Allen Iverson - MERGED
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SLAB
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I am so absolutly phyched right now about the chance of having AI in Sacto.
IT just makes way to much sense for both teams for it not to go through, if Sacto is truley putting forth an offer.
Philly gets the hugley successful Bibby/Webb core back and hopes for magic, and Bibby is probably the best you can do when your back is pushed against the wall like theirs.
And Sacto gets instant excitment...It either is successful, or goes down in a giant magnificent fireball, but either way the team is worth watching again.
And how many of the millions of Iverson fan-boy bandwagoners would instantaiously go out and buy Iverson merchandise? Think of the money!
Yea...Im phyched.
IT just makes way to much sense for both teams for it not to go through, if Sacto is truley putting forth an offer.
Philly gets the hugley successful Bibby/Webb core back and hopes for magic, and Bibby is probably the best you can do when your back is pushed against the wall like theirs.
And Sacto gets instant excitment...It either is successful, or goes down in a giant magnificent fireball, but either way the team is worth watching again.
And how many of the millions of Iverson fan-boy bandwagoners would instantaiously go out and buy Iverson merchandise? Think of the money!
Yea...Im phyched.
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nbrans
All-Star
If it's a two-way deal this is my guess as well, although Philly is going to want at least a 1st rounder, and I hope the Kings make a play for Steven Hunter.
Something like:
Bibby
Potapenko
Garcia
2007 1st
for
Iverson
Hunter
one of Philly's minimums
If we trade for AI we HAVE to keep Brad Miller. Iverson will penetrate, Ron will post, Brad and Kevin will shoot and Kenny will be the junkyard dog of the team. Off the bench you'd probably have Price, Salmons and Shareef as the main 8 man roster with Corliss/Garcia(if they are not involved in the deal) as the 9th men. Solid rotation.
I don't see the Kings giving up a pick AND Garcia/Douby. It's probably one or the other...
I'm with you in your thinking. KMart does great on few shots and with someone like AI that is such a leader and goes to the rim at will, KMart would be the recipient of many open looks, Brad too for his 18 footer. We still need a 4/5 shot blocker/rebounder, but AI would be a great addition. Ron more than anything wants to win and with AI being able to take care of business, I think Ron would feel he doesn't need to carry the team by himself and can concentrate on his strength his defense and if he does get the ball in the offense he will drive to the hoop where he is just about unstoppable. I'd love a AI/Artest combo.
I love KMart, but if the 6ers want him in the deal, I really would love to get Iggy here, I really like that guy as well and he is very athletic and has great potential. Eventhough he'd play with AI if they both came over to the Kings, the change of scenary and other players should help both these guys.
I think a Bibby and K9 for AI would be a good trade or if not a Bibby/Corliss for AI would be close to salaries. I really think we are at the head of the group of getting AI, I think ultimately it's our call. They might want KMart, but we'd want Iggy. They might want Miller, but we'd want Dal. We do have lots of expiring contracts so we can offer a good player in Bibby with expiring deals of $11-13M or so after this season and have a lot to offer. Also the Maloofs said they would go over the cap for the right guy, and I think AI is the guy. Also Mike's dad is the asst of there and if Bibby walks after the season that's another $12.5M off the books or more.
The deal will be simpler, not more complex if a deal happens IMO. And if we aqcuire a 41% shooter we HAVE to keep Kenny Thomas for his ability to rebound and his knack to offensively rebound....we'll need those extra possession to win.
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Sounds good, I like Hunter from seeing him briefly, he is a young tall athletic guy that would be nice to have around here. We don't exactly have some good young 4/5 types here.
I really hope it's Bibby and K9 for AI. I wouldn't feel that bad about losing Garcia if we got Hunter. I really like KMart, but getting Iggy would offset that. We have plenty of scaps and expirings and a premium guy in Bibby who at least we'd be cashing in for a HOFer in AI so I'd be happy. It's really in our court I think and how much we will be willing to do, but the 6ers backs are against the wall with the time deadline so that should help, they cannot sit back and have crazy demands.
Bibby in Philly makes to much sence, it also sounds good! His dad and Webber are there and he'd be the man and can start another chapter in his life.
True, we should try dumping K9s salary, King is the one who invented it right?
K9 doesn't demand shots and there will not be any demanding, but mear scraps handed out after AI and Artest go at it. K9 is the garbage man with 2nd chances and rebounding and Miller is the 7 footer who is away from the hoop, but can defend the other teams 4/5 with K9 helping out. Kmart is the sniper and will hit his shots when he gets the open looks, like Peja did for us.
At the very least this will be exciting B-ball again and we should get our new arena!
I think the Maloofs are looking for this big splash to get it done.
Not only that, but man would it be a media circus when we lock up with the Lakers and Kobe. Can you just image the match up? I know AI is a PG and Kobe is a SG, but they would have a 1 on 1 type of competition trying to defeat each other. We have Artest who can lock up Kobe so I like our chances. It's not like I'm afraid of the Lakers anyways, but man AI/Artest against Kobe/Odom would be just awesome!!!!!
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SLAB
Hall of Famer
True, we should try dumping K9s salary, King is the one who invented it right?
K9 is the garbage man with 2nd chances and rebounding and Miller is the 7 footer who is away from the hoop, but can defend the other teams 4/5 with K9 helping out. Kmart is the sniper and will hit his shots when he gets the open looks, like Peja did for us.
At the very least this will be exciting B-ball again and we should get our new arena!
I think the Maloofs are looking for this big splash to get it done.
Word...Everyone potentially has a role for themselves with this "new" team.
AI: Shoots almost everything, but also has the confidence to drive and dish to both Miller and KMart standing somewhere on the perimeter.
Artest: Shoots everything else, but can still dish out to KMart/Miller/AI when he is doubled on the block.
KMart: Playing as a role player of sorts is probably best for him at this point, and with defenses keying in on AI/Artest to shoot everything and do what they do best he should be the recipient of many a open-look from the outside on kickouts from collapsing D's.
Miller: Second fiddle, recieves kickouts and finds cutting AI's and Martin's.
Thomas: Rebounds and putbacks, baby.
BawLa
Starter
I would like to see Brad throw more alley-oops to Kevin. You know he is an accurate enough shooter/passer to do it, I just think his whiteness holds him back.
most_casual_observer
G-League
remember how we felt when the Artest deal was being speculated...
It'd be great to see AI here, besides, I'm already tired of Bibby's new haircut.
Thanks for the memories Mike!
It'd be great to see AI here, besides, I'm already tired of Bibby's new haircut.
Thanks for the memories Mike!
nbrans
All-Star
ESPN's Broussard: Could Iverson and Artest exist together?
posted: Monday, December 11, 2006
excerpt:
[Joe] Maloof, owner of the Sacramento Kings, told me today that he would have no fear whatsoever of putting the volatile Ron Artest and the volatile Allen Iverson together as teammates.
"Absolutely not," Maloof said in a telephone conversation. "I think they would be fabulous together because they both have the same personalities. They both want to win. They're both warriors. And they both bring it in every game. When you get guys like that together, there's no telling what can happen."
Maloof did not say the Kings were definitely out to trade for Iverson. He said team president Geoff Petrie was handling all trade talks, and would be the one to determine whether Sacramento becomes a major player in the A.I. Sweepstakes.
However, Maloof said Petrie told him a few days ago that the Kings were "in the mix" for Iverson.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=broussard_chris#20061211
posted: Monday, December 11, 2006
excerpt:
[Joe] Maloof, owner of the Sacramento Kings, told me today that he would have no fear whatsoever of putting the volatile Ron Artest and the volatile Allen Iverson together as teammates.
"Absolutely not," Maloof said in a telephone conversation. "I think they would be fabulous together because they both have the same personalities. They both want to win. They're both warriors. And they both bring it in every game. When you get guys like that together, there's no telling what can happen."
Maloof did not say the Kings were definitely out to trade for Iverson. He said team president Geoff Petrie was handling all trade talks, and would be the one to determine whether Sacramento becomes a major player in the A.I. Sweepstakes.
However, Maloof said Petrie told him a few days ago that the Kings were "in the mix" for Iverson.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=broussard_chris#20061211
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Oh gag... I'm sick at the thought of AI as a King.
I've watched him in Philly since Webber went there, almost every game since then. And he's a unique talent, but a team killer.
I already hate the ISO game we play under Muss, and with AI, it would all be AI dribble, dribble, dribble, and only IF he can't get his shot, he'll pass to other guys who just stand around watching him.
I hate that kind of ball.
Yes, that Philly team went to the finals one year. They traded mid-season for Mutombo and he gave them that edge they needed. AI was also much younger. Now he's 31. Oh, and they lost to the Lakers.
I've watched him in Philly since Webber went there, almost every game since then. And he's a unique talent, but a team killer.
I already hate the ISO game we play under Muss, and with AI, it would all be AI dribble, dribble, dribble, and only IF he can't get his shot, he'll pass to other guys who just stand around watching him.
I hate that kind of ball.
Yes, that Philly team went to the finals one year. They traded mid-season for Mutombo and he gave them that edge they needed. AI was also much younger. Now he's 31. Oh, and they lost to the Lakers.
Okay that's all well and good, I suppose. But WHICH Maloof supposedly made the comments? Basically all that's been said is that one of the Maloofs doesn't think there'd be a problem with Artest and Iverson on the court for the same time. The other stuff is pretty non-commital with the requisite spin by the writer to make it look appealing. I think every team might be considered to be intiially in the mix...
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
People keep pointing to this but...maybe people just haven't really watched Iverson play very intently. There is no room for a "second fiddle". And players for kickouts have never really mattered that much. Best team he was ever on could barely shoot a lick, and everyone from Webb to Stackhouse to Hughes to Big Dog to Van Horn to Tim Thomas to Toni Kukoc to Jim Jackson has struggled alongside him.
This is the typical Iverson scoring structure:
Iverson: 30
#2 scorer: 14
#3 scorer: 12
#4 scorer: 10
Nor do those #2 and #3 options actually see their shooting %s go up -- they go the other way because the onyl way you are shooting is where and when A.I. gets you the ball after he's run out of options. So you are eternally shooting up against the clock, from his spots, not yours. Ron will be here -- squeezing him in as the #2 option is already going to to be a tough tough sell. But for this to work, he will have to acept it. MAYBE we can gt him 15ppg. Maybe. So that pretty much only leaves the 12ppg and 10ppg scoring roles up for grabs. And that's it. Kevin as Kyle Korver? Or a more one-dimensional Iggy really? Brad as Matt Geiger? If you have ofensive minded players sitting around on an Iverson team...just a waste. Let alone anybody who needs to be in a rhythm.
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So if AI does come here, is he going to be the only King at the All-Star game?
Say Bibby and one other piece goes to make salaries match, would we consider bringing in another piece to fill the void? I thought of this when I saw this:
Duly Noted
• Every once in a while you come across a player you're sure should be playing in the NBA, and you can't fathom why he isn't. This year that player is Justin Williams, a pogo-stick jumping rookie forward from the University of Wyoming. Williams, a late cut by the Sacramento Kings, is a 6-foot-10, 230-pounder playing with the Dakota Wizards, who currently leads the D-League in rebounding (14 rpg) and blocked shots (2.4 bpg) while scoring 12.4 ppg. There's little doubt Williams will draw interest when teams can begin signing players to 10-day contracts on Jan. 5. As for me, I still can't figure out how Williams went undrafted after excellent performances at the postseason events in Portsmouth and Orlando last year.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/chris_ekstrand/12/11/notes/1.html
Say Bibby and one other piece goes to make salaries match, would we consider bringing in another piece to fill the void? I thought of this when I saw this:
Duly Noted
• Every once in a while you come across a player you're sure should be playing in the NBA, and you can't fathom why he isn't. This year that player is Justin Williams, a pogo-stick jumping rookie forward from the University of Wyoming. Williams, a late cut by the Sacramento Kings, is a 6-foot-10, 230-pounder playing with the Dakota Wizards, who currently leads the D-League in rebounding (14 rpg) and blocked shots (2.4 bpg) while scoring 12.4 ppg. There's little doubt Williams will draw interest when teams can begin signing players to 10-day contracts on Jan. 5. As for me, I still can't figure out how Williams went undrafted after excellent performances at the postseason events in Portsmouth and Orlando last year.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/chris_ekstrand/12/11/notes/1.html
uolj
Starter
If Adelman was still here and the Kings were in the running for Iverson, I'd really be excited.
Right now I'm just excited in a scared way like when your plane is taking off or you're signing the papers to buy a house you might not be able to afford. I'm just not sure Musselman can turn Iverson + Artest into real contenders. But I'm hoping we found out one way or the other.
Right now I'm just excited in a scared way like when your plane is taking off or you're signing the papers to buy a house you might not be able to afford. I'm just not sure Musselman can turn Iverson + Artest into real contenders. But I'm hoping we found out one way or the other.
nbrans
All-Star
It was Joe. (accidentally snipped that part)
Exactly!
Add to that, the fact that AI himself doesn't work within the flow of a passing offense. I don't know how many times I've seen Webber set him up for a shot and he just can't catch and shoot. It's like he can only shoot the ball after dribbling for 20 seconds first. He ruins more assists for Webber than anyone I've ever seen.
AI as a King would be a disaster for everyone else.
Padrino
All-Star
ya know...i don't even know what to think at this point. when stojakovic for artest rumors first appeared, i knew exactly where i stood. i wanted to see artest in a kings uniform. when webber was traded, i new exactly where i stood. i thought it was a mistake. with the iverson situation, i don't know where i stand. i like the benefits of bringing him to sacramento. i dislike the drawbacks of bringing him to sacramento. and the benefits and drawbacks seem so equal in all the plausible trade scenarios that i can't make up my mind! its frustrating!
i guess i just can't quite get myself to believe that he'll ever be in a kings uniform. hell, i can't get myself to believe that he'll ever wear anything other than a sixers uniform, and they've already said they plan on trading him.
i guess i just can't quite get myself to believe that he'll ever be in a kings uniform. hell, i can't get myself to believe that he'll ever wear anything other than a sixers uniform, and they've already said they plan on trading him.
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ya know...i don't even know what to think at this point. when stojakovic for artest rumors first appeared, i knew exactly where i stood. i wanted to see artest in a kings uniform. when webber was traded, i new exactly where i stood. i thought it was a mistake. with the iverson situation, i don't know where i stand. i like the benefits of bringing him to sacramento. i dislike the drawbacks of bringing him to sacramento. and the benefits and drawbacks seem so equal in all the plausible trade scenarios that i can't make up my mind! its frustrating!
i guess i just can't quite get myself to believe that he'll ever be in a kings uniform. hell, i can't get myself to believe that he'll ever wear anything other than a sixers uniform, and they've already said they plan on trading them.
Well that's what we call ROLLING THE DICE...and the Maloofs probably will.
nbrans
All-Star
I think you may be relying a tad too much on history here. All of this has historically been true, but AI has never really played with a guy like Kevin. He's had guys who need to dominate the ball (Stack, Huges), spot-up shooters (Van Horn, Kukoc, Korver), but never a hybrid like Kevin. The closest comparison is really Aaron McKie, but Mckie was about 47 years old when he played with AI.
I think there are enough shots to go around. The key is having a coach who can shoehorn people into their roles. That's more where I'm scared.
NBAGURU
G-League
Could Iverson and Artest exist together?
Could Iverson and Artest exist together?
posted: Monday, December 11, 2006 | Feedback | Print Entry
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blo...og/index?entryID=2694356&name=broussard_chris
"CAN ANYONE GET THE REST OF THIS ARTICLE?"
Some think it would turn the team's locker room into World War III. Some think it would make the team -- hands down -- the toughest crew pound-for-pound in the NBA.
Joe Maloof thinks it would be a match made in heaven.
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Could Iverson and Artest exist together?
posted: Monday, December 11, 2006 | Feedback | Print Entry
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blo...og/index?entryID=2694356&name=broussard_chris
"CAN ANYONE GET THE REST OF THIS ARTICLE?"
Some think it would turn the team's locker room into World War III. Some think it would make the team -- hands down -- the toughest crew pound-for-pound in the NBA.
Joe Maloof thinks it would be a match made in heaven.
