Any news on Morrow?

[Henkel]

It's quite simple.

Last year Tyreke set up Beno with open shots doing his drive-and-kick routine on a consistant basis.
Last year Beno set up Tyreke about once every 4-5 games with a basket.

The guy setting up his teammates is the point-guard. The guy being set up is the off-guard.
Tyreke = Point Guard
Beno = Off Guard

Not sure how much clearer it can be. But watching the games is a good way to determine who is playing the point and who isn't.

As an aside, Tyreke is a horrible off-the-ball player. The reason the team plays him at the point is because he's not very good otherwise.

Then Kobe Bryant was playing point last year and Fisher was the off guard?

I'm not sure if I consider Tyreke a point guard anymore then I do Kobe or Wade. Thats fine, you can be successful with out a "true point guard" as long as whoever is dominating the ball gets their teammates involved.

 

[Rookie]

Like I said before...he is not a "true point guard" because he's a "star point guard". You can cry all you want about him not being a point guard but the point guard position is takened.

 

[est.1999]

You know, Tyreke Evans may never be a true point guard(whatever the hell that is anyways) but true point guards will never be Tyreke Evans. And at this point, I'd rather have Tyreke Evans.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

we're still debating if reke is a point?

 

[Telemachus]

Sometimes I wonder if the definition of "true point guard" is "a Caucasian player shorter than 6'3 and under 175lbs who averages no more than 16 points per game, 4 rebounds per game and at least 8 assists per game"

That leaves out Beno.

 

[Telemachus]

Look, I know that Tyreke will continue to be labeled as the "point guard" for the team, and in the NBA, from a marketing perspective, but let's be honest with ourselves. Tyreke isn't a true point. He's an amazing player, and he can definitely play the point if you want to put him there, but he's not a natural point. Beno is a point, even if he's a scoring point guard. He's a legitimate point. It really doesn't matter who get's the label of point guard. The bottom line is that our team seems to do the best when Beno and Reke are playing with each other. They work well together. The bulk of the minutes should be those two guys in the backcourt, regardless of how they are labeled. Still, we do need to have a backup for both players. Cisco can definitely play a bit at the 2 guard, and can even bring the ball up occasionally, but we still need two more guards imo.

The only reason Beno has ever been considered a PG is because he isn't big enough to defend most SGs. He a better player when playing off the ball, and a good mid-range shooter when creating his own shot or when receiving a pass. As a PG he has below average court vision and is only an average passer at best. In his one season with the Kings, Tyreke proved to not only be a better passer than Beno, but also showed better court vision. If Tyreke wasn't 6'6, no one would be talking about him as a SG.

 

[swisshh]

Look, I know that Tyreke will continue to be labeled as the "point guard" for the team, and in the NBA, from a marketing perspective, but let's be honest with ourselves. Tyreke isn't a true point. He's an amazing player, and he can definitely play the point if you want to put him there, but he's not a natural point. Beno is a point, even if he's a scoring point guard. He's a legitimate point. It really doesn't matter who get's the label of point guard. The bottom line is that our team seems to do the best when Beno and Reke are playing with each other. They work well together. The bulk of the minutes should be those two guys in the backcourt, regardless of how they are labeled. Still, we do need to have a backup for both players. Cisco can definitely play a bit at the 2 guard, and can even bring the ball up occasionally, but we still need two more guards imo.

Your words fall on deaf ears here. They don't want to listen because management, the same management that had BSed them before, makes up ideas like "lead guard". People here will admit that you have to have a ball handler/passer next to Tyreke in the backcourt, but they just won't admit to why.

 

[Bricklayer]

Your words fall on deaf ears here. They don't want to listen because management, the same management that had BSed them before, makes up ideas like "lead guard". People here will admit that you have to have a ball handler/passer next to Tyreke in the backcourt, but they just won't admit to why.

I often thought that about Bibby too playing alongside Doug, Payton playing alongside Barry, Parker playing alongside Manu.

And that management is indeed tricky in how they can draft this rookie kid, give him the ball, have him bring it up and set up the offense, have him start next to everyone from Kevin martin to Donte greene to Beno Udrih to Francisco Garcia, have him lead the team in assists by a wide margin, have him finish second amongst all rookies in assists, and then call him a PG. The damn sneaky bastards! But not sneaky enough to fool your amazing perceptiveness of course. You've had Reke as a non-PG eyeballed since last June, and nothing in the world can shake you from your pit bull like tenacious hold on that thought.

As an aside, Championship PGs ast/gm last 20 years:
09-10 -- Fisher 2.5 ast/gm
08-09 -- Fisher 3.2 ast/gm
07-08 -- Rondo 5.1
06-07 -- Parker 5.5
05-06 -- JWill 4.9
04-05 -- Parker 6.1
03-04 -- Billups 5.7
02-03 -- Parker 5.3
01-02 -- Fisher 2.6
00-01 -- Fisher 4.4
99-00 -- Harper 3.4
98-99 -- Johnson 7.4
98-97 -- Harper 2.9
97-96 -- Harper 2.5
95-96 -- Harper 2.6
94-95 -- Smith 4.0
93-94 -- Smith 4.2
92-93 -- Armstrong 4.0
91-92 -- Armstrong 3.2
90-91 -- Armstrong 3.7

09-10 -- Reke 5.8 (would be 3rd most of any championship PG in last 20 years)

I'm not sure what a PG is, but I don't think I want one anywhere near my title contending team.

 

[bajaden]

Your words fall on deaf ears here. They don't want to listen because management, the same management that had BSed them before, makes up ideas like "lead guard". People here will admit that you have to have a ball handler/passer next to Tyreke in the backcourt, but they just won't admit to why.

First off, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You don't think Evans is a point guard. Thats fine! Personally I don't care what you prefer to call him, and to keep arguing over it is somewhat petty in my opinion. The definition of a point guard is somewhat broad and therefore subjective to a degree. But in essence its the guy that handles the ball the most, and calls and runs the plays. So in general, usually the point guard is the best ballhandler and passer on the team. He should also have good court vision that translates into sucessful plays for his teammates. Some point guards are more prone to scoring than others. But the bottom line is that the point guard is the leader of the team on the floor. He's an extension of the coach to a large degree. Or at least the coach hopes so.

Now you can stick who ever you want into that definition. The question is who does the best job? I would say that Evans handled the ball more than any other player on the team last year. And I think he did so with a large degree of success. While Beno had a great year by comparison to his previous year, he played more like a SG than he did a point guard. He came off screens at the top of the key very effectively. Most of Beno's success last year was measured by his shooting percentage. Yes I'm aware that he had some games where he had great assist totals. So did Tyreke. Right now, Tyreke is our point guard. If you want to stick your head in the sand in denial, so be it.

Here's a definition of a point guard:

http://www.answers.com/topic/point-guard

 

[Kingster]

we're still debating if reke is a point?

Yep

Does anybody want to talk about Rubio now?

 

[Kingster]

Where is this Cisco injured stuff coming from. Outside of the lifting accident, he has been a relatively injury free player. I just don't get it.

What about the incident where he poked the ball from the basket for Brad Miller and got a severely sprained ankle? I'm now waiting for him to injure himself while brushing his teeth. He doesn't seem to have a twinkling star over his head...

 

[fnordius]

Wow... 5 days since Morrow agreed to play elsewhere, and this trainwreck of a thread is still going?