Ailene Voisin: Kings are still team in the making

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By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Friday, April 8, 2005


You thought you knew these recently reconfigured Kings. You thought they were tougher and together. You thought they were inspired and inspiring. You thought they were committed enough to collectively cause a commotion. And sometimes they are.


And sometimes they're not.

Consistency isn't their muse of late.

At a time when NBA teams are seriously jostling for playoff positioning, the Kings have failed to establish either an offensive or defensive identity and emerged only as an enigma, a club capable of charming their fans one night and confounding and disappointing the next. (One spirited victory over the ailing Seattle SuperSonics doesn't solve a riddle.)

"Sometimes we don't always come to play," Kings guard Mike Bibby acknowledged, noting the current 6-4 swing. "We need to run a little bit more, play together, and that's all. We know how we're capable of playing."

A little reality check here first: These Kings aren't the beguiling, captivating Kings of midseason 2003-04, nor the demoralized Kings who limped down the stretch and were eliminated in the second playoff round. Those Kings weren't contenders, and nor are these Kings.

But why not embrace the role of spoiler? Why not make the postseason interesting? As the franchise fast-forwards toward its first post-Chris Webber postseason, with significant offseason personnel changes undoubtedly looming, there are abundant - if somewhat ambiguous - reasons to be intrigued. Stretch the imagination a little.

All-Star center Brad Miller could return and orchestrate the once-fluid offense. Bobby Jackson could make an appearance and ease the ballhandling duties on Bibby. Tim Duncan's ankle could require surgery. Steve Nash could stumble and stub a toe. Erick Dampier could disappear again. Shaq and Kobe ... oh, wait. There is no Shaq and Kobe.

This is 2004-05, the season the Western Conference formed an eight-team scrum. Every team has ailments and excuses, and the Lakers no longer have Shaq. It seems as good a time as any to celebrate the demise of an old foe, maybe even pour a little kerosene on the mood down there at Staples Center.

Characterized as outside-shooting long shots with nothing to lose - when mentioned at all in the national media - the Kings might as well cut loose and overdose on the entertainment value. Throw a few elbows. Rattle a few nerves. Run around, rebound and have a little fun. Re-energize the fan base with feisty defense, generous ball movement and wiser shot selection.

"We've only been together a short time," team president Geoff Petrie offered. "It can only get better."

Perhaps, but any improbably lengthy playoff run requires most of the following:

1. Bibby improving his on-the-ball defense. Sure, he's tired. But what's one more crucial task?

2. Peja Stojakovic continuing to balance his prolific inside-outside offense with screens and assists while overcoming his aversion for loose balls. (And take a charge once in a while.)

3. Cuttino Mobley listening to Pete Carril. Isolation plays are rarely needed around here. In this offense, crisp and generous ball movement ensures abundant shots for all. On-the-ball defense has to be more resistant, too.

4. Brian Skinner remaining healthy and a nasty, physical interior presence. The hard hat is a perfect fit.

5. Kenny Thomas using his length, versatility and athleticism, and executing more of those spin moves for dunks and layups.

6. Corliss Williamson imparting championship wisdom in the locker room and low-post scoring off the bench.

7. Maurice Evans resuming his supporting role as a physical defender, eager rebounder and (selective) slashing scorer.

8 (a). Eddie House. Stroking those timely textbook jumpers.

8 (b). Darius Songaila. See House.

9. Greg Ostertag. Resisting the munchies. The Big O continues to shed pounds and still can't squeeze through coach Rick Adelman's doggie door. Yet particularly against Dallas, his size and length will be needed.

10. Adelman. Taking another peek at Ostertag, clarifying his players' roles for those deciding possessions and finding more minutes for the bruising Skinner. When the former 76er is in the lineup, layups are contested, rebounds snatched, the Kings suddenly not so soft.

"I know that there are a lot of areas where we are hurting right now," Adelman said after Tuesday's victory, "and I do believe that when you get to the playoffs, it's a different scenario because you can lock in. You have time to practice and time to create some type of scheme the guys get used to seeing. This team is going to be a little different (than recent clubs), but I do believe our assistants are going to come up with game plans."

So, OK, why not?

Surprise us.
 
Warhawk said:
"Sometimes we don't always come to play,"

I know squeezing in 48 minutes of basketball a couple days of week between playstation tournaments can be tough but COME ON!!!:mad:
 
Warhawk said:
"Sometimes we don't always come to play," Kings guard Mike Bibby acknowledged, noting the current 6-4 swing.

I know the feeling. Sometimes I don't always come to work to work, but browse the internet :)
 
"A little reality check here first: These Kings aren't the beguiling, captivating Kings of midseason 2003-04, nor the demoralized Kings who limped down the stretch and were eliminated in the second playoff round. Those Kings weren't contenders, and nor are these Kings."


WOW, sounds like somebody has already given up on this year. Sad, very sad.
 
Gtronic said:
"A little reality check here first: These Kings aren't the beguiling, captivating Kings of midseason 2003-04, nor the demoralized Kings who limped down the stretch and were eliminated in the second playoff round. Those Kings weren't contenders, and nor are these Kings."


WOW, sounds like somebody has already given up on this year. Sad, very sad.

Most of the world will tell you that this current team is not a contender so I'm not sure what is so surprising. What I liked about this article is that AV says that the team should play like there's nothing to lose, with a little more freedom and that they can play the role of spoiler in the playoffs. She also points out that with an injury to any of the elite stars, who knows we might be able to win the whole thing. I actually liked this article, cause if the Kings can come together and just play hard out there anything is possible.
 
KingKong said:
Most of the world will tell you that this current team is not a contender so I'm not sure what is so surprising. What I liked about this article is that AV says that the team should play like there's nothing to lose, with a little more freedom and that they can play the role of spoiler in the playoffs. She also points out that with an injury to any of the elite stars, who knows we might be able to win the whole thing. I actually liked this article, cause if the Kings can come together and just play hard out there anything is possible.

I agree with you. I'm not a big fan of AV, but I liked this article. And yes exactly, while we are not considered contenders this year, the point is that anythingcould happen if everything came together just right. Of course it would have to be JUST right.
 
Phoenix and Seattle, this is their first year being good. Spurs, who knows about Duncan's health? Nobody expects anything from us, so we've got nothing to lose.

And we can throw different types of teams at people:

All Shooting Team: Peja, Bibby, Mobley, Thomas, Brad
All Defense: Peja, Bobby, Mo Evans, Skinner/Thomas, O-Tag
Small Ball: Bobby, Bibby, Cat, Thomas, Brad

When we have the All-Defense team out there, I would really hope and expect that anybody who comes waltzing into the lane for an easy two points gets some lumber put on them but O-Tag, Skinner or Thomas. The announcers would have a tough time comprehending that...
 
But why not embrace the role of spoiler?

Thats what I would just LOVE...we aren't contenders and we aren't built to win a championship but i would just LOVE LOVE LOVE to knock the Mavs out in the first round...god i would so love that...just to see the look on Mavs fans faces...just to hear them complain, cry and whine...they think they are going to the WCF and maybe to the Finals...i would love to for my Kings to just knock them out in the first round...after that I wouldn't even care what else happens....:D


2. Peja Stojakovic continuing to balance his prolific inside-outside offense with screens and assists while overcoming his aversion for loose balls. (And take a charge once in a while.)

umm...has this ever happened?
 
Characterized as outside-shooting long shots with nothing to lose - when mentioned at all in the national media - the Kings might as well cut loose and overdose on the entertainment value. Throw a few elbows. Rattle a few nerves. Run around, rebound and have a little fun. Re-energize the fan base with feisty defense, generous ball movement and wiser shot selection.

I know I'd like to see that...might even bring a tear to my eye...

THROW THEM BOWS!!!
 
vj9999 said:
I know the feeling. Sometimes I don't always come to work to work, but browse the internet :)
Hehehe. I understand. :D Sometimes when I get pissed off at the Kings for not trying hard, I should get pee off at myself too for not trying hard when studying for school!


Good article!
 
Bartking said:
Phoenix and Seattle, this is their first year being good. Spurs, who knows about Duncan's health? Nobody expects anything from us, so we've got nothing to lose.

And we can throw different types of teams at people:

All Shooting Team: Peja, Bibby, Mobley, Thomas, Brad
All Defense: Peja, Bobby, Mo Evans, Skinner/Thomas, O-Tag
Small Ball: Bobby, Bibby, Cat, Thomas, Brad

When we have the All-Defense team out there, I would really hope and expect that anybody who comes waltzing into the lane for an easy two points gets some lumber put on them but O-Tag, Skinner or Thomas. The announcers would have a tough time comprehending that...
You put greg ostertag on the all defense team instead of miller? How and why did you do that?
 
"Thats what I would just LOVE...we aren't contenders and we aren't built to win a championship"

Wow, i'll add your name to the list of non-believes as well. Sometimes i think i'm the only person around here who thinks we can atually make some noice in the playoffs. Let alone win it all. I read this board everyday, maybe 2 or 3 times a day….but I never post. Why? What’s the point when 90% of this board has already mailed in this year. Why do you continue to watch when you know it’s over? When you know we have no chance? This is the time this team needs us to believe in them. Do you honestly believe that this team, given time to prepare, can’t win it all? If your answer is yes, then log off and come back next year.
 
PejaHoops16 said:
You put greg ostertag on the all defense team instead of miller? How and why did you do that?

O-Tag blocks about 3x as many shots as Brad per 48, plus he gets more rebounds.

Our "interior defense" could be confused with a bunch of guys practising Jainism.
 
PejaHoops16 said:
You put greg ostertag on the all defense team instead of miller? How and why did you do that?

Your right! After all Brad is one of the most imposing defensive forces on the planet. ;)
 
Gtronic said:
"Thats what I would just LOVE...we aren't contenders and we aren't built to win a championship"

Wow, i'll add your name to the list of non-believes as well. Sometimes i think i'm the only person around here who thinks we can atually make some noice in the playoffs. Let alone win it all. I read this board everyday, maybe 2 or 3 times a day….but I never post. Why? What’s the point when 90% of this board has already mailed in this year. Why do you continue to watch when you know it’s over? When you know we have no chance? This is the time this team needs us to believe in them. Do you honestly believe that this team, given time to prepare, can’t win it all? If your answer is yes, then log off and come back next year.

I honestly believe that this team is not going to win it all.

And sorry, but I'm not going to log off and come back next year because I refuse to put unrealistic expectations on the team I love.

Being realistic doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I love this team.

The team needs me to believe in them? Why do you think I'm still here and still a fan? Because I do believe in them. The difference is I'm still going to believe in them if they go out after the first round. I won't be berating them, or pointing fingers, etc.

After everything that's happened this year, I'm glad to see they can still dig deep enough for wins. I will cheer and cheer loudly every game they play - but I'm not going to be looking towards the NBA finals quite yet. Let's get that playoff spot nailed down and then look to the first round. We can worry about June ... in June.
 
I agree VF21!

I love and support this team no matter what. I will be just as much a fan if we are out after the first round as I would be if we were to go all the way. It is more realistic to believe that we can make some noise in the postseason, but a 1st or 2nd round exit is most probable. I would LOVE to be wrong about this, but I belive that it will take a miracle for us to win it all this year.

While I DO believe in miracles, I would rather be pleasantly suprised if we go deeper than I expect, than to be disappointed if we are not the champions. With all the changes and injuries this year, I am proud that we have made it this far. I want to see them pick up the intensity some more, but I do not expect as much this post season as I have in the past - At least the recent past!
 
VF21 - I didn't say this team is GOING to win it all, but i haven't ruled it out all together...like you and so many people around here have.

This place is filled with "Glass half empty" type people.....with two of the mods on this site being them. Imagine if Kings players logged on and read "I honestly believe that this team is not going to win it all" or "refuse to put unrealistic expectations on the team"

unrealistic expectations???? What kind of fan is that? I expect this team to win it all. If they do i go to work the next day and my life goes on, if they don't, well, i do the samething. But believing in this team is what i'm going to do. I sure hope everybody on this Kings team doesn't have the same point of view as you....because if they do, then you are correct, we have no chance.

i'll say it again....sad, just sad. This team needs us to stand behind them, believe in them 100%.
 
Warhawk said:
9. Greg Ostertag. Resisting the munchies. The Big O continues to shed pounds and still can't squeeze through coach Rick Adelman's doggie door. Yet particularly against Dallas, his size and length will be needed.

It's hard to resist the munchies. Damn vending machine at work always tempting me with it's junky sugary sweetness! :o
 
Gtronic said:
VF21 - I didn't say this team is GOING to win it all, but i haven't ruled it out all together...like you and so many people around here have.

This place is filled with "Glass half empty" type people.....with two of the mods on this site being them. Imagine if Kings players logged on and read "I honestly believe that this team is not going to win it all" or "refuse to put unrealistic expectations on the team"

unrealistic expectations???? What kind of fan is that? I expect this team to win it all. If they do i go to work the next day and my life goes on, if they don't, well, i do the samething. But believing in this team is what i'm going to do. I sure hope everybody on this Kings team doesn't have the same point of view as you....because if they do, then you are correct, we have no chance.

i'll say it again....sad, just sad. This team needs us to stand behind them, believe in them 100%.

I have been the most optimistic fan in the world for a very long time. Right now, I don't see the team as having all the parts they need to get to the NBA finals. If that makes me a lesser "fan" than you, so be it. It isn't about a glass - it's about whether or not a team who has little to no defense, players who aren't used to playing with each other, a center who may or may not be able to make it back AND be effective, etc. are really going to be able to compete with the other elite teams.

I cheer for them, I schedule my life around games so I don't miss any, I am one of the most active people on this board. If you think that's sad, then that's fine. I'm basically saying to take it one step at a time. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched, etc. There are simply too many variables right now to make a valid analysis.

Do you think my opinion is going to influence the team? Gee, I wish. But if that was true, they would have 3 rings right now...
 
Gtronic said:
VF21 - I didn't say this team is GOING to win it all, but i haven't ruled it out all together...like you and so many people around here have.

This place is filled with "Glass half empty" type people.....with two of the mods on this site being them. Imagine if Kings players logged on and read "I honestly believe that this team is not going to win it all" or "refuse to put unrealistic expectations on the team"

unrealistic expectations???? What kind of fan is that? I expect this team to win it all. If they do i go to work the next day and my life goes on, if they don't, well, i do the samething. But believing in this team is what i'm going to do. I sure hope everybody on this Kings team doesn't have the same point of view as you....because if they do, then you are correct, we have no chance.

i'll say it again....sad, just sad. This team needs us to stand behind them, believe in them 100%.

I agree with you, but it doesn't make a difference what we think.

Although, I don't know which is a bigger fallacy. Believing the Kings isn't going to win it all or beileiving the Kings is going to win it all.

The truth is, they have a chance.

At this point, moving to the 2nd round is within their reach. But will the Kings win the 1st round?

It depends on who they play in my opinion.
 
Yes, the truth is....The Kings are in the playoffs so they have a chance. Are the odds with them? Based on lack of defense (or consistent defense), uncertainty of Brad and/or Bobby returning and fitting in with the new guys, and the cohesiveness of all the new guys as a single unit, I would have to say no way. The odds are definitely against them. Could it happen? Yes! Would I and all other Kings fans be thrilled. Heck yes! Would some of us be devastated? Maybe. But then some of us would say, "We are not surprised. The odds were heavily stacked against us." You think this makes us less of a fan...or not as good a fan. Well, to that I say, "Bull ****."

Some of us packed ARCO, night in and night out, since 1985...even when the Kings truly sucked. We were still there or sitting in front of our TV's (although seldom shown) or sitting next to our radios. We have always been there...win or lose. Fans who can support their team in the good years and bad; fans who believe their team can get it done (even all the while knowing the odds are stacked against them; and, fans who will love their team no matter whose name is on the back, are just different types of fans. Is one type of fan better than another? Hell no! They are only different....not better.
 
cogito ergo sum said:
...The truth is, they have a chance...

Now that comment I can agree with. I just want to take it one step at a time and see what happens. This team is NOT as good as the teams of 2002 or 2003. Can they get better in time? Maybe.

And, to be totally honest, maybe is good enough for me right now. I love this team! I love what they've done and I've enjoyed every minute of the journey I've taken with them.

But right now they are NOT the best team in the league.

That doesn't mean I'm going to stop rooting for them and cheering them on as loudly as I can.

GO KINGS!!!!!
 
VF21 said:
Now that comment I can agree with. I just want to take it one step at a time and see what happens. This team is NOT as good as the teams of 2002 or 2003. Can they get better in time? Maybe.

And, to be totally honest, maybe is good enough for me right now. I love this team! I love what they've done and I've enjoyed every minute of the journey I've taken with them.

But right now they are NOT the best team in the league.

That doesn't mean I'm going to stop rooting for them and cheering them on as loudly as I can.

GO KINGS!!!!!

We Kings fans often talk about the 2002 season because we were so close to beating the Lakers and getting to the finals, but I often think about the 2003 team, how different things would have turn out that postseason and the following seasons, had Webber not blown out his knee.
 
When we traded C-Webb my first reaction was....Oh No! We gave up on the season already! To even make the playoffs with Brad out is a great accomplishment. Even if we get swept out in the 1st round I would still be proud of what we accomplished. But I think we can make noise in the playoffs this year. Why would anybody think we have a real chance to win it all. We have had much better teams in the last few years and still no ring! It would be one of the biggest upset of all time if we went all the way! But I will be rooting for just that as long as we are playing Ball this year!
 
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