gunks
Hall of Famer
Because that ended so well with Vlade.
Vivek: master of doing the same dumb thing over and over again while getting the same horrible results.
[Game] 26/82: Kings @ Timberwolves 14 DEC 2025, 4pm PT, 7pm ET
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Because that ended so well with Vlade.
Vivek: master of doing the same dumb thing over and over again while getting the same horrible results.
No love for King Louie?
Jdbraver137
Starter
Yah, same thing different day.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Perhaps, and that was always a sign of not really committing to him. If he's out there trying to soak up W's to save his career and doing this while not building anything other than a resume of what the F was that guy doing then he's lost already.
ShastaKingsFan
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Keeping in mind that Ranadive had been wanting Christie as head coach for years. He had to be talked out of hiring him, before they brought in Mike Brown....and then mandated that he be an assistant when Brown had no connection to him
This is why I can't take the "Christie is a goner" narrative seriously. All evidence suggests he's Vivek's golden boy, and he's being a good soldier while the roster is in a mess. Why would Vivek get rid of him?
ShastaKingsFan
Hall of Famer
I wouldn't bet on him being fired. The front office indicated strongly that this was a "gap year"...and as a result, he more than likely has the length of the two year contract to show if he can convince positively
I think eventually DC gets moved to an administrative position. Vivek keeps his guy around while Perry hires who he wants. When this happens? Between now and end of his contract.
ShastaKingsFan
Hall of Famer
So he replaces Alvin Gentry?
I think you would have to be incredibly strong willed, self-assured, and have a near unbendable philosophy to not get walked over by guys like Russ and Deebo. Doug is strong willed. But he doesn’t have an actual coaching philosophy or system other than his ‘make them feel you’ speak that was abandoned before the season started. I’m going to guess that’s why Keon is always overlooked. As an undrafted player who came up through the Kings summer and G League teams, his seat is much lower on the Kings social hierarchy and is easier to bench than former All-Stars and likely Hall of Famers who have all consuming personalities and influential agents. I like Doug but I think his learning curve as a coach is going to be too steep to overcome. A positive is that this roster and Doug should get a high draft pick in a good draft. Negatives are the missed opportunities to evaluate and develop younger players as well as the poor on court product.
So, I hadn't looked at this before, but here are some...interesting...Doug Christie coaching numbers:
12-6 (.667) Before Zach LaVine joined the team
21-38 (.356) Since Zach LaVine joined the team
Jdbraver137
Starter
You mean after Fox left
ShastaKingsFan
Hall of Famer
No. Christie had a 7 game win streak, before Lavine was traded for. Fox was with the team for that, but was injured and not playing. Instead we had Monk and Keon at the 1-2 and they were really clicking. That chemistry that was started went out the window when Lavine was forced into the mix
If you take a guy with 3 years on a bad deal so another team can swing in free agency - it's worth it if you get 2-3 picks. Because we're not going to spend that salary in that time.
How many games did Fox miss or did he play poorly? The huge Boston win he was out entirely. He's been an ill fit for this team, perhaps its not all his fault, but he was the last thing we needed with the roster we had.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
If that's possible, but recently teams have been getting the good picks with cap space used to facilitate other deals. Like how the Kings might have lost a top pick in 2031 at this point for DeRozan, lol. I think teams want the guarantee of getting a player in deals like that rather than just getting cap space and hoping.
I don't think the situations are comparable, or if so we're San Antonio. In this case the team trading for Zach wants him (apparently) and aren't just trading for expiring money. We take on long term money though, plus draft consideration as payment on the long term money.
If Zach is being moved solely as a short contract then we can't expect a return. If that's what it boils down to you let him be tank commander for another season, expire, and if the last game is away you tell him to find his own way home. Then maybe you absorb a bad contract for picks with that empty money if nobody wants to sign the way San Antonio did. Except they actually got a serviceable player and locker room leader
SacTownKid
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I don't think the situations are comparable, or if so we're San Antonio. In this case the team trading for Zach wants him (apparently) and aren't just trading for expiring money. We take on long term money though, plus draft consideration as payment on the long term money.
If Zach is being moved solely as a short contract then we can't expect a return. If that's what it boils down to you let him be tank commander for another season, expire, and if the last game is away you tell him to find his own way home. Then maybe you absorb a bad contract for picks with that empty money if nobody wants to sign the way San Antonio did. Except they actually got a serviceable player and locker room leader
The reality is though unless the Kings are taking an albatross then the longer deal would only be a part of his yearly salary and thus probably not enough of a bad deal for teams to have to attach too many assets to move. Teams know the Kings are at the phase where they just need an escape hatch.
If Zach stays my bet would be him accepting some type of buyout this summer unless it's so bad he's willing to opt out which would be wishful thinking. And then the other factor is how bad did you anger his agent. I will always remember how for years people said the Knicks were sitting on the best asset in the league when justifying the wait out of Amare Stoudemire's contract. They were in the same scenario where the expriring money was more valuable to themselves than other teams in the end so they just ended up buying him out. Huge contracts are just too hard to move when it's a questionable value guy like Zach unless the other team has the same size salary on a shorter deal or they are far worse player and all the factors line right up.
His agent is KLUTCH. We sent Fox to San Antonio for nothing and took this deal which may have been pre-ordained by Rich Paul. Paul will possibly get his hooks in Wemby and two other recent top lotto picks through Fox.
I'd say right about now Rich Paul owes us but best we'll get is one of his secondary clients.