[Game] 62/82: Kings vs. Spurs, 07 MAR 2025, 7p PT/10p ET

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Seriously where are you getting your information? You may want to fact check yourself. AI is a good starting point. I can show you resources but you’re making stuff up again.
Unless you're referring to Allen Iverson, you're wrong about that, too. Bottom line is Mike Brown is not a Top 5 most fired head coach. Which was, in fact, the premise.

And no where did I say mid season firing is my qualifier for firing.

Had a feeling you would qualify it. But let’s spread the disinformation. Great look for a moderator. Not being renewed after the end of a season vs being fired in November and December sounds very different, but maybe that’s just me.
Distinction without a difference.
 
Being fired mid-season might be noteworthy, Brown is hardly the only coach to have it happen twice. Off the top of my head I know Nate McMillan was fired by the Blazers and Hawks mid-season. He was also fired just weeks after the Pacers gave him a contract extension and they flamed out in the playoffs. Scott Skiles has been let go twice mid-season. PJ Carlesimo. George Karl at least twice.

There's a couple of guys I would have thought have been fired multiple times mid-season but they weren't like Lawrence Frank and Jason Kidd.

I'd also rather have Mike Brown than most of those guys.
 
What did I miss in regards to Fox’s wife and Monk? I didn’t see or hear anything?
They had an emotional post game conversation that appeared to be confrontational with a lot of fingers being pointed.

https://community.kingsfans.com/thr...2025-7p-pt-10p-et.100763/page-16#post-1870200

There's 2-3 alternate angle recordings that appear to show Recee's entourage trying to pull her away on twitter that have some foul language from the crowd so you'll have to chase those down.
 
It was put out there for clicks and by the looks of it…it worked like a charm. I’ve seen no less than 3 other articles referencing the same “report” from Amick as other smallish news outlets/reporters try to garner clicks themselves. As I’ve seen others mention before, it’s called an exit interview. I mean, why wouldn’t the highest paid player and face of the franchise want to know the organizations intentions and plans moving forward? Honestly, sports journalists these days have turned more into gossip columnists than actual reporters. It’s no wonder that most struggle to make it and resort to farming views with clickbait. Or maybe I’m just getting old and jaded :p
Whew, that news was really unsettling.
 
They had an emotional post game conversation that appeared to be confrontational with a lot of fingers being pointed.

https://community.kingsfans.com/thr...2025-7p-pt-10p-et.100763/page-16#post-1870200

There's 2-3 alternate angle recordings that appear to show Recee's entourage trying to pull her away on twitter that have some foul language from the crowd so you'll have to chase those down.

interesting. Could be anything from friendly banter (and given Monks sarcastic sense of humor that’s very possible) to and offer to “catch her outside” for a good old fashioned throwing of hands.
 
I’ve said this many, many times. Even when Fox was still here, I felt that Monk is the heart of this team. He’s the guy that makes this team beat and gives them that swag.
Mhmm how many double overtime games has Monk been a huge positive catalyst in? He’s not perfect, but he has been way better than i ever could have hoped for.
 
I don't see why San Antonio would max him. At best he should be given the deal Domas got where the first year is a "max" but it's a base year deal with the standard raises and not 30% of the cap. That way in 2-3 years the next time the cap jumps they aren't stuck. I still think Paul engineered this whole thing to get a crack at pulling in Wemby before he signs his rookie extension which is almost a guarantee to be the designated rookie deal. And a selling point when he makes his pitch will be getting De'Aaron to take a team friendly deal so they can continue building Wemby's team.

We'll wait and see. I don't think Fox is consistent enough to be a max player and the only reason the Kings offered it is because they were terrified of losing him.

Also maybe folks can forgive Monte for trading OMax and Richaun so he could lock in Domas a year early now?

Honestly, I’m not sure which outcome would be more satisfying.

The Spurs maxing out Fox only to come to the same conclusion that Kings fans have, that Fox is not a “franchise” player that will bring you to the promise land. At best, he would be the 3rd or 4th option on a championship level team. Not a player worth 30% of your cap.

OR, Fox and his agent major screwing up by passing on the Kings max contract offer only to force their way to SA only to get low balled by the Spurs. A move that would cost them millions and a huge payday. Fox obviously sees himself as a max player. He wouldn’t be so smug if that happened.
 
We didn’t even have sustained success with Brown. We had two winning seasons. With the best roster this franchise has had since the Webber era.

This team started slow every single season of Brown tenure. And their defense never reached a level expected of a supposed “defensive guru”.

This fanbase was so starved for a winning season and a postseason appearance they’ve mistaken a saltine cracker for a New York strip steak.

The way Brown was running this team, I don’t see any chance they make this turnaround had he not been fired.

It doesn't surprise me that fans want to declare victory on the Fox trade after 14 games. Most of you have already pre-decided what you want to believe to the point of ignoring all evidence to the contrary. Case in point, 14 games into this season under Mike Brown this team was 8-6 including 2 OT losses and a 2pt loss to Minnesota (the game when Anthony Edwards got a shooting foul and hit the game-winning FTs with 2 seconds on the clock). I guess that constitutes a slow start in your mind? At that point we had Sabonis, DeRozan, and Monk all out injured and Fox had just dropped 109 points in back to back games.

I'm trying hard not to post the same thing over and over here because it's exhausting to write it and I'm sure it's twice as exhausting to read it. I've already explained in detail why I think firing Brown was the wrong decision and why I think trading for LaVine is going to torpedo our future. All of those posts are still there if you want to find them and read them. I've also been around here long enough to have been called both an apologist and a hater multiple times, sometimes even by the same posters, so it's no sweat off my back what people think of me. I don't form my opinions based on twitter conspiracies nor do I look around and assess the majority opinion before forming mine.

Somehow the opponent 3pt shooting is still what everyone wants to talk about with Mike Brown and yet that stretch between the trade deadline 2024 and when Mike Brown was fired on Dec. 27th is the best sustained stretch of defense any Kings team has played in the last 20 years. It's the only time since Rick Adelman that we have had a top 10 defensive team. And that stretch didn't include the high quantity of absolute cupcake pushovers that we're seeing the Kings play in the past month (New Orleans, Charlotte, Utah, Dallas and San Antonio missing their best players).

I'm not just looking at what happened yesterday and a week ago, I'm looking at the entire season so far and player's career averages and their last 3 seasons. That's what I'm extrapolating my predictions from. Obviously I'm not always going to be right but I was the first dead canary on a lot of Kings blunders in the past including the Jimmer Fredette, Nik Stauskas, Willie Cauley-Stein, and Marvin Bagley draft picks (hated them all on day one) and the George Karl and Luke Walton hires (hated them both on day one). I told ya'll that JaVale McGee was a clown show, that the Kessler Edwards hype train was going nowhere. I was the first one calling for Vlade to be fired way back in 2016 when his predilection for wasting all of his cap space on replacement level roster-filler had become apparent.

But getting back to Mike Brown, it's baffling to me given the sad history of this franchise that any Kings fan could honestly think the coach had little or nothing to do with the team winning 48 games. But it also doesn't matter what people think about it. To keep the same canary analogy, the CO is going to kill us all in the end whether we believe in it or not. If you don't see me posting much here in the future you can assume it's because I've run out of air.
 
NBA is a league of results. You either have results or you don’t. If the organization has set certain expectations and you come way under those expectations, it’s very reasonable and maybe even likely that a coach can see the writing on the wall and that he ultimately gets canned. That’s the nature of the beast. It’s no different than any other job if you’re a manager, director, chief, etc., you have some leeway, but to get progressively worse and expect to keep your job? Seems very unlikely and I don’t recommend trying this approach at work unless you also want to be fired.

Whether or not Fox was against letting Brown go doesn’t really matter. Fox was underperforming in his own right (maybe intentionally so for his own personal gain) and Brown had lost the team for several reasons (stupid defensive schemes, struggling offense, questionable rotations). Neither guy was working and now neither of them are here. And we have been better for it. I think there might be a decent chance the Spurs don’t offer Fox a max contract as Castle may legitimately be a very good prospect worth investing in. I hope Fox gets whatever it is that he’s attempting to find, but I’m glad he’s not on this team. Decent guy, but clearly invested in himself and his career far more than in his team and its success.
 
Just got caught up on this game thread since we beat the Spurs on Friday….what a rollercoaster ride! We’ve got conspiracy theories around the Amick article, fact checks on Mike Brown’s status among the top fired coaches in NBA history, Devin Carter’s a bust, and fan fiction dreams of Fox getting burned by not getting a max offer from the spurs. Just another Sunday morning read on KingsFans.com!!!
 
It doesn't surprise me that fans want to declare victory on the Fox trade after 14 games. Most of you have already pre-decided what you want to believe to the point of ignoring all evidence to the contrary. Case in point, 14 games into this season under Mike Brown this team was 8-6 including 2 OT losses and a 2pt loss to Minnesota (the game when Anthony Edwards got a shooting foul and hit the game-winning FTs with 2 seconds on the clock). I guess that constitutes a slow start in your mind? At that point we had Sabonis, DeRozan, and Monk all out injured and Fox had just dropped 109 points in back to back games.

I'm trying hard not to post the same thing over and over here because it's exhausting to write it and I'm sure it's twice as exhausting to read it. I've already explained in detail why I think firing Brown was the wrong decision and why I think trading for LaVine is going to torpedo our future. All of those posts are still there if you want to find them and read them. I've also been around here long enough to have been called both an apologist and a hater multiple times, sometimes even by the same posters, so it's no sweat off my back what people think of me. I don't form my opinions based on twitter conspiracies nor do I look around and assess the majority opinion before forming mine.

Somehow the opponent 3pt shooting is still what everyone wants to talk about with Mike Brown and yet that stretch between the trade deadline 2024 and when Mike Brown was fired on Dec. 27th is the best sustained stretch of defense any Kings team has played in the last 20 years. It's the only time since Rick Adelman that we have had a top 10 defensive team. And that stretch didn't include the high quantity of absolute cupcake pushovers that we're seeing the Kings play in the past month (New Orleans, Charlotte, Utah, Dallas and San Antonio missing their best players).

I'm not just looking at what happened yesterday and a week ago, I'm looking at the entire season so far and player's career averages and their last 3 seasons. That's what I'm extrapolating my predictions from. Obviously I'm not always going to be right but I was the first dead canary on a lot of Kings blunders in the past including the Jimmer Fredette, Nik Stauskas, Willie Cauley-Stein, and Marvin Bagley draft picks (hated them all on day one) and the George Karl and Luke Walton hires (hated them both on day one). I told ya'll that JaVale McGee was a clown show, that the Kessler Edwards hype train was going nowhere. I was the first one calling for Vlade to be fired way back in 2016 when his predilection for wasting all of his cap space on replacement level roster-filler had become apparent.

But getting back to Mike Brown, it's baffling to me given the sad history of this franchise that any Kings fan could honestly think the coach had little or nothing to do with the team winning 48 games. But it also doesn't matter what people think about it. To keep the same canary analogy, the CO is going to kill us all in the end whether we believe in it or not. If you don't see me posting much here in the future you can assume it's because I've run out of air.
Record under brown: 13-18
Record under Christie: 20-100
Yah two lines refute you 10 paragraphs.
 
Record under brown: 13-18
Record under Christie: 20-100
Yah two lines refute you 10 paragraphs.

Mike Brown's record was 107-88 coaching the Kings. I'm sorry that evidently reading is difficult for you but I think you can get AI to help you with that now? It also appears you may be getting your cliff notes from the same source as KingsFanSince85 who tells me that we didn't have sustained success with Mike Brown, we only had two winning seasons. The man was fired after 2 seasons.
 
Just got caught up on this game thread since we beat the Spurs on Friday….what a rollercoaster ride! We’ve got conspiracy theories around the Amick article, fact checks on Mike Brown’s status among the top fired coaches in NBA history, Devin Carter’s a bust, and fan fiction dreams of Fox getting burned by not getting a max offer from the spurs. Just another Sunday morning read on KingsFans.com!!!
Just keeping things spicy!
 
I think some Kings fans love misery and seek it out to feel normal after being conditioned during the lottery years.

The team is coming off a good win playing the right way. There’s joy and the camaraderie among the team is palpable. Isn’t that what sport is about? Yet, instead of celebrating the moment, fans are busy talking about exes who are no longer on the team. We always take for granted who are with us right now. Winning and chemistry is not a given in this league. We live in interesting times. Why do we feel the need to rehash the past and not celebrate the little wins of the present?
 
Mike Brown's record was 107-88 coaching the Kings. I'm sorry that evidently reading is difficult for you but I think you can get AI to help you with that now? It also appears you may be getting your cliff notes from the same source as KingsFanSince85 who tells me that we didn't have sustained success with Mike Brown, we only had two winning seasons. The man was fired after 2 seasons.
He lost the team. There was no coming back. Advanced stats are great and all but throwing this season away, Fox had already quit on the team, he wasn't playing Keon, there was a past history of him not playing guys the team brought in, he refused other players to come, and he just stuck the team up for a raise and extension only to crap the bed.

I get it, we had a great year and one measurably good year. He really seems like a great dude, charming, affable, I like him. He's still the same coach that this happened with elsewhere.

Like you said elsewhere we're all gonna die at some point, I just want to watch fun basketball and hopefully the last Kings game I see is a win. During Mike Brown's last 30 games neither of those things were likely.
 
I think some Kings fans love misery and seek it out to feel normal after being conditioned during the lottery years.

The team is coming off a good win playing the right way. There’s joy and the camaraderie among the team is palpable. Isn’t that what sport is about? Yet, instead of celebrating the moment, fans are busy talking about exes who are no longer on the team. We always take for granted who are with us right now. Winning and chemistry is not a given in this league. We live in interesting times. Why do we feel the need to rehash the past and not celebrate the little wins of the present?
The winning right now doesn’t make the front office incompetence magically disappear. If we want this current feeling to last or progress the FO crap needs to be solved. Monty’s not long here in sac and the FO chaos will determine what kind of GM gets hired next.
I don’t think anyone is addicted to misery. There’s just 2 camps. The fans living in the now and the fans who want to look at the big picture. Unfortunately the big picture doesn’t look very positive right now.
 
The winning right now doesn’t make the front office incompetence magically disappear. If we want this current feeling to last or progress the FO crap needs to be solved. Monty’s not long here in sac and the FO chaos will determine what kind of GM gets hired next.
I don’t think anyone is addicted to misery. There’s just 2 camps. The fans living in the now and the fans who want to look at the big picture. Unfortunately the big picture doesn’t look very positive right now.
I’m not going to get worked up over speculative journalism or imagined scenarios. The FO had a productive trade deadline and the new additions have improved the team. The team is still flawed and needs more time to develop chemistry but they have already shown promise and there’s still room to grow and adapt both organically and inorganically.
 
Mike Brown's record was 107-88 coaching the Kings. I'm sorry that evidently reading is difficult for you but I think you can get AI to help you with that now? It also appears you may be getting your cliff notes from the same source as KingsFanSince85 who tells me that we didn't have sustained success with Mike Brown, we only had two winning seasons. The man was fired after 2 seasons.
Wow a personal attack. You sure are the toughest guy on the internet. Lmfao. The fact is he lost the team and it was evident. Sorry you can’t see what’s in front of you.
 
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