for Marion in a heartbeat, and the Salmons for Joe Smith one I'd do too, more $$$ after next season!:) It's going to be 1998 all over again, hopefully...team in shambles, everyone's down, then all of a sudden...POOF!!!...Webber, Vlade, Williams, Maxwell, Barry.
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
I'm not much for rumors with no substance, and really cant stand rumors period...but a friend of mine told me today he heard that the Kings and Raptors were talking about a Martin for Bosh swap...not sure how that one came about, but it made me think for a bit.
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The only way I would do that is during the summer where Bosh signs an extension.
 
Combing every rumor

Here is a plan, firesale on isle 9. Go for broke on the draft. We take on some bad contracts in Tinsley and Hughes but that is the only way Indiana and Chicago part with their draft picks. I almost perfer taking on bad contracts though as it prevents Petrie from using the MLE on some other average player.


1st Trade

Sac
-> Salmons
OKC
->J. Smith + Den 09 1st + DJ White

2nd Trade

Sac
->Beno
Orl
->Battie

3rd Trade

Sac
->Moore
Ind
->Tinsley+1st

4th Trade
Sac
Miller+Thomas+Douby
Chi
Hinrich+Hughes+1st

Ending the Year
PG Hinrich + Jackson + Tinsley
SG Martin + Hughes
SF Garcia + Greene
PF Thompson + Smith + DJ White
C Hawes + Williams + Battie

Draft
1st(Ours) Blake Griffin
8th(Indiana) Jeff Teague
15th(Chicago) Demar DeRozan
22nd (Houston) Tyler Hansbrough
25th(Denver) Tyler Smith

Next year
PG Hinrich + Teague
SG Martin + DeRozan
SF Garcia + Greene +Tyler Smith
PF Thompson + Hansbrough +DJ White
C Hawes + Griffin

Injured(Trade) List
Tinsley + Hughes + Battie
 
'89 Kings Fan said:
Sac
->Moore
Ind
->Tinsley+1st

4th Trade
Sac
Miller+Thomas+Douby
Chi
Hinrich+Hughes+1st
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There is no way in the world the Pacers give us a 1st for Mikki Freaking Moore.

IND could get WAY more in return for a first.

I also don't think the Bulls bite on K9 and Q AND give up a 1st for them.
 
'89 Kings Fan said:
Here is a plan, firesale on isle 9. Go for broke on the draft. We take on some bad contracts in Tinsley and Hughes but that is the only way Indiana and Chicago part with their draft picks. I almost perfer taking on bad contracts though as it prevents Petrie from using the MLE on some other average player.


1st Trade

Sac
-> Salmons
OKC
->J. Smith + Den 09 1st + DJ White

2nd Trade

Sac
->Beno
Orl
->Battie

3rd Trade

Sac
->Moore
Ind
->Tinsley+1st

4th Trade
Sac
Miller+Thomas+Douby
Chi
Hinrich+Hughes+1st

Ending the Year
PG Hinrich + Jackson + Tinsley
SG Martin + Hughes
SF Garcia + Greene
PF Thompson + Smith + DJ White
C Hawes + Williams + Battie

Draft
1st(Ours) Blake Griffin
8th(Indiana) Jeff Teague
15th(Chicago) Demar DeRozan
22nd (Houston) Tyler Hansbrough
25th(Denver) Tyler Smith

Next year
PG Hinrich + Teague
SG Martin + DeRozan
SF Garcia + Greene +Tyler Smith
PF Thompson + Hansbrough +DJ White
C Hawes + Griffin

Injured(Trade) List
Tinsley + Hughes + Battie
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lol, if that really happened, Id probably buy a jersey of every single one of those guys :D
 
mm16 said:
Salmons to Thunder:
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57021/20090204/thunder_interested_in_salmons/

Udrih to Mavs/Hornets/Magic:
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a..._may_unload_udrih_to_dallas_magic_or_hornets/

Miller to Chicago/Miami
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...and_chicago_could_still_deal_for_brad_miller/

I'm sure most of you have. I've heard plenty about Miller/Salmons to Miami for Marion/Banks (or some combination of that).

I'm suprised Udrih got interest.
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I beat you to it :p. Posted it in another thread.

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=599909&postcount=12
 
Griffin is not a center. PF at the next level. And if you're drafting him at #1, you better make sure he's going to be your PF of the future, and as such starting immediately. Need to get through the growing pains NOW, instead of of 3 years down the road.
 
Bricklayer said:
That Salmons to the Thunder rumor has had me scratching my head ever since it came out. Why oh why would they want him? to replace Desmond Mason? Why?

Smith is obviosuly just a nothing placeholder, but if they would like to send us their lottery pick this year though, I am all ears... :D
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Oklahoma has three first round picks in the draft. The second two are near the bottom of the first round, but still would have some value. One of the reasons I wanted the Kings to end up with number one is that if we Don't really want Griffin, Oklahoma does. We could then trade Griffin to Oklahoma for their first pick in the draft and one of the later one's.

If Oklahoma stays in its current position, their pick would be around the 4th or 5th pick. Picking Thabeet there would be much less of a risk than picking him at number one. To be honest, I doubt that Petrie would pick a player like Thabeet because of his skill level, or lack there of, but who knows. Its certainly a new day.
 
Oprostaj said:
Griffin is not a center. PF at the next level. And if you're drafting him at #1, you better make sure he's going to be your PF of the future, and as such starting immediately. Need to get through the growing pains NOW, instead of of 3 years down the road.
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If we were to draft Griffin with the idea of keeping him, I see no reason he wouldn't fit. As I stated before, after cleaning house all we'll have left is Hawes and Thompson. So Griffin would be a part of a three man rotation at the PF/C positions. You'd probably still need some back up at C just in case of foul trouble, but there are plenty of journeymen players out there.
 
bajaden said:
If we were to draft Griffin with the idea of keeping him, I see no reason he wouldn't fit. As I stated before, after cleaning house all we'll have left is Hawes and Thompson. So Griffin would be a part of a three man rotation at the PF/C positions. You'd probably still need some back up at C just in case of foul trouble, but there are plenty of journeymen players out there.
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That would be a nasty 3 man rotation! Wow, could you imagine? Once all 3 of them developed - we would easily have a top 10, if not top 5, 3 man bigs rotation.
 
kingsnation said:
That would be a nasty 3 man rotation! Wow, could you imagine? Once all 3 of them developed - we would easily have a top 10, if not top 5, 3 man bigs rotation.
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Would be interesting, but you'd have 3 guys that can play PF and only 1 that can play center. Thabeet could really compliment Hawes and Thompson. Shotblocking, rebounding, huge center in Thabeet as a starter. Scoring and solid rebounding PF in Thompson. Then Hawes plays behind both positions and brings inside/outside scoring and ok rebounding depending on foul trouble and matchups. Defense remains to be seen for all. There's room for all 3 to get 30+ minutes a night though.
 
yes but you have to look at it realistically... there are only so many positions to go around, you cannot play 6 on 5. A #1 pick needs to be a FOR SURE pick that will help you become an elite team. A #1 should not be a guy that's just "part of a rotation". Griffin is versatile enough to play a couple of positions, but I haven't seen enough to say that he can be moved around from SF / PF / C positions at will.
 
Oprostaj said:
yes but you have to look at it realistically... there are only so many positions to go around, you cannot play 6 on 5. A #1 pick needs to be a FOR SURE pick that will help you become an elite team. A #1 should not be a guy that's just "part of a rotation". Griffin is versatile enough to play a couple of positions, but I haven't seen enough to say that he can be moved around from SF / PF / C positions at will.
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well we can save the Griffin vs Thabeet debate for the other thread, but Griffin is not a FOR SURE guy due to his size. We'll see where he tests out, but at 6'8" PF is going to have to be the exception (Brand, Boozer, etc) not the rule. He will loose a lot of size/strength advantage when he moves to the NBA and might lose a lot of the rebounding with it. Thabeet will be dominate size at the next level to do what he is doing now.

We'll see...we will likely have our choice made for us by previous pics anyway unless we win the lottery.
 
Oprostaj said:
yes but you have to look at it realistically... there are only so many positions to go around, you cannot play 6 on 5. A #1 pick needs to be a FOR SURE pick that will help you become an elite team. A #1 should not be a guy that's just "part of a rotation". Griffin is versatile enough to play a couple of positions, but I haven't seen enough to say that he can be moved around from SF / PF / C positions at will.
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Over time yes, but to become an elite team you need an elite player and that means drafting the best player available. If that means drafting Griffin and splitting 96 minutes between 3 players at first than so be it. We can always trade a big player for a smaller one if all 3 work out. Probably the easiest thing to do in basketball, but much harder to do the reverse.
 
ESPN: Top 12 Trade Assets

I didn't want to make a new thread but here's a very interesting article on trades:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=TradeAssets-090130

So while most of the focus will be on Shawn Marion, Jermaine O'Neal and every other major or minor player whose name is being bandied about in trade talks, there are a lot of other commodities out there that can influence the market before the Feb. 19 deadline.
So as we count down toward that day, let's have a look at the top dozen trade assets held by various teams, not including active players.
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ASSET No. 2: Raef LaFrentz's expiring contract
OWNER: Portland Trail Blazers



In NBA front offices, this is what's known as a super-expiring contract, because not only does his $12.72 million come off someone's cap at the end of the season, but 80 percent of it is being paid by an insurance company because of LaFrentz's shoulder injury. In real dollars and cents, that means that the acquiring team can realize a cash windfall of about $4 million by acquiring LaFrentz.
With Darius Miles now taking up $9 million in cap space that the Blazers thought they'd have this summer, they can no longer set their summer sights on a max-level free agent. If they want someone of that caliber, packaging LaFrentz with one or two of their youngsters -- Travis Outlaw, Sergio Rodriguez, Rudy Fernandez, Jerryd Bayless -- might be their best route toward landing a player who will make them a legitimate championship-contending threat in the West this spring.
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Let's go get him and Bayless!
 
kingsnation said:
Let's go get him and Bayless!
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No question we should try. Question is whether their reported interest in Salmons is enough to justify them trading out Bayless. Maybe they want Miller - for Jerryd, no problem!

Neither of those guys probably qualifies as a "max-level free agent" caliber player, though.

Question is, what other players could be on their shopping list? The obvious one is Marion and his Bird Rights. Max-level kind of guy (even if he's not worth it anymore) and on the block. So if you're given the option of trading away Bayless for an expensive Marion of a cheap Salmons, which do you do?
 
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