2011 Lotto Watch

[hrdboild]

Irving and Barnes are the only two possible draft prospects that could ever be all-stars, Add in Kanter, and you have the only three possible starters. And Barnes is a real question mark to me still.

Oy.

You might want to delete this comment. I'm not going to be the "I told you so" guy, but it's almost guaranteed one of the other 58 players drafted this year will be an All-Star at least once. I like Irving and Barnes a lot, but I like Sullinger and Williams just as much. Both have been very productive this year. Williams is an explosive athlete besides being a gifted scorer and Sullinger is the best post-scorer in college basketball this year, and he's only a freshman. And then there's a dozen or so other guys I could name who are talented enough to be big-time NBA players if they keep working.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Not much change tonight - Toronto, Cleveland, Minnesota and Phoenix all lost, so there's no real movement but some records to update.

Kings record: 15-49
Kings max wins: 33
Highest possible lottery position: t-11
Minimum lottery combos: 7
Possible draft range: 1-14
Next team to eliminate us: Phoenix Suns (33-31), Houston Rockets (33-34)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (12-53)
Sacramento Kings (15-49)
Washington Wizards (16-48)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-51)
Toronto Raptors (18-48)
New Jersey Nets (21-43)

 

[Boogie-havoc]

I don't know if it's just me, but I just don't get how can people actually say

"Oh i'll take Kanter ahead of X"

I mean no one of us actually seen him even play! not talking about 10 games like you should see to probebly evaluate a player, but a single 40 minutes game!

Now ok, theres scouting reports and all.. but I mean common.. this guy plays against youth players, and didn't play for the entire year.. atleast with the other Euros they play in Euroleague etc against pro basketball players so they have an edge.

This kid has nothing!.. and i'm not saying he sucks and not worth to be picked, but if he does none of us have the slightest idea if it's true or false.

 

[Glenn]

That's why we have Petrie and a coaching staff. This forum is for speculation and fun.

 

[Spike]

Everything here should be taken with a grain of salt. It's like the unnecessary addtion of IMO. All of this is "IMO", none of it fact. Once we accept this reality, we'll all be happier for it.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Nice win tonight, but it keeps us from "moving forward" in the Lotto Watch for the time being. Houston finally eliminated us, and New Jersey got another win to keep pace, but the Wizards lost to pull into a tie for second. Tomorrow won't be very interesting, with Washington the only team of interest with a game.

Kings record: 16-49
Kings max wins: 33
Highest possible lottery position: t-11
Minimum lottery combos: 7
Possible draft range: 1-14
Next team to eliminate us: Phoenix Suns (33-32)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (12-53)
Sacramento Kings (16-49)
Washington Wizards (16-49)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-51)
Toronto Raptors (18-48)
New Jersey Nets (22-43)

 

[Glenn]

Everything here should be taken with a grain of salt. It's like the unnecessary addtion of IMO. All of this is "IMO", none of it fact. Once we accept this reality, we'll all be happier for it.

It's a difficult concept.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

Ofc I get that, but still even if it's a "what if" games there needs to be reasoning behind it.. it's not like i'm dissing whoever thinks that way - not at all, i'm just expressing my opinion on why I think it's wierd to say that... I mean it's still a forum ment to disscuss and debate this issue.

What I mean is, as a big who relies on his brute power under the rim, to have games against undeveloped kids while you're probebly with an NBA body already, is surely something to think about when it comes to Kanter no?

I mean again he might be all that he's projected to be, but thats too huge of a risk to talk about taking him that high in the draft when thats everybodys indication, no?

 

[Megalodon]

It's a difficult concept IMO.

Fixed

 

[Glenn]

Fixed

Oh, please Lord, save me.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

As I alluded to, there wasn't much to see tonight. Washington lost to slide below us into second, nobody else of interest played. Tomorrow has a much fuller schedule with us hosting the Cavaliers in another likely win - it would not be a surprise to find us in 4th by the end of Wednesday.

Kings record: 16-49
Kings max wins: 33
Highest possible lottery position: t-11
Minimum lottery combos: 7
Possible draft range: 1-14
Next team to eliminate us: Phoenix Suns (33-32)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (12-53)
Washington Wizards (16-50)
Sacramento Kings (16-49)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-51)
Toronto Raptors (18-48)
New Jersey Nets (22-43)

 

[kingsboi]

We'll probably rack up a couple more meaningless wins just to mess up our draft chances. It's what the Kings do best but I still think this year they will get a break.

 

[hrdboild]

We'll probably rack up a couple more meaningless wins just to mess up our draft chances. It's what the Kings do best but I still think this year they will get a break.

I would have agreed with you in the past. But if we pick up some wins with Tyreke, Cousins, Dalembert, and Thornton and all of them come back next year than the wins aren't meaningless. It will have some effect on our draft pick, but it's most likely going to be a 2 or 3 spot difference.

 

[Glenn]

I would have agreed with you in the past. But if we pick up some wins with Tyreke, Cousins, Dalembert, and Thornton and all of them come back next year than the wins aren't meaningless. It will have some effect on our draft pick, but it's most likely going to be a 2 or 3 spot difference.

There are two different kinds of "meaningless" in this situation. I'm with you but don't tell anyone.

 

[kingsboi]

I would have agreed with you in the past. But if we pick up some wins with Tyreke, Cousins, Dalembert, and Thornton and all of them come back next year than the wins aren't meaningless. It will have some effect on our draft pick, but it's most likely going to be a 2 or 3 spot difference.

I see what your saying, and I would agree too if they beat some playoff teams with everybody back. But it is definently meaningless if they only beat teams like the Cavaliers, Warriors, Clippers, T-Wolves, Raptors etc etc.

 

[est.1999]

We'll probably rack up a couple more meaningless wins just to mess up our draft chances. It's what the Kings do best but I still think this year they will get a break.

What the kings do best? Maybe what we do best is lose. Ever think of that? 17 wins 2 years ago. Last year we had 13 wins by December and ended up with 25 the whole year. We lost like 12 of the final 13, too. And this year we got off to a terrible start(regardless of the curcumtances).

 

[Glenn]

I see what your saying, and I would agree too if they beat some playoff teams with everybody back. But it is definently meaningless if they only beat teams like the Cavaliers, Warriors, Clippers, T-Wolves, Raptors etc etc.

I don't think you get it, still and apparently the reason is that you don't think this team will improve next year because it loses this year. I disagree. Can't say much more.

The worse we do, the better the chance to get Kyrie Irving. Even being the worst team does not guarantee us Kyrie but it increases the probability to its maximum. We have no chance to have the worst record. Simply beating the awful teams you mention screws that chance. It's all a math game of probability. Unfortunately, probability predicts the chances of something occurring in the future and does not look back at the times we lost out and make up for it.

IMO, the point is that Kyrie stands out and 2-6th or maybe worse place may simply allow us to get the SF or PG of our desire. I am not convinced that having any other pick than #1 will, in the long run, make a lot of difference. We will do just fine.

 

[kingsboi]

What the kings do best? Maybe what we do best is lose. Ever think of that? 17 wins 2 years ago. Last year we had 13 wins by December and ended up with 25 the whole year. We lost like 12 of the final 13, too. And this year we got off to a terrible start(regardless of the curcumtances).

Yeah your right, I messed up on what I was trying to say.

 

[kingsboi]

I don't think you get it, still and apparently the reason is that you don't think this team will improve next year because it loses this year. I disagree. Can't say much more.

The worse we do, the better the chance to get Kyrie Irving. Even being the worst team does not guarantee us Kyrie but it increases the probability to its maximum. We have no chance to have the worst record. Simply beating the awful teams you mention screws that chance. It's all a math game of probability. Unfortunately, probability predicts the chances of something occurring in the future and does not look back at the times we lost out and make up for it.

IMO, the point is that Kyrie stands out and 2-6th or maybe worse place may simply allow us to get the SF or PG of our desire. I am not convinced that having any other pick than #1 will, in the long run, make a lot of difference. We will do just fine.

Now now now, I didn't say losing this year will transfer over to next. I just said beating bad teams is pointless if your not beating any of the good ones. It's not like I expected it to happen anyways so I tried not to set my standards too high.

As for the draft odds and Mr. Irving, I just have a hunch that this is the year where we finally get a top 3 pick. One of Irving, Barnes, Williams or Sullinger will be wearing a purple tie or something purple come draft night . That gives away the whole idea that who ever wears purple on draft night is most likely going to get drafted by us.

 

[hrdboild]

Now now now, I didn't say losing this year will transfer over to next. I just said beating bad teams is pointless if your not beating any of the good ones. It's not like I expected it to happen anyways so I tried not to set my standards too high.

As for the draft odds and Mr. Irving, I just have a hunch that this is the year where we finally get a top 3 pick. One of Irving, Barnes, Williams or Sullinger will be wearing a purple tie or something purple come draft night . That gives away the whole idea that who ever wears purple on draft night is most likely going to get drafted by us.

I hope someone's wearing purple this year and that it means the Kings are still the Kings and are playing in Sacramento where they belong.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

You'd have thought that with a home game against the league-worst Cavaliers minus Baron Davis, Antawn Jamison, and Anderson Varejao that we'd have notched win tonight. But, to misquote Ronald Reagan, "We counted on the Cavs to be passive. We counted wrong." In total, that loss was worth...one lotto combo. Woot. Outside of the Cavs, everybody else on our radar who was playing also lost tonight. Next up looks to be Golden State, who is in the third quarter in a close game against Dallas.

Kings record: 16-50
Kings max wins: 32
Highest possible lottery position: 11
Minimum lottery combos: 8
Possible draft range: 1-14
Next team to eliminate us: Golden State Warriors (30-37)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (13-53)
Washington Wizards (16-50)
Sacramento Kings (16-50)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-52)
Toronto Raptors (18-49)
New Jersey Nets (22-43)

 

[Boogie-havoc]

Being worst is out of reach I guess.. but we gotta finish 2nd worst.. although Wizards ain't making signs of winning anytime soon sadly.

 

[Glenn]

Cleveland may close out the season with a winning streak.




Or maybe not.

 

[fnordius]

Being worst is out of reach I guess.. but we gotta finish 2nd worst.. although Wizards ain't making signs of winning anytime soon sadly.

Even 2nd-3rd may require losing to the T'wolves on the 20th, since their schedule is a lot harder than ours... between now and the 25th, we're playing Philly, @MIN, @CHI, @MIL, @IND, while they're playing @LAL, Sac, @DAL and @OKC, followed by games against Boston, Chicago and Miami. That alone is going to make them very tough competitors over the next four weeks.

I've been predicting a finish in 3rd-5th, which still looks perfectly likely, and is a fine place to be sitting on lottery day. The ping pong balls may or may not help us, but we're practically guaranteed a top 5 pick even if they don't, so relax! The franchise probably won't get Kyrie (just as everyone else probably won't), but if they don't get anyone worthy of a starting position, it'll only be because the FO screwed up.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

Yup, I can't see Minni winning any of thier games other then the one against us.. maybe against PHX at home... them winning us is key.

Our only probable wins though are Minni away, PHX at home, and maybe Utah at home too... we got 10 of our last 16 games away and most are against playoff teams or ones fighting for a spot.

Those who don't we still play away from home.. I like our chances.

CLE and the Wizards are meeting other bottem teams and I can see each of them winning 2-3 games untill the end of the season really.. with us I can see us winning 2 more games tops, same with Minni.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Cleveland lost, New Jersey lost, and that was it in the Lotto Watch today. Plenty of action on Friday...

Kings record: 16-50
Kings max wins: 32
Highest possible lottery position: 11
Minimum lottery combos: 8
Possible draft range: 1-14
Next team to eliminate us: Golden State Warriors (30-37)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (13-54)
Washington Wizards (16-50)
Sacramento Kings (16-50)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-52)
Toronto Raptors (18-49)
New Jersey Nets (22-44)

 

[UK_King]

Watched "Jimmer" last night and he was pretty good; bit of a chucker from beyond the arc but he got to the line a lot and was really aggressive.

The mock drafts have him and Kemba way way down the big boards in whats being called a weak draft... seems interesting to me. Not seen much college ball this year but does Irving blow kemba and jimmer away?

bit early to talk about the draft without our true position i guess but i will definitely be watching this tournament closely!

 

[Spike]

There are two pretty decent threads about the players in the Personnel Moves section.

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?38867-Prospect-watch-2011
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?39834-Top-Prospects-College-Game-Summaries

 

[Glenn]

Yes, bajaden has broken down the top 30 (in his opinion) college players very nicely. Looks to me like we will get a SF perhaps from Arizona. That's my hope anyway. With luck there is a nice PG. Not All Star quality but the best player in the draft. Check out what we are shooting for in the Personnel Moves section. (pun intended) We'll come out OK but I WILL watch our draft position and like this thread.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Well, that was a stinkburger. Possibly the last Kings game I attend in my entire life...man, I really don't want to go out like that. Lots of action tonight, but no real movement on the board. Only the Raptors won (over the Wizards - somebody had to win), though the T'Wolves put up a fight against the Lakers.

Kings record: 16-51
Kings max wins: 31
Highest possible lottery position: 11
Minimum lottery combos: 8
Possible draft range: 1-14
Next team to eliminate us: Golden State Warriors (30-39)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (13-54)
Washington Wizards (16-51)
Sacramento Kings (16-51)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-53)
Toronto Raptors (19-49)
New Jersey Nets (22-45)