Adelman

#61
nbrans said:
Um, that's my point.

And honestly, I think it was better PR to pursue Phil Jackson and make a public (if obviously futile) effort to go after him than to coddle Adelman. It at least shows that they're serious about championships and aren't content with winning 50 games and getting bounced in the first round. It was worth a shot. And if Adelman really didn't want this played out in the media, he could have said something really simple: "I'm not worried about it." Instead he's been complaining.
i don't believe calling RA first just to give him a heads up is coddling. just my opinion.
 
#63
Great, thats all we need, a sour grape coach going into next season. Good grief...just get rid of him and shop for another coach. I think Im in the minority with Ryle, but I could care less.
 
#64
PFFFT!! said:
Great, thats all we need, a sour grape coach going into next season. Good grief...just get rid of him and shop for another coach. I think Im in the minority with Ryle, but I could care less.


and who do you suggest? they're not exactly growing on trees, not good ones anyway;)
 
#65
I can't see how Adelman can be coach now that he's asked out from the team. And you can be darn sure that the Blazers checked with Adelman before calling Petrie for permission. The players will start treating Adelman like he's on the way out the door. This is no way to go into the season.
 
#66
loopymitch said:


and who do you suggest? they're not exactly growing on trees, not good ones anyway;)
At this point the best you can hope for is Terry Porter. The guy that Adelman trained. Petrie built the team for Adelman's offense.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#67
Wow, you can almost hear the toilet flushing as the 2nd winningest franchise of the decade spirals down the drain. Of course in some ways I like this -- only in some ways, but its nice to see Rick not doing the turn the other cheek thing. You've won 700+ games, you've earned the right to say f you if you feel taken advantage of.

That said, this franchise really needs to clean up its act NOW. Need some communication. Some apologies where appropriate. Some common understanding and a united front. Some setting aside of personal agendas.
And after that if Rick is NOT going to be back, we'd have to do something really quick here or just be stuck with scraps at coach and crossing our fingers with some assistant that has maybe a 1 in 10 chance of being in Rick's league. Wouldn't be fair to Rick either since our incredible lack of appreciation aside, its not every day a 700 win coach with multiple NBA Finals appearances, 13 of 15 years in the playoffs etc. hits the market.
 
#68
1. We do not know that he asked out.
2. RA is a darn good coach and there is not a better one out there available.
3. Enough of the blame game. We had a bad ending to a rough season.
4. We start over now. It is up to the players, coaches, GM, and owners to improve this season. Either way, it is a team. Win together, lose together.
 
#69
Rick's era is over, unfortunately. Not because he's bad, but because, as someone said previously, the 2002 Kings are now kaput, and all this drama will not lend itself to bringing him back. The Maloofs were trying to eat their cake and have it, and that is gonna cost them...

Any negatives that one may perceive about Adelman should be more than outweighed by the positives and the 6 straight playoff appearances. We didn't make it to the championships in 2002 because of Horry/refs/injuries/choking players, but none of that is Adelman's fault and when he goes, I don't think the glory days will return for a long time.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#70
Geoff said:
Rick's era is over, unfortunately. Not because he's bad, but because, as someone said previously, the 2002 Kings are now kaput, and all this drama will not lend itself to bringing him back. The Maloofs were trying to eat their cake and have it, and that is gonna cost them...

Any negatives that one may perceive about Adelman should be more than outweighed by the positives and the 6 straight playoff appearances. We didn't make it to the championships in 2002 because of Horry/refs/injuries/choking players, but none of that is Adelman's fault and when he goes, I don't think the glory days will return for a long time.
Well said, Geoff.

My prediction is that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better... and we laughed at the drama in LaLaLand.

...

...

...
 
#72
ive been a kings fan since the 99-00 season because my cuzins lived in la and loved there style of play. 99-00 season was also when i started folowing the nba. and i will be a kingsfan forever and ever. since ive been a fan only since that season i have never experienced sacramento in its rebuilding mode.

i gotta ask... how does it feel to be a kingsfan durinng these times compared to the winning feeling ???
 
#73
Well, who didn't know Rick would want to go back to Portland?

Seven years and three excellent chances are probably all Rick will look back on anyway, I don't see anything changing if nothing changes, especially in one year. I could give all the reasons why I think a new coaching style would be desirable, but somehow that doesn't fit in a thread about Adelman being pissed.

We can only just wait and hope, but don't throw the baby out with the personnel bathwater, a coaching change may do wonders, who really knows? Does anyone think Adelman, as he feels now, can do a good job? He obviously wants out, give him a pass Maloof's. You owe it to him.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#74
RaY Z said:
ive been a kings fan since the 99-00 season because my cuzins lived in la and loved there style of play. 99-00 season was also when i started folowing the nba. and i will be a kingsfan forever and ever. since ive been a fan only since that season i have never experienced sacramento in its rebuilding mode.

i gotta ask... how does it feel to be a kingsfan durinng these times compared to the winning feeling ???
It's a new experience for us, too. From the beginning, when the team stunk, during the years when the team stunk, up until 1999, when there was a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel, things have been improving or at least not getting worse.

We've never been in a situation before where we were trying to rebuild to elite status because we had never been elite before.

A lot of us are just praying we don't go all the way back down to "stink"...
 
#75
loopymitch said:
I wish we had got Phil but not because I don't like RA, in fact the opposite. He has been great for this team and the fact that we even got to the playoffs this past year was incredible considering our season. The lack of respect for him was very unprofessional, he should be allowed to go to Portland or wherever he chooses and unless we have a replacement, that won't happen, although I'm sure there are some loopholes somewhere that could get him out of Sac. if he wants it bad enough.
I used to have total faith in the Maloofs but I don't anymore. We are not that shiny toy a kid gets at christmas and then discards because they get a newer shinier one. This is a basketball team as well as a business. IMHO their heart is not in it anymore and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see us move in the near future. If they're just not interested anymore then sell the team, don't ruin it.
For such "savvy" businessmen, they make some very questionable moves and decisions. If apathy prevails, it'll be the death of this team. GP can work wonders but without the Maloofs his hands are tied.

Have a little more faith in the Maloofs. They have already accomplished so much in such a short time. If you ask me we are taking our owners for granted. They have been spending for years now, and I still feel they will do the best for this team because they truly love this team. You can see it, their like little kids when they cheer for the Kings. I don't know of any other owners that give out their personal contact information to the public either. They might be cutting a few corners here and there, but they have to as business men, but in the end it's for the greater good of the team. Our owners are class acts and will bring us back to eliteness as soon as the opportunity presents itself in my most humble opinion.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#77
Smart_guy3 said:
It will be a wonderful day once Adelman gets fired from this team.
That you for such an intelligent and thought provoking first post. I'm sure your contribution to this board will be enormous.
 
S

Smart_guy3

Guest
#78
Bricklayer said:
That you for such an intelligent and thought provoking first post. I'm sure your contribution to this board will be enormous.
I like what Adleman did for this team but it's time for some change.
 
#79
Monty THe Moron had a reporter from the Portland Trib on who knew the author of that piece. He said that the author really wants RA back in Portland but appearently the Portland GM Nash doesn't. He wants a new guy that I cant remembr offhand. Think it starts with a Q. Hes an assistant coach with Portland.
 
#80
Smart_guy3 said:
It will be a wonderful day once Adelman gets fired from this team.

Please tell me who you think would do a better job. If you are going to fire one of the best coaches out there, you better have an upgrade for his replacement. I do not see one available.
 
#81
Okay, another newbie chiming in. Hard core Laker fan until 1999 - total King loyalist since. I swear it. I've read your forums everyday, and watched 95% of the games on Directv the the last 5+ years.

Adelman's key to turning this squad into the best at one time, was helped by an especially good relationship with Webber, Christie, Vlade (and even JW it seemed). He got the most out of all them. Hmmm, I just realized they are exactly what the King's need now. But - they were done IMHO, shells of their former selves when sent along. He needs to get the most out of new guys now.

I don't know if he can.

I think the Phil Jackson issue will kill Adelman's attitude plain and simple. It's a chip on his shoulder that will cloud the chemistry. He could probably mold a new group as well as anyone. My biggest complaint has always been is substituting. He's made fatal decisions over the years keeping key guys in the game and out of the game too long. Way too long. Umm Marcus Camby and Larry Huges would help give him a contender again along with releasing Thomas, Skinner and Williams, but in lieu of that maybe Flip Saunders isn't the worst idea of all time as a replacement.

Then again rosters helps the head guys look brilliant, so maybe a creative roster like this would make Adelman coach of the year

Bibby
Hughes
Camby
Miller
Peja

Darius (sign)
Brian Grant (MLE after released?)
Bobby Jacks
Garcia
 
#82
slugking50 said:
Monty THe Moron had a reporter from the Portland Trib on who knew the author of that piece. He said that the author really wants RA back in Portland but appearently the Portland GM Nash doesn't. He wants a new guy that I cant remembr offhand. Think it starts with a Q. Hes an assistant coach with Portland.
I beleive they were talking about Mark Iavaroni.
 
#83
slugking50 said:
Monty THe Moron had a reporter from the Portland Trib on who knew the author of that piece. He said that the author really wants RA back in Portland but appearently the Portland GM Nash doesn't. He wants a new guy that I cant remembr offhand. Think it starts with a Q. Hes an assistant coach with Portland.
If true, doesn't that sort blow a hole in the whole story. Does a writer with his own agenda call the shots for the GM? Its beginning to look like a mountain made from a anthill.
 

Warhawk

Give blood and save a life!
Staff member
#84
whozit said:
If true, doesn't that sort blow a hole in the whole story. Does a writer with his own agenda call the shots for the GM? Its beginning to look like a mountain made from a anthill.
Almost all of these stories are....ignore them until you hear it out of GP or RA themselves.
 
A

Archibald

Guest
#85
How long can the Kings afford to keep the same coach, year after year after year, with no championship ring to show for it? Obviously, forever, if you're the Kings franchise. Minnesota kept Saunders for quite a while with no ring also. Props to Adleman - he has beaten the odds. Meanwhile, the Kings won't win next year either. How long can Petrie keep thinking "Just one more year....?"
 

hrdboild

Moloch in whom I dream Angels!
Staff member
#86
LA King Fan II said:
Then again rosters helps the head guys look brilliant, so maybe a creative roster like this would make Adelman coach of the year

Bibby
Hughes
Camby
Miller
Peja

Darius (sign)
Brian Grant (MLE after released?)
Bobby Jacks
Garcia
You call it a creative roster, I would call it a freakin' miracle if that was our starting lineup next year. If Petrie was able to pull that off somehow, they'd give him the GM of the Year award before the Kings even played a game. But other than that, I agree with what you have to say. A lot of those Kings players you mentioned credited Adelman for creating such a great offensive system and teaching them how to play it. Is he ready to start over again with a new squad?
 

Warhawk

Give blood and save a life!
Staff member
#87
Archibald said:
How long can the Kings afford to keep the same coach, year after year after year, with no championship ring to show for it? Obviously, forever, if you're the Kings franchise. Minnesota kept Saunders for quite a while with no ring also. Props to Adleman - he has beaten the odds. Meanwhile, the Kings won't win next year either. How long can Petrie keep thinking "Just one more year....?"
Considering only 3 coaches actively in the NBA have won championships (Jackson, Brown, and Pop), which coach do you want to replace RA with? None of those are coming to town, and none of the rest are any better than RA. So every other team is also using a coach "year after year after year, with no championship ring to show for it".
 
T

thesanityannex

Guest
#88
yeah, only one guy gets the win each year, so plenty dont win a lick. ra is the right fit for this team.
 

Warhawk

Give blood and save a life!
Staff member
#89
/sarcasm on

Well, for a team really interested in RA, Portland sure switched gears quick to hire Nate.....

/sarcasm off