Any news on Morrow?

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ANTHONY MORROW WILL NOT HELP THIS BASKETBALL TEAM.

The Warriors just threw away Kelenna Azubuike, so chances are the Warriors are even more determined to keep the guy.
 
Care to explain why he would not help. I think we def need shooters.
 
Considering that the Bulls just signed Korver to a 3 year 15 million deal and all he can do is shoot... then I think some teams see some value in that area. When you have an inside presence of big men and a guard that likes to get to the basket, then having a guy who can shoot the lights out if left open is worth the money. Punish the defense if they decide to sag into the paint.
 
JB_kings said:
Considering that the Bulls just signed Korver to a 3 year 15 million deal and all he can do is shoot... then I think some teams see some value in that area. When you have an inside presence of big men and a guard that likes to get to the basket, then having a guy who can shoot the lights out if left open is worth the money. Punish the defense if they decide to sag into the paint.
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Its more a question of there being few minutes for him to help during. Cisco, Beno, Casspi and Donte figure to eat up almost all of the SF/SG/backup PG minutes, and Morrow hasn't shown that's he's clearly better than any of those guys. Even if we did sign him, and to what would probably be an excessive contract to try to chase off the Warriors from matching, it would be hard for him to make much of an impact given what we already have there.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Its more a question of there being few minutes for him to help during. Cisco, Beno, Casspi and Donte figure to eat up almost all of the SF/SG/backup PG minutes, and Morrow hasn't shown that's he's clearly better than any of those guys. Even if we did sign him, and to what would probably be an excessive contract to try to chase off the Warriors from matching, it would be hard for him to make much of an impact given what we already have there.
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Personally, I don't want to see Donte or Casspi spending much time playing SG. I prefer both of them to get the majority of their minutes at SF. That leaves Beno and Cisco to eat up most of the minutes at SG (and back up PG). We all know that the chances of Cisco getting through a whole season without getting injured is very small. That should leave more than enough minutes for another SG to play for the Kings (whether it be Morrow or someone else).
 
Telemachus said:
Personally, I don't want to see Donte or Casspi spending much time playing SG. I prefer both of them to get the majority of their minutes at SF. That leaves Beno and Cisco to eat up most of the minutes at SG (and back up PG). We all know that the chances of Cisco getting through a whole season without getting injured is very small. That should leave more than enough minutes for another SG to play for the Kings (whether it be Morrow or someone else).
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You know this myth that Cisco somehow spends half of every season on the injured list...just how short are basketball fans' memories? Maybe its all the fake drama queen grimacing and flopping and stuff he does that provides a visual that sticks wiht people more than the true numebrs do. In any case Cisco has played in 67, 79, 79, 65 and 25 games in his 5 years. And the missed games in the first (jumping up to free pinned ball and landing on Miller's foot) and last (exploding exercise ball) seasons were really freak stuff. You throw out the exploding exercise ball (which I think most would agree was a tiny bit of a freak occurrence) and he averages fewer than 10 missed games a season. I'm not sure you go out and drop MLE on another guy just to cover 10 games a season. Or even 15. We need depth, but whoever it is might end up averaging 10-12min a game on the season.
 
Bricklayer said:
You have to assume that the Warriors will match that too. That was always going to one of the problems in trying to sign him -- you had to get outrageous to make it unpalatable for the Warriors.
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From the article it says the Warriors aren't expected to match.

The Golden State Warriors aren’t expected to match the offer, a league source said. Morrow has to take a physical Monday before he can sign the offer sheet. The Warriors will then have seven days to decide to match.
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Sounds like the W's won't match. If not that's not such a bad deal on the Nets end. Could be one of those deals like Salmons with us.
 
OPrime said:
From the article it says the Warriors aren't expected to match.
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Huh -- what is the Warriors cap situation? After losing Azubuike, Maggette and Randolph all in one summer its hard to imagine them not wanting to keep Morrow now.
 
Good signing by the Nets. Not sure why GS won't match. They went from a team of practically only SFs to practically none.
 
Luther Head

I understand not paying morrow 4 mil, but I think we have to outbid N.O. for Luther Head. Head agreed to a 2.3 mil contract per hoopshype.com.

We should offer head 3 mil, sign brocky, and figure out who's better sloan or landesburg (then sign one).......
 
LPKingsFan said:
Good signing by the Nets. Not sure why GS won't match. They went from a team of practically only SFs to practically none.
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I heard that matching the offer would take them up to the luxury tax or maybe slightly over it. I think that will be a good signing by the Nets. I aways felt that a contract around 3-4 million a year for Morrow would be a good deal. If you had to go over 5 million a year, then it would be a reach.
 
joemama said:
I understand not paying morrow 4 mil, but I think we have to outbid N.O. for Luther Head. Head agreed to a 2.3 mil contract per hoopshype.com.

We should offer head 3 mil, sign brocky, and figure out who's better sloan or landesburg (then sign one).......
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I'm not a big fan of Luther Head. I personally don't think he is worth much more than the league minimum. I think the Kings are just as likely to find a player of his calibre (or likely better) in the Summer League. Why not give Dionte Christmas a try?
 
Telemachus said:
We all know that the chances of Cisco getting through a whole season without getting injured is very small. That should leave more than enough minutes for another SG to play for the Kings (whether it be Morrow or someone else).
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Where is this Cisco injured stuff coming from. Outside of the lifting accident, he has been a relatively injury free player. I just don't get it.
 
Heuge said:
Where is this Cisco injured stuff coming from. Outside of the lifting accident, he has been a relatively injury free player. I just don't get it.
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I posted in another thread about Cisco's injury history. Obviously I was wrong, and apologies for not checking the stats before writing. Don't know why it was stuck in my head too about Cisco being injury prone.
 
Bricklayer said:
Cisco, Beno, Casspi and Donte figure to eat up almost all of the SF/SG/backup PG minutes,
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Beno a backup PG? Wuh?


Beno is our starter at point guard. Tyreke is our starter at off-guard. Don't tell me you're drinking the "Tyreke is a point guard" kool-aid? Regardless of who our "real" point guard is, basically our starting backcourt should be Tyreke and Beno unless we get somebody that is a serious upgrade over Beno, and that doesn't appear to be happening. I honestly think the team was the most effective when Beno and Tyreke were on the floor together. The real question is, when Beno comes out of the game, who do we want on the floor with Tyreke? Also, when Tyreke has to come out, who do we want on the floor with Beno?

There are 96 minutes to divvy up between the 1 and 2 spot. Tyreke should get about 39 or 40 minutes per game. Let's say 40. That leaves another 56 minutes to be divvied up. Beno should get about 32 or 33 minutes, let's say 32, so that leaves another 24 minutes to likely be divided up between another point guard and another 2 guard. Dante and Casspi will primarily get their minutes at the 3, but I think Casspi and Cisco might get a few minutes at the two spot. Say they each play about 4 minutes per game at the 2, then that leaves 16 minutes left over to divvy up between the two players we end up getting to fill those roles.

Obviously, this is assuming nobody gets injured (knocks on wood), so we always have to be prepared for the worst, and consider getting a much better player than 8 or 9 minutes per game would dictate.
 
To use Jerry Reynolds speak: The Kings guard line is a little thin at this point but we should be addressing that during summer league competition, the waiver wire and possible FA signing or trade. We've got a solid lead guard tandem in Tyreke and Beno, whether you call them a 1 or a 2 - both handle the ball, both shoot the ball, both can find each other and teammates. Cisco is flexibe too, having the ability to play 2, his natural position, or even 3 or 1 in a pinch. Donte and Omri can play on the wing and in certain matchups will be in the backcourt. What a nice problem to have and get this Kings fans... It's a lot easier to find a swingman shooter than a big, tough, tall and long inside player which it now looks like we have as many as or more than most NBA teams.
 
Anthony1 said:
Beno a backup PG? Wuh?


Beno is our starter at point guard. Tyreke is our starter at off-guard. Don't tell me you're drinking the "Tyreke is a point guard" kool-aid? Regardless of who our "real" point guard is, basically our starting backcourt should be Tyreke and Beno unless we get somebody that is a serious upgrade over Beno, and that doesn't appear to be happening. I honestly think the team was the most effective when Beno and Tyreke were on the floor together. The real question is, when Beno comes out of the game, who do we want on the floor with Tyreke? Also, when Tyreke has to come out, who do we want on the floor with Beno?

There are 96 minutes to divvy up between the 1 and 2 spot. Tyreke should get about 39 or 40 minutes per game. Let's say 40. That leaves another 56 minutes to be divvied up. Beno should get about 32 or 33 minutes, let's say 32, so that leaves another 24 minutes to likely be divided up between another point guard and another 2 guard. Dante and Casspi will primarily get their minutes at the 3, but I think Casspi and Cisco might get a few minutes at the two spot. Say they each play about 4 minutes per game at the 2, then that leaves 16 minutes left over to divvy up between the two players we end up getting to fill those roles.

Obviously, this is assuming nobody gets injured (knocks on wood), so we always have to be prepared for the worst, and consider getting a much better player than 8 or 9 minutes per game would dictate.
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I'm always sorry to hear that some people did not get a chance to watch the Kings play last season -- you should have been there. It was the most fun we've had in years.
 
Bricklayer said:
I'm always sorry to hear that some people did not get a chance to watch the Kings play last season -- you should have been there. It was the most fun we've had in years.
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Look, I know that Tyreke will continue to be labeled as the "point guard" for the team, and in the NBA, from a marketing perspective, but let's be honest with ourselves. Tyreke isn't a true point. He's an amazing player, and he can definitely play the point if you want to put him there, but he's not a natural point. Beno is a point, even if he's a scoring point guard. He's a legitimate point. It really doesn't matter who get's the label of point guard. The bottom line is that our team seems to do the best when Beno and Reke are playing with each other. They work well together. The bulk of the minutes should be those two guys in the backcourt, regardless of how they are labeled. Still, we do need to have a backup for both players. Cisco can definitely play a bit at the 2 guard, and can even bring the ball up occasionally, but we still need two more guards imo.
 
Anthony1 said:
Beno a backup PG? Wuh?


Beno is our starter at point guard. Tyreke is our starter at off-guard. Don't tell me you're drinking the "Tyreke is a point guard" kool-aid? Regardless of who our "real" point guard is, basically our starting backcourt should be Tyreke and Beno unless we get somebody that is a serious upgrade over Beno, and that doesn't appear to be happening. I honestly think the team was the most effective when Beno and Tyreke were on the floor together. The real question is, when Beno comes out of the game, who do we want on the floor with Tyreke? Also, when Tyreke has to come out, who do we want on the floor with Beno?

There are 96 minutes to divvy up between the 1 and 2 spot. Tyreke should get about 39 or 40 minutes per game. Let's say 40. That leaves another 56 minutes to be divvied up. Beno should get about 32 or 33 minutes, let's say 32, so that leaves another 24 minutes to likely be divided up between another point guard and another 2 guard. Dante and Casspi will primarily get their minutes at the 3, but I think Casspi and Cisco might get a few minutes at the two spot. Say they each play about 4 minutes per game at the 2, then that leaves 16 minutes left over to divvy up between the two players we end up getting to fill those roles.

Obviously, this is assuming nobody gets injured (knocks on wood), so we always have to be prepared for the worst, and consider getting a much better player than 8 or 9 minutes per game would dictate.
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You should go for weekly drinks with Swishh and the two of you can exchange Tyreke isn't a PG stories.
 
Anthony1 said:
Look, I know that Tyreke will continue to be labeled as the "point guard" for the team, and in the NBA, from a marketing perspective, but let's be honest with ourselves. Tyreke isn't a true point. He's an amazing player, and he can definitely play the point if you want to put him there, but he's not a natural point. Beno is a point, even if he's a scoring point guard. He's a legitimate point. It really doesn't matter who get's the label of point guard. The bottom line is that our team seems to do the best when Beno and Reke are playing with each other. They work well together. The bulk of the minutes should be those two guys in the backcourt, regardless of how they are labeled. Still, we do need to have a backup for both players. Cisco can definitely play a bit at the 2 guard, and can even bring the ball up occasionally, but we still need two more guards imo.
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He plays Point Guard for our team, and this has been debated thoroughly in my opinion. The issue is actually getting a player who is closer to a) a pure point or b) a really explosive scorer/shooter combo guard. Let's be honest, Tyreke will never be Steve Nash. But neither will Beno.
 
Sometimes I wonder if the definition of "true point guard" is "a Caucasian player shorter than 6'3 and under 175lbs who averages no more than 16 points per game, 4 rebounds per game and at least 8 assists per game"
 
Anthony1 said:
Look, I know that Tyreke will continue to be labeled as the "point guard" for the team, and in the NBA, from a marketing perspective, but let's be honest with ourselves. Tyreke isn't a true point. He's an amazing player, and he can definitely play the point if you want to put him there, but he's not a natural point. Beno is a point, even if he's a scoring point guard. He's a legitimate point.
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It's quite simple.

Last year Tyreke set up Beno with open shots doing his drive-and-kick routine on a consistant basis.
Last year Beno set up Tyreke about once every 4-5 games with a basket.

The guy setting up his teammates is the point-guard. The guy being set up is the off-guard.
Tyreke = Point Guard
Beno = Off Guard

Not sure how much clearer it can be. But watching the games is a good way to determine who is playing the point and who isn't.

As an aside, Tyreke is a horrible off-the-ball player. The reason the team plays him at the point is because he's not very good otherwise.
 
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