Amick: De’Aaron Fox requests trade

[twslam07]

I'd rather keep Monk than get Herro.

Instead of getting involved in a potential Butler deal, why not send Fox to Miami for Herro, Jovic and Ware, and then flip Herro for a FRP and filler to get Cam Johnson from New Jersey?

PG - Monk/ Carter / McLaughlin
SG - Ellis / Carter/ Huerter / Jones
SF - DeRozan / Johnson / McDermott
PF - Murray / Jovic / Crowder
C - Sabonis / Ware / Len

I’d rather have Herro (and Jaquez since he was left off in your proposal) than Monk.

• Herro has better advanced impact stats than Monk (especially on offense).
• He’s posting 25/5/5 per36 min with a .622 TS% and 2+ AST:TO as a #1 option on an above .500 team
• He’s shooting 40% from 3 on 10 3PA per 36 min
• Herro and Ellis/Carter gives us a bit more size in our backcourt than Monk and Ellis/Carter
• Herro is 2 years younger than Monk

 

[Tetsujin]

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uhhhh I think involving Scary Terry in a trade is out of the question for a good while lol

 

[funkykingston]

Well I have Herro as the better player than Monk (and he’s 2 years younger than Monk) so I’d rather have Herro.

Fair enough. I'd rather have Monk. Especially if it would mean forcing Ellis and Carter to work as defacto PGs. Ellis can do it a bit as we saw last season, I don't know that Carter can. And I think that much change tanks this season completely. Which, depending on your stomach for re-tooling, rebuilding, may not be a terrible thing.

Personally, I'd rather see this team keep fighting this season.

 

[SLAB]

The nuclear option fans have got their wish. Ready for another 16 years?

I heavily doubt we’ll re-hire Vlade and then draft a series of 7 straight busts after our next All-Star.

 

[funkykingston]

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uhhhh I think involving Scary Terry in a trade is out of the question for a good while lol

No way. If he's kicked out of the league we'd be off the hook for his salary next season!

Kidding/not kidding.

 

[Tetsujin]

I heavily doubt we’ll re-hire Vlade and then draft a series of 7 straight busts after our next All-Star.

Let’s be fair to Vlade, Geoff Petrie and The Gerbil also drafted like ten straight busts before he even took over the front office lol

 

[notoriousBEN3]

If you want to win a championship you basically need a top 6 player. That’s probably not in the cards in a Fox trade. This team could afford to be a winning franchise for more than 3 years out of the last nearly 20 seasons before worrying about being a contender.

You’re definitely not wrong, but the rockets don’t have a top 6 player and they’re killing it right now, mostly b/c they have an insane defensive team. Not a bad model to shoot for in the short term.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

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Klutch gonna Klutch. Let’s at least squeeze Castle and the Atlanta picks outta these ****ers.

**** that crap don’t let him play with Wemby why reward him while he screws the franchise over not even having a lost or waiting till next he offseason

 

[bball_nomad]

I was pretty mellow yesterday. Usually, when everybody starts talking about the trade - trade is almost "done". WTF do we have now? Nothing but muddy waters. Kings just began to get their bleep together after firing MB and in a moment situation got extremely toxic.
I liked Fox, but not to the death. 2 years ago we had a beautiful season (though it could be even gone better) with the crappy postseason.
My outlook right now is simple. Trade Fox to wherever. I don't want to see him in Kings jersey period. DDR needs a greener pastures? Understandable. He has decent value, could bring something young and perspective in return.
I have no worries about Domas and Monk. For Domas the most important thing with the regards to the game is his personal shape and abilities. Domas never looked to squeeze out the most from the new contracts. Only once he stood ground. With the Pacers he simply told that "He is not signing a new contract for even a penny less than Myles Turner". Very understandable . Monk just became a starter and a good one.
We were almost done with this season under MB. 6-12 home record was something else. Before the last game in Philly looked like good regular season was a real chance.
Clean the house and move on.
BTW, I think that Spurs better get Fox now. One thing - who knows what will happen in the future. Another - Wemby and Fox is a very solid start. It will make easier to gather other needed pieces. And cheaper.

 

[Tetsujin]

Thinking back to the summer when we were attached to BI prior to getting DeMar, I’m wondering if that’s where the Klutch wheels really started turning. BI is another Klutch guy and it could be Paul was aiming for a two-for-one deal where both BI and Fox would get max deals from the Kings. When a BI deal fell through (thankfully so, tbh), Rich started pivoting to “how can I get more money for my guys separately” and thus was born Fox to San Antonio.

 

[fansinceday1]

Everyone not Fox is extremely tradeable. I hate this so much but if we had a firesale we could have a 2-3 year turnaround to be OKC or Houston.

But we don't have to go there. We just need to get that snake off the team and see if we can still salvage this season.

Im all for a fire sale because as the roster stands WITH Fox it still barely makes the play in. It’s not a good roster. This team has never done a proper rebuild. Let’s do it now and do it right, instead of barely middling around for another 5 years.

If this franchise has any questions with monte on down blow them out too. But do not keep Monty and get rid of christie. Then let Monty hire another coach and THEN fire Monty. This franchise needs to do things RIGHT, for the first time in its existence in Sacramento.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

And Derozan sorry ass can go to does he think teams are waiting to trade for him lol no fan base wants to see that iso ball spammed all game with no chance of a pass happening

 

[Tetsujin]

You’re definitely not wrong, but the rockets don’t have a top 6 player and they’re killing it right now, mostly b/c they have an insane defensive team. Not a bad model to shoot for in the short term.

We’ll see how they fare in the postseason though.

 

[Tetsujin]

And Derozan sorry ass can go to does he think teams are waiting to trade for him lol no fan base wants to see that iso ball spammed all game with no chance of a pass happening

I mean, if we can get Rui and a second for him or something, I’m not entirely above ignoring my Lakers trade ban.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

They'll pay it. You simply cannot go back to Wemby and tell him you passed on adding a second star that wants to play for your team for 1yr and a half because "the price was too high"

Wemby isn’t an American born jackass superstar they’ll be fine and Fox isn’t some can’t miss player

 

[Tetsujin]

Wemby isn’t an American born jackass superstar they’ll be fine and Fox isn’t some can’t miss player

Wemby is also a player type that doesn’t really last long in the league though. Giant skinny dudes tend to start out playing great and then their ligaments turn into spaghetti in their mid-20s and they go the Yao Ming route. I can see why everyone would be eager to get something done sooner than later.

 

[Tetsujin]

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Rich Paul out here handing Amick grenades to throw into G1C lol

 

[Tetsujin]

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The “please take me back!” Taking out a third mortgage on the house to buy your ex (who is now married with children) a huge diamond ring strategy.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Im all for a fire sale because as the roster stands WITH Fox it still barely makes the play in. It’s not a good roster. This team has never done a proper rebuild. Let’s do it now and do it right, instead of barely middling around for another 5 years.

I'm not a STH. I would like to root for them to win every night. I still really like Domas. I think if you get the right picks for everyone that doesn't want to be here you can probably rebuild without completely dismantling the team since you are banking on other teams picks.

I still say Warriors built their team picking behind us nearly every draft. There are guys that would help us picked after our picks every draft.

Fox has always been a problem because once Domas re-upped after we made the playoffs his contract status was hanging over our head rather than trying to build naturally. And Brown's rotations and call outs of players hurt our ability to grow/bring new talent in. The roster did change over quite a bit between Y1 and Y2, just not the core. But Brown did not trust any of the new guys except Duarte and JaVale, probably the two worst players that came over.

I don't know. I am hopeful Fox trade alone plus moving Huerter right after can get us on track to secure a playoff spot with enough talent and low cost players/picks to build something.

 

[Makaveli]

Fox's replacement is Monk - better shooter, better playmaker, not as good of a defender. We can make an effort to balance the roster, let Monk have full reign, and sign/trade for defensive minded players that want to run.

Yeah I ment just a starter like Keon would increase our defense but he would have to be a little more aggressive on offense especially opportunities to drive. I’d be ok with trading deebo as well he is ok in iso situations but really struggles on defense.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Sooo, sounds like DeRozan wants out if Fox is gone. Completely understandable but makes winning in the post-Fox era very tough. At that point, a full rebuild is better imo.

Derozan wasn’t gonna help us win anyways

 

[fansinceday1]

It’s hard to watch Houston and OKC play and not be jealous of those franchises. Especially OKC. They are always bringing in great young talent. It starts with a competent GM. Before we do anything we need to blow out Monty and bring in someone knowledgeable. Let that guy bring in his coach and start from there. It’s not rocket science. It’s the same in every sport.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

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The “please take me back!” Taking out a third mortgage on the house to buy your ex (who is now married with children) a huge diamond ring strategy.

There's literally no deal on the table that can make us a WCF/chip threat before he enters Free Agency. It's stupid. We really going to give up future firsts for Collins or Cam? Do they start here? What is it they will do exactly when they are out there with Len on the floor in the second unit?

 

[Joshyjosh31]

It's a little tricky to get too excited by a rookie with a small body of work (especially given where he was picked in his class that everyone called weak) but I think I'd take less picks back from Miami if we were able to get Ware with JJJ or Jovic. Also depends what crap they drop on us to match salaries though.

Where someone was picked doesn’t matter

 

[pdxKingsFan]

It’s hard to watch Houston and OKC play and not be jealous of those franchises. Especially OKC. They are always bringing in great young talent. It starts with a competent GM. Before we do anything we need to blow out Monty and bring in someone knowledgeable. Let that guy bring in his coach and start from there. It’s not rocket science. It’s the same in every sport.

We can be OKC right now if we trade Fox for picks and then do the same for everyone who doesn't want to be here this summer and next.

I think OKC was only out of the playoffs for a few years and their burn off from Harden, Durant (who they lost for nothing) and Russ was done over the course of about 4 years.

 

[Tetsujin]

It’s hard to watch Houston and OKC play and not be jealous of those franchises. Especially OKC. They are always bringing in great young talent. It starts with a competent GM. Before we do anything we need to blow out Monty and bring in someone knowledgeable. Let that guy bring in his coach and start from there. It’s not rocket science. It’s the same in every sport.

The same OKC GM who put together their current team also once traded James Harden for Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb which is to say, I’m not against giving Monte a chance to retool post-Fox. (I’m a little less ambivalent about keeping Wes though).

 

[twslam07]

Fair enough. I'd rather have Monk. Especially if it would mean forcing Ellis and Carter to work as defacto PGs. Ellis can do it a bit as we saw last season, I don't know that Carter can. And I think that much change tanks this season completely. Which, depending on your stomach for re-tooling, rebuilding, may not be a terrible thing.

Personally, I'd rather see this team keep fighting this season.

I edited my post above, but these are my reasons…

I’d rather have Herro (and Jaquez since he was left off in your proposal) than Monk.

• Herro has better advanced impact stats than Monk (especially on offense).
• He’s posting 25/5/5 per36 min with a .622 TS% and 2+ AST:TO as a #1 option on an above .500 team
• He’s shooting 40% from 3 on 10 3PA per 36 min
• Herro and Ellis/Carter gives us a bit more size in our backcourt than Monk and Ellis/Carter
• Herro is 2 years younger than Monk

 

[fansinceday1]

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The “please take me back!” Taking out a third mortgage on the house to buy your ex (who is now married with children) a huge diamond ring strategy.

It’s hard not to see where the ownership and FO don’t completely F this up. If they end up convincing Fox to stay and giving him what he wants and then giving away the future I don’t see how anyone could be happy with that.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

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uhhhh I think involving Scary Terry in a trade is out of the question for a good while lol

Wouldn’t that mean we’re trading for an expiring contract

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Where someone was picked doesn’t matter

It doesn't matter but that wasn't the point I was making, just that he has flashed something but obviously it needs to be long term not holy shoot look at this guy's last 10 games.

There's so many players that parlay a nice stretch like that in a contract year into a long term mistake.

I like Ware and want him here in a trade, so not sure why you want to focus on the caveat to getting a little too excited about one player.