Angels Screwed by Umpire's Idiocracy

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thesanityannex

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I can not believe the umpires just handed the Angels a loss tonight. That was the worst call in baseball I've seen. And this wasn't just some regular season game. Even if the pitch was close to hitting the dirt, the umpire can't make that call. Now I'm listening to the idiot who was batting saying he's sure it hit the ground, but thanks to instant replay, we viewers at home all know it didn't hit the ground. This is awful. Reminds me of a poorly called game six a few years ago. The homeplate umpire even calls the guy out, and then calls him safe. wtf????????



Whatever, the Angels own the Whitesox.


Please initiate instant replay.
 
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As much as it pains me to give any credit to the White Sox :) that call could have gone either way. After looking at numerous replays (in HD :) ) it looks like ball just barely bounces of the ground. Either way your eyes might be playing a trick on you.

I give AJ credit for running to first.
 
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Should Angels lose this series, they will have their "Bartman" story like Cubs did.

Looking at it more. It was a bad call.

I guess God lives on the South Side :(
 
uolj

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I only saw the replay. It looked like the ball hit the ground. Either way it is close enough that you can't blame the umpire for thinking it did.

That whole signaling out but not saying it thing was a little odd though.
 
nebs

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Now if that would have happened about 5 other times to the Angels in that game, I'd say it might compare to what happened in game 6 of the WCF.
 
Evenstar

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i was watching the game ( abeit in a resturant, not up close) and it was VERY close. it could have gone either way.

it went in favor of the white sox.

i can't really say this call pisses me off as i am rooting for the white sox, but i'd rather they have outright won the game instead of winning off a controversial call.
 
bozzwell

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thesanityannex said:
bullsh*t.

Thankfully I have zoom on my t.v.

The ball was caught cleanly.
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Even though I am a Cubs fan and Jerry Reinsdorf hater, I have to say this:

No matter what, as a catcher you cannot see home=plate umpires signals and as a matter of routine you tag the batter on third strike if there is any doubt (i.e. if glove touches the ground).

You never, EVER roll the ball back towards the mound so casually on third out of a close game. Otherwise, you let the umpire decide the game. Sox were lucky but they deserved to win. Angels blew it.
 
hoopsfan

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bozzwell said:
Sox were lucky but they deserved to win. Angels blew it.
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It wasn't the Angels that blew it. Ump called strike 3..3rd out..inning over. HE blew it.
Should have gone to extra innings and let the teams decide the game.
 
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nebs said:
Now if that would have happened about 5 other times to the Angels in that game, I'd say it might compare to what happened in game 6 of the WCF.
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Cannot agree with you more.

About the call. What kind of BS was that? 3rd strike called, end of regulation and on to extra innings, that's it. Don't call it an out unless you're 100% sure. Man, I'm so pissed right now, I don't even know what to say. The white sox swear they're a good team. Reality will definately hit hard in anaheim. Angels in 5.
 
iheartBrad

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Its unfortunate...but at the same time in a close game like that catcher should tagged the batter...its pretty much routine...it was a close call I can't blame the umps that much on this...and I love to blame officials in any sport any time I get the chance...I mean if the Angels got screwed all game long or if this was like a game 7 scenario then I could really see the outrage but its game 2 and now the series is tied...its like the series didn't even start yet...theres some good baseball in that series left
 
Monty'sBiggestFan

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It wouldn't have been so bad for me personally, if that jackass A.J. Pierzinsky wasn't being praised as a heady ball player. Since when did this guy sprout a brain? For the love of Doubleday, I can't stand that guy.

I thought from my unzoomed TV vantage point that it was as the broadcasters claimed, that the ball did bounce...off the twines of Paul's mitt. He got his glove under the ball - which in my book is a catch not in need of a throw to first.


But didn't you just know the game winning hit was coming after that happened? Even when Escobar got up in the count I saw a hit coming...it just works like that.
 
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hoopsfan said:
It wasn't the Angels that blew it. Ump called strike 3..3rd out..inning over. HE blew it.
Should have gone to extra innings and let the teams decide the game.
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Ump called strike 3, but he did not call out. It was up to the catcher to tag AJ out to make sure he was out. He was consistent with making calls like that all game long and verbally caling if somebody was really out. Both catchers should have been aware of that by the ninth inning. AJ had a presence of mind to run to the first after not hearing him verbally call out.

The only disputable thing is did ball hit the ground or not. And that call really could go either way. Angel's catcher made a mental mistake IMO. As much as it pains me :) White Sox won that game fair, just like there was a bad call in game one that could have left the game tied at 2-2 instead ot giving the Angles 2 lead.
 
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vj9999 said:
Ump called strike 3, but he did not call out. It was up to the catcher to tag AJ out to make sure he was out. He was consistent with making calls like that all game long and verbally caling if somebody was really out. Both catchers should have been aware of that by the ninth inning. AJ had a presence of mind to run to the first after not hearing him verbally call out.

The only disputable thing is did ball hit the ground or not. And that call really could go either way. Angel's catcher made a mental mistake IMO. As much as it pains me :) White Sox won that game fair, just like there was a bad call in game one that could have left the game tied at 2-2 instead ot giving the Angles 2 lead.
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Anytime a catcher has a doubt, he tags the runner...bottomline. This catcher obviously knew he had caught the ball, so why would he tag the runner??? Mental mistake on his part, hardly. Mental mistake on the ump, for sure. The ump clearly points to the dugout, signalling a swing and a miss, then clenches his fist to signal an out. Anytime a ball hits the ground, the ump also says that to the catcher, who then tags or throws to first. Even AJ thought he was out at first as he crossed out of his batter's box, he hesitated, then ran. AJ's claim he heard it hit the ground is complete B.S. I'm sure he heard it with 50,000 fans screaming. I just watched 1st and 10 today on ESPN and they showed a frame by frame digitally enhanced that showed the ball was clearly a catch.

Boo on the ump, he froze up in a crucial situation and made an awful call.





Slim- Idiocracy is a word I crafted out of Idiocy.
 
Monty'sBiggestFan

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I'll give AJackass Pierzynski credit on this point, I think he did hear Paul's glove scuff the ground even with the crowd noise, otherwise he had no reason to run. He sure as hell could not have seen the ball bounce and figure he should haul down to first, even though the ump called him out. I can't even imagine that in a split second he figured even though the the ball was caught, he'd been called out and everybody in red was walking off the field that he could dupe Eddings into reversing himself AND/OR dupe Paul into throwing the ball needlessly to first base.

Eddings seemed to be the only person in any doubt about what happened because he signaled and called one thing and then changed course for goodness knows what reason. That's why his crying about how the replays aren't conclusive are ludicrous. Of course they aren't you can't possibly have a replay validate or overturn one call when you made TWO!!!!!!!!!
 
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Just got done watching Rome is Burning and Jim had A.J. on his show for an interview. A.J. first says he heard the ball hit the ground, then goes on to say he couldn't hear a thing so he didn't know if the ump called him out. How does that work, he can hear the ball hit, but not the ump's call?


On a similar play earlier in the game, the ump tells A.J. the ball hit the dirt, so A.J. tags the batter out. Where was the ump saying this on the last pitch?
 
iheartBrad

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I love the idea of instant replay in sports but not in major league baseball not for anything at any point in the season...

Baseball is suppose to be "Americas National past time" a traditional game...baseball IMO doesn't need instant replay...I think baseball umps are the best of any sport and controversies of this magnitude doesn't happen very often...they get most calls correct...its not like football where if they didn't have instant replay their would be like 3-4 controversial calls a game...I love it for the NFL/college, its great for hockey (disputing whether or not its a goal) and I think the NBA should use it for more than reviewing end of the quarter end of the half made shots but baseball...no thanks
 
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Baseball should only implement instant replay during the playoffs for calls such as these (game changing calls)
 
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In my opinion they should either use it all the time or not use it at all. Mistakes happen. I am the first one to get on refs case when they screw up against the Kings :), but human factor is what makes baseball more fun. Sometimes you get a bad call in your favor and sometimes it goes against you.

I think White Sox pitcher pitched an awesome game the other night and because of this call that is undermined.

I am guessing from your passionate comments on the subject that you are Angels fan and I totally understand where you are coming from.

As a Cubsfan, should they take into consideration changeing the rules with crowd interference?! That would take out that human factor out of the game too and arguably, the Bartman incident from 2 years ago was a game/series changing moment for us........but then again we are cursed :)
 
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