Anaheim Ducks hurting

DrewTheRipper said:
The Royals would flourish here, without a doubt.

This is a basketball and baseball region. The Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, and Angels are doing extremely well in both financials and fan support. The Royals would enjoy that success, no doubt about it.
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Really? Are you making stuff up, out of touch, or just incapable of doing research?

The Dodgers just needed a loan from fox for $30M to stay afloat. Selig just took over control of the Dodgers today. He cited "deep concerns about their finances". So I ask you, how exactly does that equate to "doing extremely well in both financials and fan support"?
 
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Aenadin said:
both losing money??

I don't see how it would work mathematically if they are both losing money

-1 + -1 = - 2

I don't see it making ANY business sense also if another fanbase of a sports team is ailing... given that it's still struggling despite recent success and having another team alongside it right? (LA kings are near them right..)

I'd like to see the disparity between LA and Clipper fanbase, adding a third factor, the maloofs better be ready to shell out money to keep a steady flow of attendance. I don't know what they see in anaheim really.
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Well, the article states that with an NBA team in Samueli's building he may turn a profit. Now, then there's the question of how much, or if they could turn a profit in an over saturated market.
 
The Dodgers are doing fine. McCourt didn't have a ton of money to begin with. I never liked that idea of him being owner because he was a shaky millionaire from the get go. He needed help to buy the Dodgers in the first place. I am glad he's gone. The Dodgers have never lacked fan support. They always have drawn well. The Dodgers drew over 115,000 for a preseason game at Coliseum a few years ago for crying out loud. The team is a money maker, the owner was always on the verge of being broke.

There are a few things you need to understand about us, the news is definitely circling, but there is no secret that we aren't as urgent as you guys are. The situationes aren't even close to being similiar.

You guys are far more desperate. That's not a secret. You guys definitely need the team far more than we do. Anaheim will be fine with or without the Royals, while Sacramento will be in even bigger shambles if you lose the Royals, I get it, I really do. That doesn't mean that we aren't excited though. The Royals can tap into the OC market and perhaps even the San Diego market, believe it or not, not everyone down here are Laker fans, many despise the Lakers and would have no problem supporting a new team.

I see a ton of positives with this move. The possibilities out here are definitely larger and more abundant, you can't deny that.

To the guy claiming that "if you put a good product on floor people will support"
I mean, can't that be said about any market? My whole point was arguing the whole "fairweather fan" thing, isn't that what a fairweather fan is? Or am I mistaking? Face it, you guys are humans and don't enjoy pumping your money into a bad product just like anyone else. Go to any city in america and you will find that is true. Bad product = lower fan support. Great product = great fan support. That's my whole point. You guys aren't any more special than any other fanbase.
 
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MDM said:
No. You are mistaken. A fairweather fan is someone that is a fan of the team only when it is good. When the team is terrible, one can not go to games, not suffer through watching miserable "entertainment" on TV, and avoid the fairweather label by, when push comes to shove, always saying "I'm a Kings fan." There are a lot of Kings fans like this.
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Exactly. It seems to be common for people to conflate bandwagon/fair-weather fan with just showing a normal drop in interest in the bad times. Bandwagoning is like when someone is all of a sudden a Heat fan when they sign LeBron or a Knicks fan when they sign Carmello even though they were never fans of those teams before.

When you're just frustrated with your team being terrible so you don't go to or watch as many games as you used to, that isn't bandwagoning. There's a correlation between level of fan interest and team quality. Anyone who thinks that's not how the world works is being naive. It doesn't necessarily mean you bail altogether when the team is bad, but the majority of people just aren't going to show the same level of interest and commitment that they did when the team was good.

Having said that, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being a bandwagon fan. I’m a bandwagon fan of other teams when they’re doing good. The Kings I’m always a fan of though, even when they’re awful and it’s a love/hate type of thing.
 
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DrewTheRipper said:
There are a few things you need to understand about us, the news is definitely circling, but there is no secret that we aren't as urgent as you guys are. The situationes aren't even close to being similiar.

You guys are far more desperate. That's not a secret. You guys definitely need the team far more than we do. Anaheim will be fine with or without the Royals, while Sacramento will be in even bigger shambles if you lose the Royals, I get it, I really do. That doesn't mean that we aren't excited though. The Royals can tap into the OC market and perhaps even the San Diego market, believe it or not, not everyone down here are Laker fans, many despise the Lakers and would have no problem supporting a new team.
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Even as you try to refute my point you are proving it further.

But first a side note. "Urgent" and "shambles" are hyperbole. I love the Kings and would be incredibly disappointed to see them go, but let's not overstate things. It's a basketball team, a wonderful source of entertainment and civic pride but let's not overstate things here.

That said, in your third paragraph you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You can try to tell me how "excited" Anaheim is right after you tell me that you don't really need the team. Or that once again, "news is circling" about a move that has been widely discussed for months now. People either care or they don't, and the vast majority of Orange County very obviously doesn't care. Watch the news report that was linked here where they had trouble finding anyone in a sports bar (of all places) in Anaheim that even said they'd support the Kings if they moved there.

And yes, I can deny the possibilities are larger in Anaheim. There's already two teams in southern California and one of them (the Clippers obviously) had lower gate numbers than the Kings last year - one of the worst years in Sacramento attendance-wise. It's not Sacramento that's the special fanbase. It's southern California, with proven track record of abandoning their sports teams when they underperform. Tell me with a straight face that Anaheim would had had years of sellouts the way Sacramento did during the late 80's and 90's. It's a strawman argument to say every market has fairweather fans. The real topic of discussion is that Southern California as a whole has a much bigger percentage of them than nearly any other market.
 
I would like to point out that Sacramento did show up when the Kings were terrible for many years. !9 sellout seasons out of 26. Two of top five NBA sellout streaks in NBA history.

What happened the last few years? We were at the top for several years and our payroll became one of the highest in the league. Ticket prices soared for that reason. The Maloofs made the huge mistake of not blowing up the team soon enough to reduce salary enough to get ticket prices down and let a poor ticket marketer handle that part of the business far too long.

Then the economy tanked. Now the economy tanked every where, but the Sacramento region has been one of the hardest hit in the nation and is lagging on recovery. Being a government town with layoffs and furloughs only exacerbated the poor economic situation here.

The Maloofs have also made some dumb personnel and public relations decisions. But we still love our Kings and are actually more excited about our young team than we have been in some time. Things are starting to look up and we want to ride that wave, because we expect it to be a great one. We just need to get an arena deal done. Only recently, have we had the kind of local leadership from the mayor, business leaders and a seriously good arena development team with international experience that give us hope for a new arena as well.
 
Not to mention near the end of the year after the Thorton deal our attendance went up..

EDIT: changed the WAY up to just "up".

We did average about 14.5k for the last couple months but we did have a lot of road games. When we had a good win streak we were pulling in 15-17k people, and sold out 3 games in the last month or so.
 
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