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The Kings would have been better off in Seattle. I lived through a few great seasons, a few decent season, and about 30+ seasons of suckatude since 1985. Tired of Vivek’s ineptness and the eternal losing culture. The game is rigid against us.DOCO is becoming a ghost town. I’m done guys/gals. Let them go.
 
If this team moved to Seattle, they wouldn't be the Kings anymore since Seattle was able to keep the Sonics/Supersonics name and colors in anticipation of a future NBA return. Do you think the Kings not existing at all is a better outcome than the Kings continuing to exist but struggling to put a winning team on the court in perpetuity? Evidently so, but a counter-argument could be made that having a bad team to watch is better than having no team. That's the side of the argument I would put myself on anyway.

I don't know why today of all days triggered "enough is enough" for you since the Kings' chances of moving up in the draft this year could have been rounded down to 0. I guess the inevitably of draft failure combined with star players now dictating which teams they want to play for (Fox, for example) does add up to a hopeless situation if you want to connect the dots that way. Our star player maneuvering his way onto a team that then won the #2 pick in the lottery just a few months later does feel particularly insulting. Losing our pick to Atlanta because Dallas out-tanked us by 1 game and then seeing Dallas move up from a 2-way tie with Chicago for the 11/12 seeds into the first overall pick also stings.

So yeah, I guess I do understand your frustration. Everything about the draft lottery has been bad for Sacramento for decades. But we did have the Beam Team two years ago. As long as the Kings still play in Sacramento the potential for joy to return is always there, however remote.
 
hrdboild said:
If this team moved to Seattle, they wouldn't be the Kings anymore since Seattle was able to keep the Sonics/Supersonics name and colors in anticipation of a future NBA return. Do you think the Kings not existing at all is a better outcome than the Kings continuing to exist but struggling to put a winning team on the court in perpetuity? Evidently so, but a counter-argument could be made that having a bad team to watch is better than having no team. That's the side of the argument I would put myself on anyway.

I don't know why today of all days triggered "enough is enough" for you since the Kings' chances of moving up in the draft this year could have been rounded down to 0. I guess the inevitably of draft failure combined with star players now dictating which teams they want to play for (Fox, for example) does add up to a hopeless situation if you want to connect the dots that way. Our star player maneuvering his way onto a team that then won the #2 pick in the lottery just a few months later does feel particularly insulting. Losing our pick to Atlanta because Dallas out-tanked us by 1 game and then seeing Dallas move up from a 2-way tie with Chicago for the 11/12 seeds into the first overall pick also stings.

So yeah, I guess I do understand your frustration. Everything about the draft lottery has been bad for Sacramento for decades. But we did have the Beam Team two years ago. As long as the Kings still play in Sacramento the potential for joy to return is always there, however remote.
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Yah, I’m not concerned about them being named the sonics. The Beam team happened because the rest of the west was injured. Either that or other team learned how to stop us and we never changed strategies. I have had many years where I couldn’t even give away season tickets. And that was most years. Honestly the nba should have relegation maybe we could win the g-league.
 
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Basketball aside, keeping the Kings has generated millions of dollars for the region and that’s not even counting the impact of having a world-class arena in G1C (which would never have happened if the Kings moved) hosting events like March Madness, premium live events, concerts, and everything else almost every other day during the year.

Vivek’s inability to field a competent basketball team aside, the man has probably had the largest impact any single non-politician has had on the city of Sacramento since Lukenbill moved the Kings here four decades ago.
 
Tetsujin said:
Vivek’s inability to field a competent basketball team aside, the man has probably had the largest impact any single non-politician has had on the city of Sacramento since Lukenbill moved the Kings here four decades ago.
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Beyond that he seems committed to the town. Whatever your feelings on the A's mess is, that's still 3 years of something that maybe lends itself to more for Sac down the line. The arena is special.

And he wants to win. His biggest critics in the media don't doubt this. He'll figure it out. It's very possible if this next season is a disaster the tankers will get their wish. We shipped Boogie and rebooted and immediately got Fox plus Buddy and a #10 pick we traded for 15 and 20 and blew. Then we got the number two overall in a stacked draft and blew that one. When they finally traded out of Bagley and other baggage (which also included drafting and trading Hali for Domas) the next year they were one of the most exciting young teams in the league. The basketball people then somehow blew the next step. But it's not that he completely never tanked, it's just that he immediately got young players the next two years and thought it would work.

Let's just hope Perry is competent and either the team improves or resets itself at the deadline, either way he has all his picks moving forward plus a few that may or may not be good but can also be used as trade assets in the meantime.
 
It would of been a tough transition for fans to either give up the sport or pick a new team to root for, which I was preparing to do. However, giving up being only a Kings fan has been a relief, despite my participation on a Kings forum and my username, I still enjoy talking basketball with strangers on here, among other topics which the forum does provide.
 
Maybe Vivek will be able to put a sustainable winner on the court while he remains the owner. Maybe he won't. But the team is in Sacramento, and that is a good thing for Kings fans, for the city, and for the region. This all just amounts to a lot of frustrated grousing. And I've been there myself. You can elect not to watch, not to visit KF.com, etc. I took time away from the team and from this forum after DeMarcus Cousins was traded. I came back when I was able to create a healthier relationship with the very notion of sports fandom.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Beyond that he seems committed to the town. Whatever your feelings on the A's mess is, that's still 3 years of something that maybe lends itself to more for Sac down the line. The arena is special.

And he wants to win. His biggest critics in the media don't doubt this. He'll figure it out. It's very possible if this next season is a disaster the tankers will get their wish. We shipped Boogie and rebooted and immediately got Fox plus Buddy and a #10 pick we traded for 15 and 20 and blew. Then we got the number two overall in a stacked draft and blew that one. When they finally traded out of Bagley and other baggage (which also included drafting and trading Hali for Domas) the next year they were one of the most exciting young teams in the league. The basketball people then somehow blew the next step. But it's not that he completely never tanked, it's just that he immediately got young players the next two years and thought it would work.

Let's just hope Perry is competent and either the team improves or resets itself at the deadline, either way he has all his picks moving forward plus a few that may or may not be good but can also be used as trade assets in the meantime.
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No they didn’t tank even a little when they should have. The year of the Davion Mitchell draft had a number of good small forwards.

Over the last 16 games we went 9-7 and refused to trade Barnes. Cunningham, Mobley, Barnes, Giddey, Kuminga and Wagner all went before we drafted Davion.

Had we traded Barnes and tanked a little our team very likely could have been

Fox, Haliburton, Nesmith, Wagner/Kuminga, Sengun.
 
sactowndog said:
No they didn’t tank even a little when they should have. The year of the Davion Mitchell draft had a number of good small forwards.

Over the last 16 games we went 9-7 and refused to trade Barnes. Cunningham, Mobley, Barnes, Giddey, Kuminga and Wagner all went before we drafted Davion.

Had we traded Barnes and tanked a little our team very likely could have been

Fox, Haliburton, Nesmith, Wagner/Kuminga, Sengun.
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When we traded Boogie we immediately went to suck and then sucked the next year.

Not wanting to argue too much about it but that is the sort of tank that the "good" tank teams do, they just have more than one Boogie to sell and get a better return. If we had nailed pick 10 or picks 15 and 20 and then picked Luka we'd be OKC before OKC talent rich though.

We're actually set up to do that over the next 2-3 years if Perry plays it right. Which I guess to say people point to Vivek as the problem, and he's not immune from critique, but really we need a GM who can nail both the wheel and dealing trade game as well as make the correct picks. We've had one or the other, often neither, but not both. I still say Clay Bennett is a terrible person/owner but he has the best GM in the game bar none. We need someone who can work within the constraints ownership gives them like Presti does with a guy who doesn't like paying his players.
 
Tetsujin said:
tHe KiNgS wOuLd HaVe BeEn BeTtEr OfF iN sEaTtLe

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Basketball aside, keeping the Kings has generated millions of dollars for the region and that’s not even counting the impact of having a world-class arena in G1C (which would never have happened if the Kings moved) hosting events like March Madness, premium live events, concerts, and everything else almost every other day during the year.

Vivek’s inability to field a competent basketball team aside, the man has probably had the largest impact any single non-politician has had on the city of Sacramento since Lukenbill moved the Kings here four decades ago.
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That SpongeBob meme will never not be funny. The “aight imma head out” too
 
pdxKingsFan said:
When we traded Boogie we immediately went to suck and then sucked the next year.

Not wanting to argue too much about it but that is the sort of tank that the "good" tank teams do, they just have more than one Boogie to sell and get a better return. If we had nailed pick 10 or picks 15 and 20 and then picked Luka we'd be OKC before OKC talent rich though.

We're actually set up to do that over the next 2-3 years if Perry plays it right. Which I guess to say people point to Vivek as the problem, and he's not immune from critique, but really we need a GM who can nail both the wheel and dealing trade game as well as make the correct picks. We've had one or the other, often neither, but not both. I still say Clay Bennett is a terrible person/owner but he has the best GM in the game bar none. We need someone who can work within the constraints ownership gives them like Presti does with a guy who doesn't like paying his players.
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No the problem was we didn’t commit when we should have. The team Haliburton’s rookie year was not good enough to compete and had we just tanked the one year more by trading Barnes this team could have been balanced and good. The Davion draft was stacked with good young wings.
 
sactowndog said:
No the problem was we didn’t commit when we should have. The team Haliburton’s rookie year was not good enough to compete and had we just tanked the one year more by trading Barnes this team could have been balanced and good. The Davion draft was stacked with good young wings.
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We were absolute dogsh- for 4 of the past 5 seasons, I get the "tank one more year" at some point you do damage to your young guys. Maybe Bagley could have been saved if the team wasn't chaos, for example. I do believe a lot of guys drafted near the top if they don't get the right coaching/motivation/mix of off court vs. on court success just never pull their heads out and just ride the lifestyle rather than strive for more.

Making the correct pick is far more important at some point. Even Presti with this current OKC group is doing a much better job with the guys who aren't Chet. Chet is just the cherry on top.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
We were absolute dogsh- for 4 of the past 5 seasons, I get the "tank one more year" at some point you do damage to your young guys. Maybe Bagley could have been saved if the team wasn't chaos, for example. I do believe a lot of guys drafted near the top if they don't get the right coaching/motivation/mix of off court vs. on court success just never pull their heads out and just ride the lifestyle rather than strive for more.

Making the correct pick is far more important at some point. Even Presti with this current OKC group is doing a much better job with the guys who aren't Chet. Chet is just the cherry on top.
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We were and our highest finish pre-Lottery was what 7? Sitting in the back half of the lottery year after year is the definition of stupid.
 
sactowndog said:
We were and our highest finish pre-Lottery was what 7? Sitting in the back half of the lottery year after year is the definition of stupid.
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Ask Utah how they feel about the process. This team is absolutely better than 20 wins a season. Even if you launch everyone but Keon, Keegan, and Carter, you're going to get a good haul and some players who won't land you in the front half of the lottery. If you want that kind of team, everyone has to go.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
And yet playing for lottery odds until you land your superstar is a complete slap in the face to anyone who buys a ticket.

League needs to rectify that.
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Personally I paid for a ticket and I would have preferred hoping for a good lottery result. Even as a Jazz fan looking at whom we might draft and how they might develop beats anticipating the Kings season next year.
 
Spike said:
Ask Utah how they feel about the process. This team is absolutely better than 20 wins a season. Even if you launch everyone but Keon, Keegan, and Carter, you're going to get a good haul and some players who won't land you in the front half of the lottery. If you want that kind of team, everyone has to go.
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Probably better than those springing for Kings tickets.
 
I’m one of those fans who’s geographically not affiliated with the team. Yet, I didn’t realize being a Kings fan comes with large attachments: the city, fans, the Arco, and even the cowbells. Speaking of Vivek’s ineptitude, at least he deserves a nod for keeping the team.
 
sono said:
I’m one of those fans who’s geographically not affiliated with the team. Yet, I didn’t realize being a Kings fan comes with large attachments: the city, fans, the Arco, and even the cowbells. Speaking of Vivek’s ineptitude, at least he deserves a nod for keeping the team.
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Props to you for sticking around with no geographical attachment. And anyone else, including @Mr. S£im Citrus.
 
Tetsujin said:
tHe KiNgS wOuLd HaVe BeEn BeTtEr OfF iN sEaTtLe

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Basketball aside, keeping the Kings has generated millions of dollars for the region and that’s not even counting the impact of having a world-class arena in G1C (which would never have happened if the Kings moved) hosting events like March Madness, premium live events, concerts, and everything else almost every other day during the year.

Vivek’s inability to field a competent basketball team aside, the man has probably had the largest impact any single non-politician has had on the city of Sacramento since Lukenbill moved the Kings here four decades ago.
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It’s been a while… was it either vevik or Seattle? Was there not another option that would’ve kept the kings in Sac
 
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