Another offseason plan thread

[kingofthejungle]

Kings select Demarcus Cousins w/ the 3rd pick.

Kings select Jarvis Varnado w/ the 33rd pick.

Kings sign Ronnie Brewer to a multiyear contract.

Kings re-sign John Brockman.

Kings trade Andres Nocioni for Dan Gadzuric (expiring contact).

Evans/Udrih
Brewer/Garcia
Greene/Casspi
Landry/Thompson/Brockman.
Cousins/Hawes/Varnado

 

[mr. moustache]

Why would someone want to pay Noc 6-8m per year?

Kings select Demarcus Cousins w/ the 3rd pick.

Kings select Jarvis Varnado w/ the 33rd pick.

Kings sign Ronnie Brewer to a multiyear contract.

Kings re-sign John Brockman.

Kings trade Andres Nocioni for expiring contact(s).

Evans/Udrih
Brewer/Garcia
Greene/Casspi
Landry/Thompson/Brockman.
Cousins/Hawes/Varnado

 

[Chupacabra]

Unless we're trading Garcia, Brewer isnt worth signing.

 

[bajaden]

Kings select Demarcus Cousins w/ the 3rd pick.

Kings select Jarvis Varnado w/ the 33rd pick.

Kings sign Ronnie Brewer to a multiyear contract.

Kings re-sign John Brockman.

Kings trade Andres Nocioni for expiring contact(s).

Evans/Udrih
Brewer/Garcia
Greene/Casspi
Landry/Thompson/Brockman.
Cousins/Hawes/Varnado

Well one thing I like about this proposal is that its all doable if we end up being third in the draft. There are other players that I might like better in the second round, but I do like Varnado. He would certainly be a great weakside shotblocker. I don't think you could play him at the center position though. You might want to switch Brockman and Varnado.

Brewer's not a bad idea. He can handle the ball and is pretty good passer. He's also a good defender and a decent rebounder for his position. My biggest knock on Brewer is his outside shooting. He'd be worth going after as long as the money wasn't that big.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Indeed this proposal is worth looking at. Brewer is young and is an active body on the wings. Plus this packs up our frontline with young and defensive minded bigs.

If we can sign Brewer at around an MLE then we can still have enough capspace to use Nocioni for a sign and trade package for at least a borderline all-star maybe.

 

[mr. moustache]

Trade Noc for an All-Star? Throw in Tyreke and you've got a deal.

Indeed this proposal is worth looking at. Brewer is young and is an active body on the wings. Plus this packs up our frontline with young and defensive minded bigs.

If we can sign Brewer at around an MLE then we can still have enough capspace to use Nocioni for a sign and trade package for at least a borderline all-star maybe.

 

[CaAllDay]

Kings select Demarcus Cousins w/ the 3rd pick.

Kings select Jarvis Varnado w/ the 33rd pick.

Kings sign Ronnie Brewer to a multiyear contract.

Kings re-sign John Brockman.

Kings trade Andres Nocioni for expiring contact(s).

Evans/Udrih
Brewer/Garcia
Greene/Casspi
Landry/Thompson/Brockman.
Cousins/Hawes/Varnado

agree with cousins, 2nd pick might get a wing player, Brewer has nice d and is tough but if he plays with Tyreke teams will be sagging off both of them alot, yes brockman i think his off is gonna improve to. Trade noc for who, who will take him maybe the griz will give us Mayo or Gay for him..lol

 

[KingsCitizen]

Trade Noc for an All-Star? Throw in Tyreke and you've got a deal.

It doesn't have to be always like that. There are a lot of lopsided trades that have happened in this league. Capspace can do a lot things and we have that this summer and next season. Camby to Clippers for a nonsense second round pick is an example. Or maybe you can check the reason why the Jazz give up Brewer to the Grizz.

I'm not saying that's the only logical idea I can think. But it would be cool that we get our share of lopsided trades, especially if we can do it this summer.

And I'm saying possibly a "borderline" all-star (a.k.a. Kevin Martin level), in case you don't know the difference.

 

[kingofthejungle]

Thanks for the f/b

I revised the proposal above to add that Nocioni would be traded to the Bucks for the expiring contract of Dan Gadzuric. Although the Kings sign Brewer, they would remain 20 million under the cap next year as a result of this transaction assuming that they would sign Brewer to approx MLE-type money.

I agree that my biggest concern in adding Brewer would be outside shooting, but one can hope that both Evans and Brewer would have improved some by next year. On all other levels, however, consider the improvements... length, youth, athleticism, work-ethic, defense, mismatches, etc. Also, consider that the Kings have other sharp shooters in the backcourt (Udrih and Garcia) as well as the front court (Casspi, Greene, Thompson and Landry continue to improve, Hawes at least believes he can shoot it consistently ...).

 

[kingofthejungle]

Tweaking the plan (a bit)

So I'm going to tweak my initial proposal some b/c 1) this thread seems to have died and 2) I'm getting the vibe that the Kings are unlikely to spend any free agent money this offseason unless the perfect opportunity arises.

Kings select Demarcus Cousins w/ the 3rd pick.

Kings select Dominique Jones w/ the 33rd pick.

Kings re-sign John Brockman.

Kings trade Andres Nocioni for Dan Gadzuric (expiring contact).

Evans/Udrih
Garcia/Jones
Greene/Casspi
Landry/Thompson/Brockman
Cousins/Hawes

Does this do anything for you?

 

[LWP777]

So I'm going to tweak my initial proposal some b/c 1) this thread seems to have died and 2) I'm getting the vibe that the Kings are unlikely to spend any free agent money this offseason unless the perfect opportunity arises.

Kings select Demarcus Cousins w/ the 3rd pick.

Kings select Dominique Jones w/ the 33rd pick.

Kings re-sign John Brockman.

Kings trade Andres Nocioni for Dan Gadzuric (expiring contact).

Evans/Udrih
Garcia/Jones
Greene/Casspi
Landry/Thompson/Brockman
Cousins/Hawes

Does this do anything for you?

I would be happy with Cousins (really I'll be happy as long as the Kings draft in the top 4). I would be thrilled to get rid of Noc. I would be disappointed if we don't bring in a FA that can help the team. I think that team right there would maybe win 35 games.

 

[JayBird]

The obvious goal is to win a championship. Looking at the past championship teams of this decade, there are 3 things that they all had in common:

1) A player that demands a double team (Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe). We will already have that next year with Tyreke.

2) A wing player that can hit the open 3 (Fisher, Bowen, Ginobili, Ray Allen). When the double teams came, one of these guys was always just sitting there in the corner, waiting to hit the wide open 3 from their sweet spot. This is what we don't have, and what we should go after in free agency (and not the draft). I love Ronnie Brewer's game, but he' a career 23% 3 pt. shooter, so that is not who I would go after to fill the void. I've given up on the thought of Cisco turning into that player for us, despite how much I loved him at Louisville.

3) A big man who can bang, block shots, and rebound the damn ball (Shaq, Duncan, Garnett). This is NOT Spencer Hawes, and this is NOT Jason Thompson. This very well could be Demarcus Cousins (which is why I would draft him even with the #1 pick). Throw Brockman into the mix with Cousins, and we got ourselves some potential.

So the way I see it, we're 1/3 of the way to becoming a contender. For me, adding Cousins, an outside shooter, and the development of Tyreke's jumpshot, will go a long way in turning the franchise around.

Just my .02.

 

[CruzDude]

Jaybird make some very valid points. The Kings definitely need outside/3-pt shooters on the bench who can stay in front of the guy they are guarding. If they cover those three points I venture 20-22 game improvement and Westphale as COY. There will need to be at least 1-2 vets in the mix, Cisco maybe being one.

 

[Jaylee209]

pick Cousins or Favors
sign CJ Watson for outside shooting
Trade noc and Spencer for Dalembert
sign a vet pg

 

[Capt. Factorial]

2) A wing player that can hit the open 3 (Fisher, Bowen, Ginobili, Ray Allen). When the double teams came, one of these guys was always just sitting there in the corner, waiting to hit the wide open 3 from their sweet spot. This is what we don't have, and what we should go after in free agency (and not the draft). I love Ronnie Brewer's game, but he' a career 23% 3 pt. shooter, so that is not who I would go after to fill the void. I've given up on the thought of Cisco turning into that player for us, despite how much I loved him at Louisville.

Why? He wasn't such a great shooter his first two years, but he has shot between .390 and .398 from three each of the past three years. That's better than Ray Allen's total since he left Milwaukee (.388); Ginobili has only bested .385 twice in his eight years; Fisher has bested .385 seven times in 14 years. Bowen's .405 with the Spurs outclasses Garcia, but he almost exclusively shot the high-percentage three from the corner. I'm not quite sure what separates those guys from Garcia in terms of three point shooting.

 

[bajaden]

Why? He wasn't such a great shooter his first two years, but he has shot between .390 and .398 from three each of the past three years. That's better than Ray Allen's total since he left Milwaukee (.388); Ginobili has only bested .385 twice in his eight years; Fisher has bested .385 seven times in 14 years. Bowen's .405 with the Spurs outclasses Garcia, but he almost exclusively shot the high-percentage three from the corner. I'm not quite sure what separates those guys from Garcia in terms of three point shooting.

I have to agree with you. Cisco is the best spot up three point shooter on the team. His biggest problem of late is just staying healthy. Aside from injuries, his next biggest problem is just trying to do too much. He still makes an ill advised pass from time to time, or passes up a wide open shot and drives into traffic for a more difficult one. Cisco is a decent to good ballhandler. But his ballhandling isn't good enough once he gets into heavy traffic. He also has the bad habit of picking up his dribble when the other team is tryng to trap him.

But I'm nit picking here. His game has improved greatly since arriving in sacramento. He'll never be a star, and perhaps never a regular starter. But he's certainly a valuable player to have on your bench. Every good team needs players like Cisco.

 

[bajaden]

There's been some speculation on this fourm about aquiring Greg Oden. I thought this was an interesting little blog about him and the team.



Ben has the transcript of the latest Greg Oden show on 95.5 The Game. I find it interesting that he seems so disconnected from his team right now. When I asked where he was a while back and people assumed he was around the team, just not sitting out on the bench. But he’s not been in town, even. He plans on being in the Rose Garden for Game 6 Thursday, but he’s had remarkably little contact with his teammates lately and doesn’t appear to have made a lot of progress in his recovery.
I do not understand players not being around their teams in the playoffs. I believe it should be mandatory. Oh yeah, people say he can’t sit on the bench because it’s painful, right? But it’s fine to get on an airplane and fly back and forth to Indiana? Sorry, but they could make allowances for him in the Rose Garden. They could find him room if he wanted to be there, trust me.

 

[JayBird]

Why? He wasn't such a great shooter his first two years, but he has shot between .390 and .398 from three each of the past three years. That's better than Ray Allen's total since he left Milwaukee (.388); Ginobili has only bested .385 twice in his eight years; Fisher has bested .385 seven times in 14 years. Bowen's .405 with the Spurs outclasses Garcia, but he almost exclusively shot the high-percentage three from the corner. I'm not quite sure what separates those guys from Garcia in terms of three point shooting.

True, but as bajaden pointed out, you have to take the good with the bad when it comes to Cisco, and I'm not sure that his improved shooting outweighs all of the stupid things he tends to do on the court. Every time he's got the ball in his hands, running the break, I just hold my breath hoping he doesn't pull up and take a 3, or try to make some ill-advised pass and end up turning the ball over. Reminds me a lot of how I felt when Jason Williams was running the show for us - you knew he was talented, but his decision-making left a lot to be desired.

And I'm hoping Cisco proves me wrong and shows that he can mature and limit the stupid mistakes, but as of now, I'm not sold on him as our future starting outside threat. I wouldn't mind him as the 6th or 7th man though.

And he's had a couple of serious injuries as well... not sure if that qualifies him as "injury-prone", but after Peja, that's always gotta be in the back of your mind too.

 

[KingsCitizen]

If we're doubtful on Cisco's progress. Mike Miller will be a free agent. And I won't mind putting him next to Tyreke. He's a 10-year vet role player with good shooting percentage. Spent most of his time in cellar dweller teams like Memphis, Minni, and now Wash. So I can't see him declining an offer from the Kings.

And btw, he was Rookie Of the Year in 00-01. Maybe that'll put some interesting story when he will play beside the ROY the years after him.

 

[Prince_XY]

True, but as bajaden pointed out, you have to take the good with the bad when it comes to Cisco, and I'm not sure that his improved shooting outweighs all of the stupid things he tends to do on the court. Every time he's got the ball in his hands, running the break, I just hold my breath hoping he doesn't pull up and take a 3, or try to make some ill-advised pass and end up turning the ball over. Reminds me a lot of how I felt when Jason Williams was running the show for us - you knew he was talented, but his decision-making left a lot to be desired.

And I'm hoping Cisco proves me wrong and shows that he can mature and limit the stupid mistakes, but as of now, I'm not sold on him as our future starting outside threat. I wouldn't mind him as the 6th or 7th man though.

And he's had a couple of serious injuries as well... not sure if that qualifies him as "injury-prone", but after Peja, that's always gotta be in the back of your mind too.

Very true.

Cisco is nice to have but only as a 6th or 7th man.

 

[bajaden]

If we're doubtful on Cisco's progress. Mike Miller will be a free agent. And I won't mind putting him next to Tyreke. He's a 10-year vet role player with good shooting percentage. Spent most of his time in cellar dweller teams like Memphis, Minni, and now Wash. So I can't see him declining an offer from the Kings.

And btw, he was Rookie Of the Year in 00-01. Maybe that'll put some interesting story when he will play beside the ROY the years after him.

I've always been a big fan of Millers. He's a great role player and a very good shooter. He's also an underated defender. Plus he's a good rebounder for a SG/SF, and a pretty good passer. The downside is that he'll turn 30 in Feb and has been plagued by little nagging injuries throughout his career. I think I'd be reluctant to sign him to a long term contract for any substantial amount of money. I'd have to think about it.

Lets see who we aquire in the draft first. If we end with Turner, then it becomes a moot point.

 

[Uncia03]

I wasn't a big fan of the contract that Garcia received, though it isn't terrible. I just didn't feel as if what he brought to the table was worth that much money.

However, when Tyreke started to explode, Garcia looked to me to be one of the best players you could possibly put at the SG spot next to him, and that to me made him well worth his contract.

With that said, it's all going to come down to how that wrist impacts his play. If he can fully recover, and get back to being that great spot shooter from three, with tenacious defense, high intensity, and great leadership then I want him on our team.

If we draft Turner or Wall, he'd have to come off the bench, but I think the things he brings compliments both Tyreke and Wall perfectly.

If we draft Cousins or Favors then I want him starting at the SG spot next to Tyreke with Beno playing the Jason Terry/Jamal Crawford scoring guard role off the bench.

Now if he can't shoot a high percentage from the outside due to his wrist, then we have a problem and should probably look to see if there is any way to move him for a different piece.

 

[bajaden]

I wasn't a big fan of the contract that Garcia received, though it isn't terrible. I just didn't feel as if what he brought to the table was worth that much money.

However, when Tyreke started to explode, Garcia looked to me to be one of the best players you could possibly put at the SG spot next to him, and that to me made him well worth his contract.

With that said, it's all going to come down to how that wrist impacts his play. If he can fully recover, and get back to being that great spot shooter from three, with tenacious defense, high intensity, and great leadership then I want him on our team.

If we draft Turner or Wall, he'd have to come off the bench, but I think the things he brings compliments both Tyreke and Wall perfectly.

If we draft Cousins or Favors then I want him starting at the SG spot next to Tyreke with Beno playing the Jason Terry/Jamal Crawford scoring guard role off the bench.

Now if he can't shoot a high percentage from the outside due to his wrist, then we have a problem and should probably look to see if there is any way to move him for a different piece.

I always thought that in a perfect world, Cisco is a player that comes off the bench. I really like Cisco. He's one of those players thats fairly good at everything, but not great at anything.. So in my perfect world, every starter on the team is great at something. I'm not picky about what. Just be great at some element of the game. Offense, defense, rebounding etc. Something! And if you can be great at more than one thing, thats even better. Its my belief that if you put five players on the floor that are all great at something, your going to win a lot more games than you lose.

So unfortunately Cisco doesn't fit into my perfect world as a starter. That doesn't mean that for a period of time he won't be the best player we have at that position capable of starting. But he's not a long term answer. Great player to have on the bench though. And for the moment, the best spot up shooter on the team. Greene and Casspi might push him next year though.

 

[Kingster]

You can't count on Cisco. He's injury prone. You can't count on Brewer. He's not an upper tier talent. It's easy. You draft Turner and then you have an All-Star for the next 10 years. Then you draft Pittman in the 2nd, he goes to a marathon camp, becomes a stamina stud, and you have a guy who demands a double team in the post. Then if you haven't already, you get season tickets so you can see several playoff and championship series upcoming. Easy peezy...

 

[bajaden]

You can't count on Cisco. He's injury prone. You can't count on Brewer. He's not an upper tier talent. It's easy. You draft Turner and then you have an All-Star for the next 10 years. Then you draft Pittman in the 2nd, he goes to a marathon camp, becomes a stamina stud, and you have a guy who demands a double team in the post. Then if you haven't already, you get season tickets so you can see several playoff and championship series upcoming. Easy peezy...

I just love flawless logic...

 

[Prince_XY]

....if we could just have a clone of Doug Christie and make him play for the Kings again....

Sigh....