and with the #31 pick in the 2009 NBA draft, the Kings select...

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I was just thinking, we don't know where we'll wind up in the lottery, we don't even know for sure where Houston's pick will end up, but we DO know that we get the 31st pick. This will be a far cry from Geoff's usual mid-late 2nd round pick, which he doesn't seem to put any real research into. This will be right after Boston, Cleveland and LAL have their first rounders. This is a pick that might actually result in our getting a decent bench player.

Now that we have a LOCK on #31, who would you like it to be?
 
Benny Woodside.

But really, with two first rounders in the mix, my bet is on an international player unless Petrie takes one with the Houston pick.

Lots of guys with proven college careers fall out of the first round because of the "upside" picks, so a guy like Blair could be there because of height/athleticism issues. Also players like Tyler Smith, Damian James, or college seniors who've had solid careers are usually available.
 
Draftexpress actually has several members mancrush Patty Mills falling to us at this pick. Regardless of his limitations this would be a great coup if it happened. There's no doubt he has high upside even with the red flags (heigh and shaky shooting).
 
If we don't end up with Rubio, and we don't take a PG with Houston's pick, we'll be almost forced to take a point here. I figure somebody is bound to fall, whether it's Mills or Collison or Maynor, and barring that, Woodside is at least intriguing, though he might be more of an undrafted camp invite guy than a #31.

Omri Casspi would also be an interesting pick if he doesn't go in the first round.
 
I'm actually optimistic that there are alot of good prospects around this area than other years. Some guys who some mock drafts have slipping are Dajuan Summers, Omri Casspi, Collison, Llull (wouldn't mind him if we don't get a PG with our other picks).

Combined with our Houston pick, if we could get any two of the following, I'd be very happy:

Terrence Williams, Teague, Mullins, Maynor, Curry, Evans, Flynn, Mills, Casspi, Collison, Lawson, and to a lesser extent, AJ Price, Christmas, and maybe I'm forgetting a few others.

It's unlikely that some of the above mentioned will fall to either of our later picks, but there are always some surprises.
 
I am not well versed enough to know who the Kings would pick at this point, but here is what I do know:

1. The Kings get the "look who fell through the first round/clean up pick" and will likely be a "hey, we were not expecting this guy to be available" sort of decision. Wasn't Hawes a case like this? (BTW, in retrospect, I am sure glad Joakim Noah was drafted first... Hawes is much better than that troublemaker)

2. With losses to San Antonio and Denver, the Kings second first round pick continues to improve.

3. If a quality PG is available, I would be curious to see if a team would be willing to trade down for the Kings 20-something pick and the 31 pick... the Kings NEED a PG.

Should be interesting... Also, the coaching search should prove interesting as well... I am really getting excited about this draft.
 
NoBonus said:
I am not well versed enough to know who the Kings would pick at this point, but here is what I do know:

1. The Kings get the "look who fell through the first round/clean up pick" and will likely be a "hey, we were not expecting this guy to be available" sort of decision. Wasn't Hawes a case like this? (BTW, in retrospect, I am sure glad Joakim Noah was drafted first... Hawes is much better than that troublemaker)
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No, Hawes was basically the only big left at our pick, and we needed a big. He was the player we least wanted, and we would have taken Noah had he been there. That said, I am happy with Hawes, but that's how it happened at the time. Hawes was considered the dropoff point.
 
I doubt we draft an international player to stash away, unless you meant one to bring over. Since we'll only have 8 players signed to next season, we'd need the 3 picks to fill out our roster.
 
Capt. Factorial;618227 Omri Casspi would also be an interesting pick if he doesn't go in the first round.[/quote said:
And I believe Omri was actually one of Jason's clients before he joined us as Assistant GM. So I wouldn't be suprised if we snagged him with Houston's pick or our second rounder.
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Sptsjunkie said:
And I believe Omri was actually one of Jason's clients before he joined us as Assistant GM. So I wouldn't be suprised if we snagged him with Houston's pick or our second rounder.
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That's correct, which leads me to the same speculation. If Donte had blown us away this year it would be one thing, but given his performance, it would be nice to have another young wing guy.
 
Dime Dropper said:
No, Hawes was basically the only big left at our pick, and we needed a big. He was the player we least wanted, and we would have taken Noah had he been there. That said, I am happy with Hawes, but that's how it happened at the time. Hawes was considered the dropoff point.
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I'm not so sure about Petrie wanting to draft Noah. Personaly, I didn't want Noah at the time and I was happy with the pick of Hawes. When you look at Petrie's record, he tends to lean toward skilled players, and Hawes is far more skilled than Noah.
 
bajaden said:
I'm not so sure about Petrie wanting to draft Noah. Personaly, I didn't want Noah at the time and I was happy with the pick of Hawes. When you look at Petrie's record, he tends to lean toward skilled players, and Hawes is far more skilled than Noah.
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I hear what you're saying, but at the time there was alot of rumblings about GP apparently really being high on Noah. Could have been a smokescreen, but I doubt it. All signs pointed towards Petrie wanting to nab Noah.
 
bajaden said:
I'm not so sure about Petrie wanting to draft Noah. When you look at Petrie's record, he tends to lean toward skilled players, and Hawes is far more skilled than Noah.
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I agree with this as well. There's no given that Petrie would have gone with Noah. Looking back, it was the right call. Many Kings fans were hoping for Noah, but that's why we're not in the big chair. (I as well, prefer Hawes.)

One thing that should be noted is that there is a lot of value in the lower draft picks this year. That doesn't mean that you'll definitely find a gem, but you'll definitely find someone who fits being picked at that spot...if that makes any sense. I guess another way to say it is that there's a lot of lower-end talent available, which doesn't necessarily speak well about the overall talent, but there will be a lot of decent choices available and the FO that does their homework should be able to find the right guy to fill out the bench.
Casspi is a guy that makes sense.
 
Spike said:
I agree with this as well. There's no given that Petrie would have gone with Noah. Looking back, it was the right call. Many Kings fans were hoping for Noah, but that's why we're not in the big chair. (I as well, prefer Hawes.)

One thing that should be noted is that there is a lot of value in the lower draft picks this year. That doesn't mean that you'll definitely find a gem, but you'll definitely find someone who fits being picked at that spot...if that makes any sense. I guess another way to say it is that there's a lot of lower-end talent available, which doesn't necessarily speak well about the overall talent, but there will be a lot of decent choices available and the FO that does their homework should be able to find the right guy to fill out the bench.
Casspi is a guy that makes sense.
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It's not a given, but it's likely that if he had the choice, he would have taken Noah. GP was very high on him at the time (I specifically remember leading up to the draft there was alot of Noah praise coming out of the Kings camp). And he didn't choose Hawes over Noah, he was the only big left. Pretty much had to take him. Might have turned out better for us, but it doesn't change that Petrie was most likely disappointed that Noah wasn't on the board.

BTW, I like Casspi. He has some baggage, though. Talented, but a bit of a knucklehead.
 
id say we get another point guard... heres how it should go

trade beno to the hawks for speedy claxton and 2nd round pick
(i know they can use beno in some way as a back up PG or if bibby bolts)

1st round draft pick draft rubio
using Houstons pick draft omri casspi
using the 31st draft sergio llull
using the hawks 2nd round pick draft a bigman to back up hawes and JT

if we can resign diogu for minimum cost or some better servicable big man

so the new line up would be

Rubio/llul
Martin/ Garcia
Nocioni/Omri/Greene
Thompson/Diogu
Hawes/Bigman from draft
 
Dime Dropper said:
It's not a given, but it's likely that if he had the choice, he would have taken Noah. GP was very high on him at the time (I specifically remember leading up to the draft there was alot of Noah praise coming out of the Kings camp). And he didn't choose Hawes over Noah, he was the only big left. Pretty much had to take him. Might have turned out better for us, but it doesn't change that Petrie was most likely disappointed that Noah wasn't on the board.

BTW, I like Casspi. He has some baggage, though. Talented, but a bit of a knucklehead.
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Tough call; at this point it's all speculation. It wouldn't be the first time someone's spoken highly of a player only to go with someone else. We'll never know. It's true that Hawes was the only big left. Not that the question needs to be asked, but would he have gone with Noah had the situation been reversed?

Other than Casspi, are there other Intl players that would fit around that pick?
 
31st Pick

It all depends on how the lottery falls out. If we get number 1 or 2 then we will be picking different players. I think at #1 we would have to take griffin. At #2 we would have to see if Wall/Rubio are comming out and make that decision. If we are at #3 (or at worst #4) and Wall is not allowed to enter the draft, then I think we have to see about trading for more picks. Minnesota (#'s 6, 18 & 28) could give us 2-for-1. New Jersey (#'s 11 & 21). Or Memphis (#'s 5 & 27). Fill out the roster with young guys and see who sticks. If we end up with 3 first rounders and #31, we can fill out our roster and add a one or two of these guys (and maybe Donte) to a package with Beno and KT or Noch to get a vet or a big expiring contract for 2010. If we do trade and end up with the 4 picks, I would take 2 PG's and 1 big and 1 swing (unless two talented bigs slip into the lower picks. That way if/when we trade Beno, we have first and second string covered.

Possible Second rounders I would like to see are: O. Casspi, D. Summers, D. Collison, D. Green, N. Cathes, AJ Price, S. Llull.

My Dream Scenario if we don't get #1 is:
Trade with Minnesota for #'s 6 & 18 (Pretty Unlikely) and get #6 Greg Monroe PF/C, #18 Eric Maynor PG, #25 Lawal PF and #31 Collison/Mills/Llull in that order.

That give them a Potentiall good 4 man rotation at the 4 and 5 spots and two PG's to handle the rotation at the 1. Fill in the blanks with salalry cap casualties at the minimum. We still won't bee a great team next year, but if we get a decent pick in a slightly deeper draft Next year with a ton of young tallent. Rebuild ala Portland.
 
I agree that there are some interesting prospects late in the first and early second round. And there's always going to be that one player that slides all the way from the lottery to the bottom of the first round. Who we pick with the 31st pick will probably depend on who we pick with our 1st and 2nd first round picks.

Patty Mills, Casspi, and Danny Green are all possible picks there. Jermine Taylor is an interesting player. I also like Nick Calathes, a point guard with size that can also play the shooting guard position.

If you want to take a flyer on someone that seems to have fallen off the radar screen, why not take a risk at 31 and draft Alade Aminu. Anyone that watched Georgia Tech play this year knows that with the talent they had they should have been better. Aminu is 6'10" and has a huge wingspan. He's athletic and has upside. He was, in my opinion misused, this year and forced to play away from the basket far too often, which hurt his rebounding. He runs like a deer and has good hands. He's a bit of a project, but at 31, if you can get a big man with great promise, why not?

All this of course would be moot if we end up drafting Griffin or Thabeet or Hill. But if we were to draft Rubio and then someone like Williams or Budinger, then maybe you would take a chance on someone like Aminu.
 
bajaden said:
Its possible he might slip down to the 24th or 25 pick, but I doubt he would slide all the way to 31. Last year Donte was projected as a possible lottery pick, and he slid all the way down to Houston.
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It's hard to say whether Holiday would stay in the draft if he were to think he would slip that far. My guess is that without a lottery promise he'll be back at UCLA next year to run the point full time and push his way back into the lottery. So I don't think he'll be there for us mid-20s.
 
bajaden said:
If you want to take a flyer on someone that seems to have fallen off the radar screen, why not take a risk at 31 and draft Alade Aminu. Anyone that watched Georgia Tech play this year knows that with the talent they had they should have been better. Aminu is 6'10" and has a huge wingspan. He's athletic and has upside. He was, in my opinion misused, this year and forced to play away from the basket far too often, which hurt his rebounding. He runs like a deer and has good hands. He's a bit of a project, but at 31, if you can get a big man with great promise, why not?
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I'm on board for Aminu as well. I was surprised at how good he is...definitely an under the radar big.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
It's hard to say whether Holiday would stay in the draft if he were to think he would slip that far. My guess is that without a lottery promise he'll be back at UCLA next year to run the point full time and push his way back into the lottery. So I don't think he'll be there for us mid-20s.
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Your probably right, and it would be the best case senario for him even if he didn't slide. If he returns to UCLA and proves to be a good point guard he could move up to the top five next year. Big IF though.
 
I was exploring some of the second round players on DraftExpress and came across a Spanish PG Sergio Llull. Now I have NEVER seen him play, but his write up sounds very interesting. I put the link in below, but the short summary is a pure PG with good shooting and intense D with good enough lateral movement and size. He probably won't be able to come to the US for another year or two, but could be a good pick at #31 and we don't really need more than 2 more rookies next season anyway.

Does anyone know anything else about him?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sergio-Llull-5023/
 
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