Ailene Voisin: Columnist admits misquoting Kings' Landry

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I was a journalism student (at SCC, CRC and Sac State) and when I wrote my stories to include quotes I made sure to rewind my tape recorder as many times as it took to make sure I got every word correct. Deadline or not, I made sure to do my job correctly because not only was my credibility on the line but so was the publication I worked for too.

I am glad the truth is out and Landry's name is cleared of any wrong doing.

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/29/3361380/ailene-voisin-columnist-admits.html
 
I was a journalism student (at SCC, CRC and Sac State) and when I wrote my stories to include quotes I made sure to rewind my tape recorder as many times as it took to make sure I got every word correct. Deadline or not, I made sure to do my job correctly because not only was my credibility on the line but so was the publication I worked for too.

I am glad the truth is out and Landry's name is cleared of any wrong doing.

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/29/3361380/ailene-voisin-columnist-admits.html

Is it any surprise that Voisin would do something like this? Most of her articles are softcore porn for pete's sake.
 
For all intents and purposes, there isn't a whole lot of difference between what he actually said and what was reported. At any rate, she owned up to her mistake. Let those prefect folks who have never made a mistake on their job cast judgement on her. The rest of us, well, we understand. As for Carl "oversleeping" Landry, well, let's just say that he should be empathetic because he surely knows what ******* up on the job is like, lol.
 
I was a journalism student (at SCC, CRC and Sac State) and when I wrote my stories to include quotes I made sure to rewind my tape recorder as many times as it took to make sure I got every word correct. Deadline or not, I made sure to do my job correctly because not only was my credibility on the line but so was the publication I worked for too.

I am glad the truth is out and Landry's name is cleared of any wrong doing.

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/29/3361380/ailene-voisin-columnist-admits.html

Having read her stuff for way longer than I can remember, I'm glad someone has finally called her on this. She has often taken things out of context, spun them to meet her own agenda, etc. If memory serves, she is also a lawyer, so I'm pretty sure she's well aware of the need for accuracy in quoting someone.

RookieoftheDay - I'm not perfect at my job but I'm going to cast judgment on her anyway. If you do not hold journalists to a standard of accuracy, then you have nothing more than a bunch of fiction masquerading as fact. She knows better and I'm glad she fessed up but it's not because she wanted to. I'm willing to bet there was a lot of pressure brought to bear.

And with that, VF21 gets back into the TARDIS to go who knows where. ;)
 
For all intents and purposes, there isn't a whole lot of difference between what he actually said and what was reported. At any rate, she owned up to her mistake. Let those prefect folks who have never made a mistake on their job cast judgement on her. The rest of us, well, we understand. As for Carl "oversleeping" Landry, well, let's just say that he should be empathetic because he surely knows what ******* up on the job is like, lol.

Oh hell no. There is a huge difference between what he was QUOTED AS SAYING and what he actually said. The difference is huge, the tone, the placement of sentences. It makes a huge difference in the overall feeling and message. And it is incredibly irresponsible for Voisin to do that. It's pretty bad. And I don't believe for a second that it was just a little mistake. I think she was less than accurate because with what she reported him saying, there's quite a story there. To call it a mistake would be to elevate the original column to have been a genuine attempt at quality reporting. You can't make a mistake if you aren't trying to do something. She was not making an attempt at genuine, quality reporting. She was writing a trash article, as she often does.

It's one thing to make a mistake at work, forget to do something, be late, whatever. It's another entirely to be trashy in your job. Voisin's work is trashy. Voisin "apologizing" for making a "mistake" obscures her original action entirely. Her action of writing trash. If she really had integrity, she would apologize for being a trash reporter masquerading as a real journalist.
 
Having read her stuff for way longer than I can remember, I'm glad someone has finally called her on this. She has often taken things out of context, spun them to meet her own agenda, etc. If memory serves, she is also a lawyer, so I'm pretty sure she's well aware of the need for accuracy in quoting someone.

RookieoftheDay - I'm not perfect at my job but I'm going to cast judgment on her anyway. If you do not hold journalists to a standard of accuracy, then you have nothing more than a bunch of fiction masquerading as fact. She knows better and I'm glad she fessed up but it's not because she wanted to. I'm willing to bet there was a lot of pressure brought to bear.

And with that, VF21 gets back into the TARDIS to go who knows where. ;)

Obviously there's needs to be a standard of accuracy. But it would be absurd to hold anyone to a 100% standard of accuracy, even journalists make mistakes.
 
Oh hell no. There is a huge difference between what he was QUOTED AS SAYING and what he actually said. The difference is huge, the tone, the placement of sentences. It makes a huge difference in the overall feeling and message. And it is incredibly irresponsible for Voisin to do that. It's pretty bad. And I don't believe for a second that it was just a little mistake. I think she was less than accurate because with what she reported him saying, there's quite a story there. To call it a mistake would be to elevate the original column to have been a genuine attempt at quality reporting. You can't make a mistake if you aren't trying to do something. She was not making an attempt at genuine, quality reporting. She was writing a trash article, as she often does.

It's one thing to make a mistake at work, forget to do something, be late, whatever. It's another entirely to be trashy in your job. Voisin's work is trashy. Voisin "apologizing" for making a "mistake" obscures her original action entirely. Her action of writing trash. If she really had integrity, she would apologize for being a trash reporter masquerading as a real journalist.

Doesn't seem very likely that she'd knowingly write a fictitious article that was obviously going to blow up in her face. Without any evidence, it's just speculation and judging from your other comments about her, biased speculation at that.
 
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Oh hell no. There is a huge difference between what he was QUOTED AS SAYING and what he actually said. The difference is huge, the tone, the placement of sentences. It makes a huge difference in the overall feeling and message. And it is incredibly irresponsible for Voisin to do that. It's pretty bad. And I don't believe for a second that it was just a little mistake. I think she was less than accurate because with what she reported him saying, there's quite a story there. To call it a mistake would be to elevate the original column to have been a genuine attempt at quality reporting. You can't make a mistake if you aren't trying to do something. She was not making an attempt at genuine, quality reporting. She was writing a trash article, as she often does.

It's one thing to make a mistake at work, forget to do something, be late, whatever. It's another entirely to be trashy in your job. Voisin's work is trashy. Voisin "apologizing" for making a "mistake" obscures her original action entirely. Her action of writing trash. If she really had integrity, she would apologize for being a trash reporter masquerading as a real journalist.

I pretty much agree. What she quoted Landry as saying, and what he actually said was quite different. It's one thing if you're paraphrasing, but when quoting, and having used a recorder, make sure you get it right.

Otherwise, in a piece like the one she wrote, which was meant to grab attention, it comes across as having twisted a quote and using Landry as a pawn to suit her agenda, which I'm sure she did. What I don't get is the fact she's now done this type of thing a number of times, and is still employed by the bee, yet they have fired some pretty good writers along the way. It clearly wasn't a mistake, judging by how far off her quote was, and the context.
 
What I don't get is the fact she's now done this type of thing a number of times, and is still employed by the bee, yet they have fired some pretty good writers along the way. It clearly wasn't a mistake, judging by how far off her quote was, and the context.

I don't understand it either. If she was a student in any of my journalism classes, the mistake she made would have cost her an easy "F" grade.

I took pride in my stories and articles written even though I only wrote for the college newspaper and KHTK during my internship.
 
Doesn't seem very likely that she'd knowingly write a fictitious article that was obviously going to blow up in her face. Without any evidence, it's just speculation and judging from your other comments about her, biased speculation at that.

It wasn't "obviously going to blow up in her face" from her perspective due to her past experience of being able to get away with similar behavior. She just misjudged how much she'd be able to get away with this time. That's where she made her "error".

To say the article is "fictitious" is a misuse of the term and a deliberate avoidance of the fact that words and phrases can easily be slightly, or moderately changed to create a feeling that was not the original speakers intent, which is what happened here.

A fictitious article would have been one about how Landry dropped his pants and **** on Coach Westphal's head in the middle of practice. Are you able to detect the difference in those two scenarios?
 
To say the article is "fictitious" is a misuse of the term and a deliberate avoidance of the fact that words and phrases can easily be slightly, or moderately changed to create a feeling that was not the original speakers intent, which is what happened here.

A fictitious article would have been one about how Landry dropped his pants and **** on Coach Westphal's head in the middle of practice. Are you able to detect the difference in those two scenarios?

Things are fictitious if they're fabricated. The degree to which the fabrication differs from reality is irrelevant insofar is whether it's fictitious or not. Even slightly moderating things is fictitious.
 
Doesn't seem very likely that she'd knowingly write a fictitious article that was obviously going to blow up in her face. Without any evidence, it's just speculation and judging from your other comments about her, biased speculation at that.

Tell me, cause I'm not sure... do you actually believe that a professional journalist... someone who went to school, interened, and has worked in the field for many years, then used an actual recorder during an interview, would seriously not just maybe go over the article once before hitting send to make sure the quotes were right? Well, you would if you were interested in getting the quotes right. But if you are a trash reporter and trashing people gives you a mini orgasm (and keeps your job, thanks Bee, for all you do) you accidentally on purpose don't check your quotes, cause you like the trashy angle your story has, and you've made the judgement that this would be close enough that you could get away with it, because you have in the past.
 
Things are fictitious if they're fabricated. The degree to which the fabrication differs from reality is irrelevant insofar is whether it's fictitious or not. Even slightly moderating things is fictitious.

Agreed. But it was the quote that was fictitious, not the article. The article was partly fictitious. She created a partially fictitious quote to create a trumped up, partially fictitious article on purpose, hoping it was close enough to the real thing that she could get away with it. She got caught. That is what I believe happened. And it is based on her history.
 
Agreed. But it was the quote that was fictitious, not the article. The article was partly fictitious. She created a partially fictitious quote to create a trumped up, partially fictitious article on purpose, hoping it was close enough to the real thing that she could get away with it. She got caught. That is what I believe happened. And it is based on her history.

OK. I'll agree to disagree. I'm too stoked over beating The Lakers to argue about it.
 
She makes it sound like she misheard a few words. There are whole sentences missing. And she adds "Later, he also said ..." how much later did he say that and what was in between? I'm not buying it that she wasn't being selective to twist the meaning to what she wanted, but at least she is admitting that she screwed up.
 
Totally!! Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Kings!!

I keep thinking back on it going...did that really happen? LOL. Even when The Kings were up 20 I still thought they'd lose. Glad they proved me wrong. That was the best win in years. Hope it helps turn the team around. It really could. If you can beat the champs on the road you gotta feel like you can beat anyone.
 
I keep thinking back on it going...did that really happen? LOL. Even when The Kings were up 20 I still thought they'd lose. Glad they proved me wrong. That was the best win in years. Hope it helps turn the team around. It really could. If you can beat the champs on the road you gotta feel like you can beat anyone.

The good part is that it's not a fluke. They've been building up to it. That's when you really start to get your confidence. When you can see the small progress you've made and then all the sudden those little gains add up to something big like convincingly beating the champs on their own court. Just thoroughly outplaying them on both ends and in the middle. Usually there are one or two events that become a turning point and you've got it.

Yeah, and exactly... did that really happen.... That's the thing, from now on you have to believe in it because it DID happen. It changes your reality when things like this happen. Anytime you have a hard time believing something happened is when YOUR reality is challenged by ACTUAL reality. Pretty cool huh? From this point forward, we are forced to believe that we are a team capable of beating the best team in the world on their own court. Up until now we were just trying to believe that we could do that, now we can't avoid believing that.
 
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The good part is that it's not a fluke. They've been building up to it. That's when you really start to get your confidence. When you can see the small progress you've made and then all the sudden those little gains add up to something big like convincingly beating the champs on their own court. Just thoroughly outplaying them on both ends and in the middle. Usually there are one or two events that become a turning point and you've got it.

yeah I didn't even realize it until I looked at the schedule/results for January but all of their last six wins were Vs. good teams. In the last month they beat Memphis, Phoenix, Portland, Denver, New York, and L.A. Three of them were road victories, too. That's pretty impressive. Now if they can just start taking care of the bad teams when they play them...
 
Voisin made a sloppy mistake. If I were her editor, I would be upset about it and she would definitely hear about it. In fact, that's probably why she made this "public apology." But this is not, by itself, what you fire someone over. If this kind of misquoting happened on a regular basis, then yeah, she'd be history. And if she is "let go" in the next 6 months, you can bet that this wasn't her only mistake for which she should have apologized. But keep in mind that Voisin has been given the role of finding and writing about Kings controversies. The Bee has always had someone play this role. If she is only occasionally sloppy, that may suit their agenda just fine. In any case, I'm happy for Carl because what she did (and now publicly admits) helps to clear things up between Carl and the team.
 
Uh, are some of you serious?

I can understand misquoting a sentence by switching around a couple words, but Ailene moved sentences around, added and removed sentences, provided her own context, and placed emphasis where it so deliberately was not originally placed.

To say that this was a "simple mistake" is naive. There is a huge difference between:

"The basketball IQ on this team is not very good"

and

"So the knowledge, the basketball IQ of this team is probably not where it needs to be."

The underlying idea may be the same, however, the presentation was not. When you are dealing with a society in which every word is scrutinized for tone and meaning to fit with ones own agenda, proper presentation is crucial. Ailene completely manipulated the presentation.

For a professional, who boasts of how she has been trained for accuracy, this is a huge blunder. Add in that this was a supposed diatribe from a player, against his organization, during a time in which the organization is effectively in shambles, and this situation really pisses me off.

I do not understand why some people use the "mistakes happen" argument. Sure, I have made many mistakes. This was blatantly no mistake. Criticizing people under the mask of "at any rate, she owned up to her mistake. Let those prefect folks who have never made a mistake on their job cast judgement on her" holds absolutely no water.

There was an agenda. The choice was hers, and she made it. Her only mistake was thinking no one would call her on it.

Regardless of how he handles himself on the court from hereon out, Carl Landry just added me as a big fan. I think he handled this situation like a true professional. He could have really dug it in after Ailene admitted she lied. Instead, he took a "let's just let it go" attitude. I like that.

/rant
 
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Uh, are some of you serious?

I can understand misquoting a sentence by switching around a couple words, but Ailene moved sentences around, added and removed sentences, provided her own context, and placed emphasis where it so deliberately was not originally placed.

To say that this was a "simple mistake" is naive. There is a huge difference between:

"The basketball IQ on this team is not very good"

and

"So the knowledge, the basketball IQ of this team is probably not where it needs to be."

The underlying idea may be the same, however, the presentation was not. When you are dealing with a society in which every word is scrutinized for tone and meaning to fit with ones own agenda, presentation is important. Ailene completely manipulated the presentation.

For a professional, who boasts of how she has been trained for accuracy, this is a huge blunder. Adding in the context that this was a supposed diatribe from a player, against his organization, during a time in which the organization is effectively in shambles, and this situation really pisses me off.

I do not understand why some people use the "mistakes happen" argument. Sure, I have made many mistakes. This was blatantly no mistake. Therefore, criticizing people under the mask of "at any rate, she owned up to her mistake. Let those prefect folks who have never made a mistake on their job cast judgement on her" holds absolutely no water.

There was an agenda. The choice was hers, and she made it. Her only mistake was thinking no one would call her on it.

/rant

It really wasn't a "blunder" in any traditional sense of the word.
 
I'm tired of her stirring the s#!t. The team has enough problems as it is. If I were the Kings I'd revoke her press pass. I'd say they have every right now. This was ridiculous.
 
Having read her stuff for way longer than I can remember, I'm glad someone has finally called her on this. She has often taken things out of context, spun them to meet her own agenda, etc. If memory serves, she is also a lawyer, so I'm pretty sure she's well aware of the need for accuracy in quoting someone.

RookieoftheDay - I'm not perfect at my job but I'm going to cast judgment on her anyway. If you do not hold journalists to a standard of accuracy, then you have nothing more than a bunch of fiction masquerading as fact. She knows better and I'm glad she fessed up but it's not because she wanted to. I'm willing to bet there was a lot of pressure brought to bear.

And with that, VF21 gets back into the TARDIS to go who knows where. ;)

I agree with this 1 million percent. Our founding fathers intended for the press to be the last line of defense for the truth. If you reach a point where you can't believe the written words of the journalists, Then were going down the wrong road. There is absolutely no excuse for misquoting someone when you have the entire conversation on tape. Period! End of disscussion. The Bee should fire her sorry a$$, but they won't because she sold newspapers. And newspapers wonder why everyone is turning elsewhere for their information.
 
To say that this was a "simple mistake" is naive. There is a huge difference between:

"The basketball IQ on this team is not very good"

and

"So the knowledge, the basketball IQ of this team is probably not where it needs to be."

Also quite a bit of difference between saying that team BB IQ may not have progressed much due to recent coaches, vs recent coaches who "aren't here anymore."
 
ALIEN POISON is the worst sports journalist/beat writer on the West Coast. She in an embarrassment to the Sacramento Bee's Sports section, and by extension an embarrassment to the entire Sacramento Bee. Her articles rarely contain any information that is based in fact. She is persona non grata in the Kings Locker room. She often writes entire articles that are solely based on HER warped opinions. She has a deep inset hatred of Sacramento area sports which comes through loud and clear in her articles. She was the main reason why the best coach in Kings History, Rick Adelman was run out of town. She spearheaded the effort to have Rick railroaded out of town solely based on her hatred for the Kings, the Kings fans, and Rick Adelman himself. She wrote scathing articles about how incompetent Rick Adelman was, even though everything she reported was either false or misleading. She is vindictive, spiteful, and full of anger. Her brand of journalism (and I use that term VERY loosely) is a horrific distortion of the truth and she uses her forum to slander, ridicule, attack, and debase anyone who gets in her cross hairs. I have railed against Alien Poison for more that 5 years, sending constant complaint emails to the Sports Editor, the Bee Editor, and anyone else who will listen to have this person taken out of her position as Kings Beat Reporter. She hates the Kings, the Players, and the fans. I was hoping that when Bill Bradley was fired for his incompetence and for his inability to retain quality sports reporters as the Sports Editor, that Alien Poison would lose her job as well. She is the worst sports reporter on the West Coast. I'd prefer to read just about any article from any paper other than the Bee to actually get viable and factual reporting on our Kings team. It is sad when our own hometown paper doesnt have a reporter for the only professional sports team in town that is tolerable to read. She is the MAIN reason I came HERE for Kings news instead of the Sac Bee's website! She is H O R R I B L E! She is an embarrassment to the Sacramento Bee, the readers, and to our community! I will Rejoice when she is axed and someone who has any journalistic integrity at ALL replaces her.

And just so people dont think I am just some sort of sexist, I want to make it clear that gender has nothing to do with my loathing of Alien Poison. I believe that Susan Slusser on www.SFGATE.com is one of the best beat writers on the West Coast. She covers the Oakland A's and does a marvelous job doing so. So it is entirely possible to be a female and do the job of beat reporter of a professional sports team. But the fact of the matter is Alien Poison is a Horrendously BAD sports reporter who should have been replaced EONS ago by someone competent and unbiased. In fact, Alien Poison is neither unbiased, competent, or capable. She should be either fired or moved to the Politics section of the newspaper. Perhaps her attacking, vindictive, and untruthful style of writing would serve her well in the Political section of the paper. I just LOATHE her as the beat writer of the Kings, and I keep hoping that she just GOES AWAY! There have been at least 5 very good reporters who have been let go by the Bee who have gone on to much better situations like SI and ESPN. Yet for some reason, Miss Poison continues to spew forth her hatred and distortions unchecked. I was certain that when Bill Bradly was removed for his incompetence as the Sports Editor that Alien Poison would go down with him. - http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/06/3303094/ex-bee-sports-chief-launches-website.html - However, Alien Poison, (who must have incriminating evidence on the Editor in Chief of the Bee) seems to continue to spew forth her hatred like a broken fire hydrant! NEVER is there a positive, uplifting story about the Kings or their staff in Alien Poison's articles. Every story she writes as a DARK AGENDA. EVERY story has a dark angle that looks to undermine or character assassinate someone on the Kings staff. She almost single handedly ran Rick Adleman out of town, and she continues to find new targets to spew forth her vitriol. I for one can not stand her as a journalist or as a person. I canceled my subscription to the Bee 3 years ago mostly because of Alien Poison's diatribes and accusations that rarely had any basis in truth! I just dont read her articles anymore on the Sacbee Website because of the negativity and distortions of the truth that are far too often blatant and repugnant. PLEASE SACRAMENTO BEE, MAKE THE MADNESS END! FIRE ALIEN POISON !!
 
ALIEN POISON is the worst sports journalist/beat writer on the West Coast. She in an embarrassment to the Sacramento Bee's Sports section, and by extension an embarrassment to the entire Sacramento Bee. Her articles rarely contain any information that is based in fact. She is persona non grata in the Kings Locker room. She often writes entire articles that are solely based on HER warped opinions. She has a deep inset hatred of Sacramento area sports which comes through loud and clear in her articles. She was the main reason why the best coach in Kings History, Rick Adelman was run out of town. She spearheaded the effort to have Rick railroaded out of town solely based on her hatred for the Kings, the Kings fans, and Rick Adelman himself. She wrote scathing articles about how incompetent Rick Adelman was, even though everything she reported was either false or misleading. She is vindictive, spiteful, and full of anger. Her brand of journalism (and I use that term VERY loosely) is a horrific distortion of the truth and she uses her forum to slander, ridicule, attack, and debase anyone who gets in her cross hairs. I have railed against Alien Poison for more that 5 years, sending constant complaint emails to the Sports Editor, the Bee Editor, and anyone else who will listen to have this person taken out of her position as Kings Beat Reporter. She hates the Kings, the Players, and the fans. I was hoping that when Bill Bradley was fired for his incompetence and for his inability to retain quality sports reporters as the Sports Editor, that Alien Poison would lose her job as well. She is the worst sports reporter on the West Coast. I'd prefer to read just about any article from any paper other than the Bee to actually get viable and factual reporting on our Kings team. It is sad when our own hometown paper doesnt have a reporter for the only professional sports team in town that is tolerable to read. She is the MAIN reason I came HERE for Kings news instead of the Sac Bee's website! She is H O R R I B L E! She is an embarrassment to the Sacramento Bee, the readers, and to our community! I will Rejoice when she is axed and someone who has any journalistic integrity at ALL replaces her.

And just so people dont think I am just some sort of sexist, I want to make it clear that gender has nothing to do with my loathing of Alien Poison. I believe that Susan Slusser on www.SFGATE.com is one of the best beat writers on the West Coast. She covers the Oakland A's and does a marvelous job doing so. So it is entirely possible to be a female and do the job of beat reporter of a professional sports team. But the fact of the matter is Alien Poison is a Horrendously BAD sports reporter who should have been replaced EONS ago by someone competent and unbiased. In fact, Alien Poison is neither unbiased, competent, or capable. She should be either fired or moved to the Politics section of the newspaper. Perhaps her attacking, vindictive, and untruthful style of writing would serve her well in the Political section of the paper. I just LOATHE her as the beat writer of the Kings, and I keep hoping that she just GOES AWAY! There have been at least 5 very good reporters who have been let go by the Bee who have gone on to much better situations like SI and ESPN. Yet for some reason, Miss Poison continues to spew forth her hatred and distortions unchecked. I was certain that when Bill Bradly was removed for his incompetence as the Sports Editor that Alien Poison would go down with him. - http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/06/3303094/ex-bee-sports-chief-launches-website.html - However, Alien Poison, (who must have incriminating evidence on the Editor in Chief of the Bee) seems to continue to spew forth her hatred like a broken fire hydrant! NEVER is there a positive, uplifting story about the Kings or their staff in Alien Poison's articles. Every story she writes as a DARK AGENDA. EVERY story has a dark angle that looks to undermine or character assassinate someone on the Kings staff. She almost single handedly ran Rick Adleman out of town, and she continues to find new targets to spew forth her vitriol. I for one can not stand her as a journalist or as a person. I canceled my subscription to the Bee 3 years ago mostly because of Alien Poison's diatribes and accusations that rarely had any basis in truth! I just dont read her articles anymore on the Sacbee Website because of the negativity and distortions of the truth that are far too often blatant and repugnant. PLEASE SACRAMENTO BEE, MAKE THE MADNESS END! FIRE ALIEN POISON !!

Yeah, but what do you really think?
 
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