A comical look at Rubio/Tyekes Stats

[slugking50]

A look at Rubio/Tyekes Stats

Ricky Rubio
2009-2010 STATS
G: 20
MPG: 20:33
PPG: 6.5
RPG: 2.8
APG: 4
SPG: 1.4
2%: 36.2 17/47
3% 34% 16/47
FT%: 88.9%

Tyreke Evans
2009-2010 Stats
G: 66
MPG: 37.4
PPG: 20.2
RPG: 5.2
APG: 5.8
SPG: 1.5
S%: 45.9%
3%: 29%
FT%: 78%

One does not look like the other.

A "Rubio Rider" called Napear yesterday and insisted Rubio was awesome in Europe this year. Said he had seem him play and it was proof that the Kings should have picked Rubio. Somebody went and found Rubio's stats.Grant then went on a funny tirade.

Rubio Stats taken from:
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=BAR&pcode=LFW&seasoncode=e2009

Evans taken from Kings.com

 

[Hansel]

Rubio now is the best point guard in Europe by far. Doesn't matter the stats.
Josh Childress, who is amazing this season and in my opinion the best player in Europe, averages just 15 point and 5 rebounds.

Rubio plays in another basketball system than Evans and he plays almost half of his minutes.

In the NBA, playing 37 minutes per game, Rubio will be at least a 12+5+10 player in his rookie season. Probably he would be the best passer in the league since now.

I'm happy with Tyreke, but Rubio is great too.

Here's some Rubio highlights:
against Montepaschi Siena http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh6jgHlsumU
against Real Madrid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwjwqqRo7DE

 

[Tetsujin]

Rubio now is the best point guard in Europe by far. Doesn't matter the stats.
Josh Childress, who is amazing this season and in my opinion the best player in Europe, averages just 15 point and 5 rebounds.

Rubio plays in another basketball system than Evans and he plays almost half of his minutes.

In the NBA, playing 37 minutes per game, Rubio will be at least a 12+5+10 player in his rookie season. Probably he would be the best passer in the league since now.

I'm happy with Tyreke, but Rubio is great too.

Here's some Rubio highlights:
against Montepaschi Siena http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh6jgHlsumU
against Real Madrid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwjwqqRo7DE

Unless Rubio is some genetically engineered Nash/Stockton/Pistol Pete/Jesus hybrid, there is no way he's going to have as much of an impact on a team as Tyreke has

 

[Andre87]

Ricky Rubio
2009-2010 STATS
G: 20
MPG: 20:33
PPG: 6.5
RPG: 2.8
APG: 4
SPG: 1.4
2%: 36.2 17/47
3% 34% 16/47
FT%: 88.9%

I don't get these stats - he took only 32 shots in 20 games?! that's like less than 2 shots per game and less than 3 free-throws lol yet the 2pt percentage is pathetic

 

[Bricklayer]

Rubio now is the best point guard in Europe by far. Doesn't matter the stats.

Hmm...somebody should perhaps tell his coach, as entirely putting aside the rest of the anemic numbers you would think that if a coach had by far the best PG in Europe he would play him more than 20min/gm.

Regardless, I am not at all sure what benefit can ensue from bringing up this old divisive debate again. Fools on talk radio aside (adn fools wiht local newspaper columns of course), its really dead and buried, or should be. Rubio isn't here, as our rook chases history quite obviously we made the right call, and Reke has turned out to be so good there really isn't even much point in hoping that Rubio will fail to justify picking Reke instead.

 

[Hansel]

You can't evaluate why Rubio is special through stats.

 

[Hansel]

Hmm...somebody should perhaps tell his coach, as entirely putting aside the rest of the anemic numbers you would think that if a coach had by far the best PG in Europe he would play him more than 20min/gm.

FIBA is different from NBA.
Great teams here have 10 great basketball players, without franchise players or hierarchies.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=BAR&seasoncode=e2009

Look at last schedule.

Rubio plays 20 minutes, Navarro 24, Mickael 26, Lorbek 24, Basile 18, Vazquez 17, Ndong 16, Lakovic 14.


For example, his back-up is Lakovic, who plays just 14 minutes per game.
Lakovic is the starting point-guard in Slovenian national team.


Another example. Look at the minutes player by player in Panathinaikos this season, last year Euroleague Champions!
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=pan

Nicholas 27, Diamantidis 27, Spanoulis 25, Batiste 23, Fotsis 23, Pekovic 21, Perperoglou 20, Haislip 17, Tepic 16, Jasikevicius 15.


However... I'm sick of this comparison. I think we selected the right guy, but doesn't mean Rubio isn't great. He's amazing too.

 

[mac]

FIBA is different from NBA.
Great teams here have 10 great basketball players, without franchise players or hierarchies.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=BAR&seasoncode=e2009

Look at last schedule.

Rubio plays 20 minutes, Navarro 24, Mickael 26, Lorbek 24, Basile 18, Vazquez 17, Ndong 16, Lakovic 14.


For example, his back-up is Lakovic, who plays just 14 minutes per game.
Lakovic is the starting point-guard in Slovenian national team.


Another example. Look at the minutes player by player in Panathinaikos this season, last year Euroleague Champions!
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=pan

Nicholas 27, Diamantidis 27, Spanoulis 25, Batiste 23, Fotsis 23, Pekovic 21, Perperoglou 20, Haislip 17, Tepic 16, Jasikevicius 15.


However... I'm sick of this comparison. I think we selected the right guy, but doesn't mean Rubio isn't great. He's amazing too

Right on.

 

[BosnianBaller_]

can't compare the two until we see rubio play in the nba

 

[pdxKingsFan]

FIBA is different from NBA.
Great teams here have 10 great basketball players, without franchise players or hierarchies.

I'm not here to bash Euro basketball but give me a break. There are not 10 great players of equal greatness on any team. There is always a talent differential and one or two guys are always going to be better than the others on any team. Even the Dream Team. If a guy is capable of coming into the NBA and outplaying the rookie of the year favorite then he is capable of dominating the Euro leagues and playing the majority of the minutes. If the PG getting the other half of the minutes is that good he'd surely be in the NBA too.

 

[roasthawg]

I wanted Reke before the draft last year and was both thrilled and amazed when we took him... that said Euro-league stats don't tell the story. Jennings stats were bad last year too.

 

[kingzallday]

Rubio now is the best point guard in Europe by far. Doesn't matter the stats.
Josh Childress, who is amazing this season and in my opinion the best player in Europe, averages just 15 point and 5 rebounds.

Lol just watched a vid of Childress on youtube and Europe makes him look like MJ out there. When Childress was in the NBA he was an average player at best. He's just alot more athletic than everyone else.

 

[steelevt]

its funny how you leave out a very important stat. wins/losses. if rubio is so terrible, why did fc barcelona go 10-0 there regular season and only lose 1 game in their top 16, and make it to the final four playoffs? OP seems to be biased toward tyreke and needs to point out rubios fault to make themselves feel better. i dont understand why people need to bash rubio to prove their point that evans was the right pick (or bash evans believing rubio was a better choice), we all can see evans was a great choice, but will NEVER know for sure if rubio would have been another great or horrible choice. stats mean nothing when your team is doing horrible, the only bright side i see is if evans keeps this up, and we add more pieces, in the near future it will equal more wins/playoffs also

 

[Tetsujin]

Lol just watched a vid of Childress on youtube and Europe makes him look like MJ out there. When Childress was in the NBA he was an average player at best. He's just alot more athletic than everyone else.

Yeah, the fact that Josh Childress is the best player over there isn't exactly a boost of confidence in Rubio's favor.

 

[Tetsujin]

its funny how you leave out a very important stat. wins/losses. if rubio is so terrible, why did fc barcelona go 10-0 there regular season and only lose 1 game in their top 16, and make it to the final four playoffs? OP seems to be biased toward tyreke and needs to point out rubios fault to make themselves feel better. i dont understand why people need to bash rubio to prove their point that evans was the right pick (or bash evans believing rubio was a better choice), we all can see evans was a great choice, but will NEVER know for sure if rubio would have been another great or horrible choice. stats mean nothing when your team is doing horrible, the only bright side i see is if evans keeps this up, and we add more pieces, in the near future it will equal more wins/playoffs also

But if Euro basketball is all about team, wouldn't those W/L stats be more of the team's fault than Rubio's?

 

[bajaden]

can't compare the two until we see rubio play in the nba

Now there you go! Until then, its apples and oranges. They play by different rules and different systems. Their league isn't star driven and ours is. So until Mr. Rubio laces them up for an NBA team, I could care less about this discussion.

 

[Kingsguy881]

I wanted Reke before the draft last year and was both thrilled and amazed when we took him... that said Euro-league stats don't tell the story. Jennings stats were bad last year too.

They are not so great this year either...at least, the percentages aren't. Getting more court time and more on the ball time is making his other stats go up, but the fg%? Horrible.

 

[kidult]

Tyreke is like 20 times tougher than Rubio. I'm glad that we didn't pick him up, we don't need anymore marshmallows.

 

[Andre87]

Lol just watched a vid of Childress on youtube and Europe makes him look like MJ out there. When Childress was in the NBA he was an average player at best. He's just alot more athletic than everyone else.

Childress was not "an average at best". He was already one of the nba's best 6th men the moment he left the league. He would have been an excellent 3rd or 4th option on any team right now imo. Much like Ariza, only better.

 

[Section 101]

want a stat? how about 49-3 record as the starting pg running his team. and i dont get where people think he isnt tough. hes one of the better defenders and won def player of the year last year.

 

[Chupacabra]

This whole "stats are meaningless" arguement is VERY far fetched on both sides of this debate. To say that Evans stats are meaningless based on anything is pure ignorance. The same goes for Rubios stats.

 

[JJ22L]

Uh, why exactly was this brought up again? We have one of the only four rookies in NBA history to average 20-5-5. Rubio is good. We get it. Tyreke is good, we get it. Let sleeping dogs lie.

I'm a huge tyreke fan and I'm a huge rubio fan. I hope they both succeed and anyone that makes a case against one or the other doesn't understand how lucky we were just to have the position where we could choose between two great players.

Otherwise, this entire thread is asinine. Basing a decision on whether or not a player was the right choice on statistics from two entirely different groups of basketball players is ridiculous.

Good thing I'm not a moderator or I would have locked this thread the moment it started.

 

[fnordius]

Dumbest thread ever.

 

[est.1999]

He who shall remain gameless?

 

[FaStRmAn]

You can't evaluate why Rubio is special through stats.

That is most likely due to the fact that he AINT SO SPECIAL! I really wish this argument would die. The Kid had a good Youtube Mix Tape and when the NBA teams actually got a look at him they all took a pass. He will most likely never play in the NBA like Dijon Bodaroga. Bodaroga was a superstar in Europe, but never came to the states to compete with the big dogs. He enjoyed being a big fish in a small pond. I think Rubio is a lot like Bodaroga.

Let it GO already. Until he comes to the states to play on an NBA team, he is nothing more than a HYPE MIX TAPE! WOW, some people just wont let it go!

 

[steelevt]

Let it GO already. Until he comes to the states to play on an NBA team, he is nothing more than a HYPE MIX TAPE! WOW, some people just wont let it go!

i think you are directing this to the wrong person. the person you quoted didnt start this. the thread starter was hyping evans and down playing rubio with those stats. you can just do that and expect someone with a different point of view to just read it and not voice their opinion. same thing would happen if someone said rubio is better than tyreke because of some random fact or stat. i guess im partly at fault by adding to the "dumbest thread ever" as fnordius put it and keeping the thread alive

 

[est.1999]

Ricky Whobio?

 

[John Galt]

Regardless, I am not at all sure what benefit can ensue from bringing up this old divisive debate again. Fools on talk radio aside (adn fools wiht local newspaper columns of course), its really dead and buried, or should be. Rubio isn't here, as our rook chases history quite obviously we made the right call, and Reke has turned out to be so good there really isn't even much point in hoping that Rubio will fail to justify picking Reke instead.

Wish this had been the last word on the topic...

There really isn't any need for further "I told you so's" or Rubio jocking - either way - it is a dead issue, or should be.

Surely nobody has lingering regrets about our draft outcome do they?

 

[uolj]

Uhh... has anybody pointed out that Evans' stats are not all that much better than Rubio's?

Ricky Rubio
P/36m: 11.4
R/36m: 4.9
A/36m: 7
S/36m: 2.5

Tyreke Evans
P/36m: 19.4
R/36m: 5.0
A/36m: 5.6
S/36m: 1.4

I don't think it actually means anything, but I don't know if you can point at those stats and laugh at someone based on that.

 

[est.1999]

People need to really stop with this PER nonsense. It's getting ridiculous.