A Decision Has To Be Made

baller20

Prospect
First off, I will flat out admit that Jimmer has brought me to your board. If my“BYU-blue-jimmer-stained-glasses” seem to be why I have my perspective on your team than go ahead and discredit me. I don’t pretend to be an avid Kings fanbut I like following Jimmer after his storied career at BYU.

I don’t knowif anyone else thinks this or if this is just my “biased” perspective, but Ithink the Kings have built one of the weirdest teams I have ever seen. It’s notthat they don’t have good players, but it seems that so many of these playerscould be better on different teams. Youhave Thornton, Tyreke, Jimmer and IT all running around out there trying tofigure out who should take the ball up the court, who should facilitate the offense,and who should be “ the guy.” Well, I’ll tell you what, each one of theseplayers could be “the guy.” SometimesSmart will put Thornton, Jimmer, and IT out there at the same time. There isjust no way you can get any kind of lasting chemistry out of that. If you lookat the best teams in the NBA, their players have defined roles; LA, Boston, SA,OKC, Chicago. In fact, Lebron to a lesser degree (because he is Lebron) isstruggling in the same kind of messed up team. You can’t win games when youhave players who don’t feel comfortable in their roles or who don’t know them.The Kings need to decide if they want Tyreke to be their guy, IT to be theirGuy, Jimmer to be their guy, or Thornton to be their guy. I will admit that youcan keep 2 or even three of these players and still be OK, but they CAN’T be onthe floor together. What is funny about this whole situation is the Kings couldbe a VERY good team, or at least a playoff caliber team without shopping forbig time players. The Kings already have the hardest pieces to find. Greatgaurds, and awesome post. Think about how many teams in the league would killfor a post as good as cousins and a point as good as Tyreke. They just need to make a decision on which guardsthey want and bring in some role players to work around their ball dominate guards.

I will evensay this, maybe IT is a better player than Jimmer. Maybe that’s true. But theKings need to quit wasting Jimmer’s time by making him an undersized shootingguard. I am honestly somewhat surprised at how well he has adjusted to being ashooting guard. Jimmer shoots his best off the dribble, running the pick androll ect…I am actually surprised the 6-foot ball dominate guard has adjusted tospoting up and relying on the ball to get to him quick enough to get the shotoff instead of creating the space himself.

I understandthat the Kings are not going to make IT or Jimmer their guy right away. But whyare they trying to prepare two POINT GUARDS for their future? Something needsto happen this offseason. The kings have to make a decision on who runs theteam. Maybe that will never happen until the Kings get a coach who believes inhaving defined roles in the 1,2,3,4,5 system. Not the 1,1,1,4,5 system.
 
Not sure that I agree with much of that, but welcome.

I'll second this. Welcome to the board!

As for Jimmer, I think he will get more minutes as the season goes on. As for playing him only as a PG, I think he's shown that he needs to tighten his handle for that to happen. He's too loose with the ball and sometimes soft/indecisive when put under pressure. I like Jimmer, and he certainly has some of the attributes to be a PG, but he does need to improve his ballhandling. Playing him with Tyreke is probably the best player to have beside him for now, as they can interchange depending on matchups.
 
Jimmer has a little further to go in the PG floor manager department than IT does right now. And PG in the NBA is a several year learning process. A lot will depend on a person's perspective of each player's ceiling. IT may reach his faster, but it could lower than Jimmer's long term.
 
A Decision Has To Be Made

No is does not. Jimmer is under contract and a Rookie. There is so much time for the Kings to decide what to do with Jimmer.

KB
 
not sure whats going on with jimmer but he doesn't seem to have that confidence he had at byu. wish he would shoot the ball more tho. he ends up passing it up to salmons, jj and other players who can't make the shot.
 
Sorry OP, but nobody has really actually responded to your post yet. They either have no reading comprehension, no decent response, or they just jumped to conclusions based off of your intro and decided to make a response that ended up not being related at all to what you posted.

Good luck getting meaningful responses here. Seriously.
 
Welcome to the board. If this post is about Jimmer, then all he has to do is play well to get on the floor. He was given the benefit of the doubt when the season began, and his minutes diminished because he production wasn't there. Jimmer was brought in to play pg, but it hasn't worked out that way up until this point. We even traded away a pg in the off season to make room for the pg that we drafted. So I don't know that the Kings are wasting his time. He's getting paid and being given opportunities to produce and it hasn't happened yet. This whole situation has stunted the Kings growth in my opinion. So if you look at it that way, it could be said that Jimmer is wasting the Kings time. I don't believe that. Just making a point.

That being said, I hope he does start to get more comfortable and at the very least start hitting his open shots. If he does that, his minutes will increase. But he is going to have to learn to play pg in the NBA. Just because he had the ball in his hands most of the time at BYU, doesn't make him a pg. Tyreke has brings the ball up the court most of the time, but it doesn't mean he's truly a pg.

If the team seems constructed funny right now, it's because our plan was to draft a PG and let him come in and play, but the person we drafted hasn't been able to get on the court yet. And "the guy" on this team is Cousins. Tyreke comes next. There is no doubt about that.
 
First welcome second Jimmer was never drafted to be "the guy" neither was IT there role players. Jimmer was brought here to sell tickets and merch before we trade him to Utah. (watch it happen) We all know the backcourt is not working and changes have to be made.
 
Sorry OP, but nobody has really actually responded to your post yet. They either have no reading comprehension, no decent response, or they just jumped to conclusions based off of your intro and decided to make a response that ended up not being related at all to what you posted.

Good luck getting meaningful responses here. Seriously.

It would seem that, in Italics' lexicon, "meaningless responses" = not agreeing with the OP.
 
Seriously. Read the post. It really has nothing to do with Jimmer. Having said that, I definately agree with you op. This team is NOT balanced at all. Players don't know their roles. Too many ball dominant players. Talent, but not a team. Tyrekes not a point. I think we would see much more fluid play with it at the point and Greene at SF. Thornton and Evans just don't mesh well. And this is ALL on but the office. Howv it ever occurred to them that this roster could win is beyond me.
 
Seriously. Read the post. It really has nothing to do with Jimmer. Having said that, I definately agree with you op. This team is NOT balanced at all. Players don't know their roles. Too many ball dominant players. Talent, but not a team. Tyrekes not a point. I think we would see much more fluid play with it at the point and Greene at SF. Thornton and Evans just don't mesh well. And this is ALL on but the office. Howv it ever occurred to them that this roster could win is beyond me.

Nothing to do with Jimmer? Maybe you need to read the post. Better yet, just read the first sentence.
 
Sorry OP, but nobody has really actually responded to your post yet. They either have no reading comprehension, no decent response, or they just jumped to conclusions based off of your intro and decided to make a response that ended up not being related at all to what you posted.

Good luck getting meaningful responses here. Seriously.

Yeah, sorry, I never lerned how to read. I just happen to accidentally type in the correct responses to posts by sheer luck.
 
We already know our roster is a mismatched mess with too many guards and too many scorers and not enough role players and a big hole at the SF spot. Our GM is an idiot and we have no real head coach. Welcome to the site though.
 
Agree with pretty much everything you said. A nice collection of talent, too bad it doesn't really fit.
In addition to the guards, between Salmons/Outlaw/Garcia/Greene/Hickson you have some NBA back end rotation talent, but a bunch of mediocre doesn't add up to one good player.
 
Sorry OP, but nobody has really actually responded to your post yet. They either have no reading comprehension, no decent response, or they just jumped to conclusions based off of your intro and decided to make a response that ended up not being related at all to what you posted.

Good luck getting meaningful responses here. Seriously.

Or maybe they should use the default font and size and spaces between words.
 
It would seem that, in Italics' lexicon, "meaningless responses" = not agreeing with the OP.

Wrong. "meaningless responses" = anything that suggests the only reason why Jimmer isn't in the race for MVP is because we keep insisting on playing Tyreke at PG. And cos his team mates are all black.
 
Wrong. "meaningless responses" = anything that suggests the only reason why Jimmer isn't in the race for MVP is because we keep insisting on playing Tyreke at PG. And cos his team mates are all black.

Wait what? So you are saying the poster is complaining about racism and that Jimmer would be an MVP? That's not what I got from his post at all. I got that this roster is mismatched and the players skillsets don't compliment eachother.
 
Sorry OP, but nobody has really actually responded to your post yet. They either have no reading comprehension, no decent response, or they just jumped to conclusions based off of your intro and decided to make a response that ended up not being related at all to what you posted.

Good luck getting meaningful responses here. Seriously.

I read just fine thank you. And my reply to a direct question the OP had about why there were two PGs being looked at. Maybe you just rolled in with an attitude and skimmed the post yourself?
 
Lack depth in the front, and that includes the SF position.

That said, we have potential to be better than what were seeing.

A lineup of Thornton/Reke/Salmons is indeed unbalanced. Simply too much shots and not enough role playing. Even in our oddly stacked roster, we can make some changes to make it a better fit. Jimmer/Reke/Greene-Garcia/JT/Cousins would be good. Thomas, Thornton, Salmons et al would be nice coming off the bench.

I know a lot of fans on here like Thomas playing. I do too, but i dont see him being a regular starter because of his size. I predict if he gets regular starter minutes, teams are going to gameplan for him and simply take the size mismatch by default. So there's really no need to go down that path. Besides, he's too ball dominant for my liking to see him play as our starting PG. He's a nice player but i dont want to see him taking shots away from Cousins and Reke. With Jimmer i doubt we'd see that given his conservative style. Another reason why i think Jimmer would better fit as a starter with Reke and Cuz.

If we have Thornton and Salmons coming off the bench, they'll get their shots. We might even be able to get away with them as the backcourt of our second unit, which would place Salmons at his natural position and stop putting him at the mercy of larger SFs.
 
Yeah, sorry, I never lerned how to read. I just happen to accidentally type in the correct responses to posts by sheer luck.

Miraculous story, but believable. You should contact 20/20 with that one.

Not even sure if that show is still on. But it still stands.
 
Nothing to do with Jimmer? Maybe you need to read the post. Better yet, just read the first sentence.

No he's right. The post is mostly about the team's imbalanced roster and how the guards are not complimentary. When you have multiples of them on the court, roles get lost. Jimmer has looked unsure of his role through most of the season. Thomas knows his role the best, but how does his role work with Tyreke and Jimmer on the court?
 
The decision has nothing to do with Jimmer and Thornton. It's Tyreke vs. IT. Who is the best point guard? Hands down, no question, it's IT. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Smart figured it out - for one quarter. But then after he figured it out he decided he didn't want his best pg on the floor in the fourth quarter to win the game. If it would have been another time, you'd say, "The fix is in." But this isn't that time, this is the "political" era where you have to smooze and keep everybody happy, even though you might end up losing because of it. I suppose it takes some guts to give the reins to Isaiah Thomas. TOUGH. If you're the coach you better play your best players. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how much you smooze. You lose, you're out. Wake up Smart. Play IT at the point. Play him at the beginning, the middle, AND at the end.
 
No he's right. The post is mostly about the team's imbalanced roster and how the guards are not complimentary. When you have multiples of them on the court, roles get lost. Jimmer has looked unsure of his role through most of the season. Thomas knows his role the best, but how does his role work with Tyreke and Jimmer on the court?

I took a look at the post again, and you're right. I've been one in the past to say one of the teams problem is that they don't know their role. However, I believe that Smart is slowly correcting that and feeling players out. My disagreement with the post is that I don't see it as an issue about 4 guards not being complimentary. First it's a problem of having 4 guards and only one of hem is starter quality. Then it's a problem of our guards not doing what they're supposed to be good at. We have a bunch of high offensive scoring guards who are not hitting OPEN shots. IT is the one player consistently playing his game.

As far as how the roster is built, it's classic Petrie. He likes Big men who play like guards, point guards that play like shooting guards and so on. Versatile and interchangeable pieces.
 
Back
Top