After 1 and half season how do you view the Ron-Peja trade?
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Vlade4GM
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talent for talent at the time it was a great trade. I thought we had nothing to lose, but I was wrong. We could've just lost peja's contract, had a much better pick in last year's draft, and it would've sparked a full rebuild last offseason. However with Artest he gave the Maloofs false hope and caused them to try and win now and delay the rebuild a year (assuming they actually change things this offseason). Now we'll have nothing to show for Artest cuz there is no way in hell he'll still be around once we get back on our feet. It was a big waste of time, but who would've thought the Maloofs would be so stupid? ok..forget I asked that. How we really could've capitalized on the Artest trade was by trading him last offseason while his stock was on the rise. Sell him off to some sucker GM, but unfortunetly our FO was the sucker.
TheJoker
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Vlade4GM said:
Why did we have to loss Peja's contract when we could've simpley S&T Peja for talent or picks? are we forgetting Peja was a MVP candidate in the 04 season before Webber caused a set-back?
what do we miss the most. Pejas amazing shooting or do we like the fact Ron is beating up his wife and causing a explosion concerning the dog?
i was never in favor of letting Peja stay but i didn't like the trade and sadly it makes me miss Peja.
We wouldn't have gotten all that for Peja but we'd have his salary off the cap atleast.
Bull-dooty. This whole blame everything on Webber era is over.
What is the point of this kind of stuff? Peja's amazing shooting was pretty much gone by the time he left here. Check the records.
Time passes. Team change.
Unfortunately it's never going to be over IMO. Atleast not until we're a good team again.
Bricklayer
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Pretty good.
It was a good risk at the time. Peja was never what some hoped he would be and we actually got a talent upgrade in the deal. We are obviously paying for it now, but the initial move was the definition of reasonable risk.
It was a good risk at the time. Peja was never what some hoped he would be and we actually got a talent upgrade in the deal. We are obviously paying for it now, but the initial move was the definition of reasonable risk.
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TheJoker
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VF21 said:
It has nothing to do with Webber. i just wish Webber would've let Peja be the MVP in the 04 season
VF21 said:
I'm checking our record currently and we have been nothing sort of poop when we got Ron.
we have been a 500 team since we got Ron heck not even.
VF21 said:
It depends how the team changes. and at this point it has been nothing sort of exciting.
Geoff
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If someone has to be "allowed" to be an MVP, then he's not an MVP. An MVP steps up when the time comes, and does his best come what may, no matter who returns or doesn't return to the team. The fact that you said Webber should have "let" Peja be the MVP clearly proves that Peja was not and never will be MVP quality.
As to who got the better end of the deal...well, the Kings have certainly gotten more out of Ron than the Pacers and Hornets have gotten out of Peja. Ron-Ron may be a crazy mofo, but he hasn't been injured. The trade was needed then, and while the bill is being paid now, I think it is less expensive than if Peja was on the injured list in Sactown.
Think about it. If you have this current team with Peja instead of Ron, and then Peja gets injured like he did with the Hornets, what would have happened to this team?
As to who got the better end of the deal...well, the Kings have certainly gotten more out of Ron than the Pacers and Hornets have gotten out of Peja. Ron-Ron may be a crazy mofo, but he hasn't been injured. The trade was needed then, and while the bill is being paid now, I think it is less expensive than if Peja was on the injured list in Sactown.
Think about it. If you have this current team with Peja instead of Ron, and then Peja gets injured like he did with the Hornets, what would have happened to this team?
Peja wasn't an MVP quality player. He was a product of Doug Christie and Vlade Divac's passing in Rick Adelman's offense. When those guys left he became a 17 PPG who could basically shoot 3s at 40% and shoot 43% overall. He needs great passers to make him. DC/Vlade made him what he was.
Big Cuz 15
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your right, we woulda went into rebuild mode. the trade was good last year. what we should've done was trade artest in the offseason since his value was at its peak.
slugking50
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To paraphrase Dennis Green: "It was what I thought it was!!"
nbrans
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It was a very good trade at the time, and it was a talent upgrade. However, the writing was all over the wall for everyoen to see this season that Ron was on the verge of... something, and they should have traded him this season. We all knew it, the warning signs were there. It could have been a case of buy low sell high, but barring an ego trip by Mike Dunleavy or Pat Riley, I can't see someone taking Artest off our hands anytime soon.
bozzwell
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It was a good trade. With the benefit of the hindsight, it could have been better (Magette or Chandler come to mind), but we can't really complain even now that Artest is "going off" since Pedja is not even playing, let alone producing according to his abilities.
We should be much happier then Indy fans with the trade, because if nothing else, our management will have to stop fooling themselves about "reloading" this off season. I hope.
We should be much happier then Indy fans with the trade, because if nothing else, our management will have to stop fooling themselves about "reloading" this off season. I hope.
Let's revisit this in the offseason. I think we are going to be able to move Artest. I think we are all tired of the general turmoil surrounding this team (arena/Maloofs/Muss/Bibby/Artest), and that Artest's gaffes get magnified. His legal troubles are serious, but honestly, not beyond the pale in this league. I think either Isaih or Riley pulls the trigger on him in the offseason. Never underestimate a recently extended Isaih Thomas!!!
I have to agree. It seemed risky from the beginning, but we easily came out on top in that trade, and then the question was: what would we do with it? If, last summer, we had embraced rebuilding and traded him for some raw young talent, we could be in far better shape than we are now. Because he was playing like a total stud and had a cheap contract, we might have even been able to use him as sweetener in unloading another player, which really doesn't seem like it would be the case now.
So I think it's all a matter of context. Taken in isolation, the trade was great. If you're really asking "What do you think of the trade if it's followed by a year of bungling and missed opportunities by the coaching staff, GM, and owners?" then the answer has to be different, but you're not really judging the trade anymore, you're judging all sorts of other garbage, too.
And probably a lot fewer fans.
Ron Artest put a breath of life back into the team with his arrival. Had he NOT arrived, this board would look a lot like a ghost town. Artest, like him or not, put butts in the seats in Arco and gave Kings fans SOMETHING to cheer about that we certainly didn't have before.
You're acting as though everything past and present has to be about the stupid draft coming up. Well, that's not true. The draft is only ONE player and, even if it's the number one player, the turnaround of the team is not going to happen overnight.
I know mine isn't the prevailing opinion but I'm a lot more interested in player acquisitions that are made BESIDES the draft. There are a number of problems that need to be addressed ... and I'm clinging to the hope that they will be. And it will be in addition to and possibly more important than (at least in the short term) who the Kings are able to acquire on Draft Day.
HighFlyingMonkey
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And it's not like we're stuck with him long term or anything. He's an expiring next year.
Vlade4GM
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Well if we could've done that, that's even better.
Vlade4GM
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you're assuming the kings had to resign him or something. he would've been traded or flat out let go.
Vlade4GM
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Fans come and go, you act like if they leave they're gone forever. I don't think Artest really makes that big of difference in the "playoff hopes", I like to believe they're not as naive as the Maloofs. Doing what's best for the team should take precedence over fan appeal. Fans can always be won back relatively quickly, but mediocrity can stick for a long time.
Well I think it's been pretty much established that we need to rebuild and start over. Obviously not everything is about that one draft pick, but I think besides it being symbolic for the whole process it's a focal point because it's the shot at a free top young prospect. Obviously the moves we make this offseason like the MLE (if we choose to use it), trades involving the vets, are all just important if not moreso. However I think the draft pick and in general the draft needs to be the focal point of all of it and more importantly it needs to be all apart of one consistent vision for the future of this team. No one believes the rebuilding process is only going to last overnight.
I think you're forgetting VF that if we rebuild and start over, we have a whole team to build not just the problems we currently have with this crap squad. Theoretically lots of things will change and we need to go after the best talent not just specific needs we have now which may become irrelevant.
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Vlade4GM
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That's IF he opts out.
Circa_1985_Fan
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I know I'll take some heat from everyone for this but: Ron Artest, isn't the root of everything wrong with the Kings. It's not his fault that he doesn't have the strong-willed coach that he needs. That is the Maloof's fault, as is a lot of other things in the past year or so. Ron Artest can't play for a guy like Muss(not to mention any other player), or Tim Floyd(Chicago), or Carlisle when he was in Indy. It worked with Adelman because he, like other players, respected him as a great coach, and more than anything else, a former player. GP needs to have control again, and he needs to bring in our next coach, not totally the Family Maloof. I liked the trade for Ron when it happened, and I still like it now. The powers that be within the
Kings organization need to realize these things, and perhaps talk to their players about this to get THEIR opinion on some of the potential candidates to make sure they get the right guy for the job.
Kings organization need to realize these things, and perhaps talk to their players about this to get THEIR opinion on some of the potential candidates to make sure they get the right guy for the job.
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Vlade4GM
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Well the kings needed to rebuild regardless if they had made the 7th-8th seed this season or not, it's not so much ron artest's fault personally he's done well on the court, but it's what his presence did to the maloofs. Also, I don't think it's right to have to get a coach Ron Artest respects in order for him to follow orders. He should respect the coach's decision because he's the f'n coach. That's how the chain of demand works unless you're a superstar type player which Artest isn't, but try telling him that.
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Circa_1985_Fan
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Agreed, but I doubt that anyone outside of Kevin Martin really listens to what Muss has to say, in the first place...its not like Muss commands respect with his track record and no experience playing the game. I think in this modern day NBA, that says alot. I think the same thing would have happened if the Maloofs would have hired their other choice in Ole' Whiz...that guy would command even less respect from players than Muss, if thats possible.
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