2009 SF Giants Thread

Telemachus said:
I think you are discounting the intangibles that a player like Dunn brings to the table. I agree that I want my cleanup hitter to have a better average than .250, but I also want someone who will put some fear into the opposing pitcher. The Giants haven't had anyone like that since Bonds left. Say what you want about Dunn, but opposing pitchers know when he will be up late in the game and change how they pitch to others as a result.

If Dunn is on deck, Sandavol is less likely to be pitched around (which has happened much more often the second half of the season). Because while Dunn my strike out, he may also hit one into the next state.

And maybe someone can look it up, but I am pretty sure that his average is much better with runners in scoring position and also late in games. Those are also important intangibles when looking at a player.

No one would ever argue that Sammy Sosa wasn't a dangerous hitter, but it is amazing how often he struck out in big at bats and how many of his HRs came when the Cubs were either up or down by 5 or more runs. Give me the player that gets the hits when the game is on the line.
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I am not discounting it. However, those intangibles are not uncommon in a slugger. We can find those somewhere else.
 
kingsnation said:
BA is more important than OBP when it is your cleanup hitter. Why in the world would I want my cleanup hitter to walk? We saw this for years with Barry and look where it got us.

I want Eugenio Velez and Freddy Sanchez to walk. I want my cleanup guy to get RBIs. And if his BA is only 250, that means he is only getting a hit 25 % of the time. I couldn't care less about his walks. A number 4 hitter needs hits.

This is my stance against Dunn. If you want your cleanup hitter to BB or K and only 25 % of the time actually get a hit (and possibly an RBI), then you can take your chances on Dunn.

I will pass.
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Ok, so your ideal cleanupper is Ichiro? He has a great BA!!! BA represents contact, not power. Look at the best clean up hitters - many of them have absolutely terrible BA stats (not bad, terrible) but they all have solid SLG numbers. You want that!!! SLG, OPS!! Not BA.

I do not wanna continue this because it is turning into some Mexican soap opera. What you have said about cleanup hitting is not baseballish.

And Wilson is killing me now.
 
BritishColumbia said:
Ok, so your ideal cleanupper is Ichiro? He has a great BA!!! BA represents contact, not power. Look at the best clean up hitters - many of them have absolutely terrible BA stats (not bad, terrible) but they all have solid SLG numbers. You want that!!! SLG, OPS!! Not BA.

I do not wanna continue this because it is turning into some Mexican soap opera. What you have said about cleanup hitting is not baseballish.

And Wilson is killing me now.
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I said Ichiro? Mexican soap operas?

Yes please stop now.
 
BritishColumbia said:
You did not say that but he looks like your perfect cleanupper.

1. Only 60-65 Ks - check
2. High BA - check

Why not the perfect guy ...
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lol, Yep. That's who I want at clean up next year.

:rolleyes:

I thought you were stopping with this "Mexican Soap Opera?" Or are you driving it now?

I'm done with this Dunn conversation. Are you?
 
kingsnation said:
lol, Yep. That's who I want at clean up next year.

:rolleyes:

I thought you were stopping with this "Mexican Soap Opera?" Or are you driving it now?

I'm done with this Dunn conversation. Are you?
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You asked - I answered.

And it is not about Dunn, it is about BA and clean up hitting. I hope you understand that I have nothing personal against you. However, I find your thoughts about BA, cleanup hitters, Ks etc., being an avid amateur baseball player and fan, a little bit insulting to the game. We all look at the game from different perspectives but what you have said about that stuff is against baseball theory. It is like 2+2=5. It is just difficult for me to digest it.
 
BritishColumbia said:
You asked - I answered.

And it is not about Dunn, it is about BA and clean up hitting. I hope you understand that I have nothing personal against you. However, I find your thoughts about BA, cleanup hitters, Ks etc., being an avid amateur baseball player and fan, a little bit insulting to the game. We all look at the game from different perspectives but what you have said about that stuff is against baseball theory. It is like 2+2=5. It is just difficult for me to digest it.
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I know you have nothing personal against me. This is a message board on the internet....


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I'm sorry you have a hard time 'digesting' differing opinions/theories.

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As I said, I'm done with this "Mexican Soap Opera," we are in the midst of a wild card race...
 
We are NOT in the midst of a wild card race. We are done and it was decided last week. It was a great season and I am not super upset. This team is just not ready; we are not playoff good. We do not deserve that. We've put too much pressure on our pitchers this season; they are worn-out now - physically and emotionally. We should think about next year now and give Buster at least one full game to taste the waters. We have to bring a very good offensive player with a solid SLG percentage. At least one! We need more but we all know it is not gonna happen.

The problem is there are not many solid OPS guys available after the 2009 season. Basically, you have only Bay (A- player, very good offense, subpar defense) and Holiday (A player, great offense, subpar defense).
I think Holiday will resign with the Cards. Bay? Boston has enough money to resign any player. The only question is do they want him or not.
The black Russian (Vladimir) is available also but I am afraid to touch expensive and worn-out players. He played too many games on cheap AstroTurf in Montréal.

It looks like we have a full IF set: Garko/Ishi - Sanchez - Renteria (do not like him at all, looks too old) - Panda.

So, we have at least one OF spot. I hope Nate will play regularly. I really like his arm. Rowand (and his contract) is gonna be our СF for many years to come, like it or not.

Xavier Nady?
Johnny Damon?
Hideki Matsui? (having a great season but he is a Japanese Vladimir)

I Nady is the only player I like for us and he is not a difference-maker by any means! Do we have to trade someone to get a desirable bat? At this point, I think only Cain is that piece and I think we need him badly.
We could resign Penny. Timmy-Zito-Penny-Sanchez-Bum. Actually, it is not that bad IF Penny is SF Penny good, IF Zito is this year Zito good and IF Bum is ready to give us 180 IPs. Too many IFs though.
 
BritishColumbia said:
We are NOT in the midst of a wild card race. We are done and it was decided last week. It was a great season and I am not super upset. This team is just not ready; we are not playoff good. We do not deserve that. We've put too much pressure on our pitchers this season; they are worn-out now - physically and emotionally. We should think about next year now and give Buster at least one full game to taste the waters. We have to bring a very good offensive player with a solid SLG percentage. At least one! We need more but we all know it is not gonna happen.

The problem is there are not many solid OPS guys available after the 2009 season. Basically, you have only Bay (A- player, very good offense, subpar defense) and Holiday (A player, great offense, subpar defense).
I think Holiday will resign with the Cards. Bay? Boston has enough money to resign any player. The only question is do they want him or not.
The black Russian (Vladimir) is available also but I am afraid to touch expensive and worn-out players. He played too many games on cheap AstroTurf in Montréal.

It looks like we have a full IF set: Garko/Ishi - Sanchez - Renteria (do not like him at all, looks too old) - Panda.

So, we have at least one OF spot. I hope Nate will play regularly. I really like his arm. Rowand (and his contract) is gonna be our СF for many years to come, like it or not.

Xavier Nady?
Johnny Damon?
Hideki Matsui? (having a great season but he is a Japanese Vladimir)

I Nady is the only player I like for us and he is not a difference-maker by any means! Do we have to trade someone to get a desirable bat? At this point, I think only Cain is that piece and I think we need him badly.
We could resign Penny. Timmy-Zito-Penny-Sanchez-Bum. Actually, it is not that bad IF Penny is SF Penny good, IF Zito is this year Zito good and IF Bum is ready to give us 180 IPs. Too many IFs though.
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I couldnt have said it any better. Well put. It was a great season and this team, and its fans (us) have a helluva lot to be proud of. We showed we can compete. We are not ready to play with the big boys, our offense sucks too much to do that. We have great pitching, but as you said, our offense needs to pick up to give the hurlers some relief, especially down the stretch.

I hope we can grab some bats in the offseason.
 
BritishColumbia said:
It looks like we have a full IF set: Garko/Ishi - Sanchez - Renteria (do not like him at all, looks too old) - Panda.

So, we have at least one OF spot. I hope Nate will play regularly. I really like his arm. Rowand (and his contract) is gonna be our СF for many years to come, like it or not.

Xavier Nady?
Johnny Damon?
Hideki Matsui? (having a great season but he is a Japanese Vladimir)

I Nady is the only player I like for us and he is not a difference-maker by any means! Do we have to trade someone to get a desirable bat? At this point, I think only Cain is that piece and I think we need him badly.
We could resign Penny. Timmy-Zito-Penny-Sanchez-Bum. Actually, it is not that bad IF Penny is SF Penny good, IF Zito is this year Zito good and IF Bum is ready to give us 180 IPs. Too many IFs though.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Garko isn't back next year. I would hope that Renteria isn't a full time starter either, with Uribe taking his minutes. There's still room for an upgrade at 1b or 3b (moving Pablo to 1b) if needs be. They could also explore their options at 2b, but I expect them to pick up Sanchez's option and bring him back unless his offseason surgery goes bad.

As for the outfield, it sounds like there will be a Torres/Velez platoon leading off. Unfortunately, as you say, Rowand's not going anywhere. I like Nate but I'm not sure I want him playing full time if the offense isn't looking any better. I hope there's not a trade made out of desperation or another mediocre player signed to an absurd contract, but I wouldn't be surprised. Management doesn't seem to be changing.
 
heh... cubbies get down to .0000001% chance to make the playoffs and now they go on a run. What's going on with the Giants? I knew you guys were bad offensively but when the Cubs make you look bad you guys got issues.
 
The Giants are holding a news conference today to announce that GM Brian Sabean and manager Bruce Bochy have received two-year extensions, with club options for 2012.


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Lincecum cited for marijuana possession
SEATTLE (AP)—San Francisco Giants pitcher Tim Lincecum(notes) is facing misdemeanor marijuana charges following a traffic stop in his home state.

Washington State Patrol spokesman Steve Schatzel said Thursday that the 2008 Cy Young Award winner and former University of Washington star was pulled over for speeding on Interstate 5 in the town of Hazel Dell, about four miles north of the Oregon border, on Oct. 30.

An officer approached Lincecum’s 2006 Mercedes and smelled marijuana as the pitcher rolled down his window. Schatzel said Lincecum immediately complied with a request to hand over the drug and a marijuana pipe from the car’s center console.
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The amount measured was 3.3 grams. Schatzel said police consider that a small amount for personal use, well below the maximum of 40 grams before possession is classified differently and carries a more severe penalty.

The arrest was first reported by The Columbian in Vancouver, Wash.

“It was about the size of a thumb, the whole thumb,” Schatzel said of the volume of marijuana Lincecum handed over.

Lincecum was fined a total of $622 for driving at 74 mph in a 60 mph zone, and for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia. Both are misdemeanors.

The 25-year-old All-Star starter entered a plea of not guilty through his attorney on Monday, according to records in Clark County District Court. A hearing that had been scheduled for Friday morning was canceled, pending a pretrial conference between Lincecum’s attorney and a county prosecutor on Nov. 23.

Lincecum is currently scheduled to appear before a judge on Dec. 22.

The Giants said they were aware of the situation but did not immediately have a comment.

The native of the Seattle suburb of Bellevue went 15-7 with a 2.48 ERA in 32 starts and 225 1-3 innings in 2009, his third season in the major leagues. He is 40-17 with a 2.90 ERA in his career, and could be getting a huge, multimillion raise from salary arbitration this offseason.

Teammates consider the smallish right-hander a quirky perfectionist. They also consider him the “Franchise,” the nickname they gave him when he broke into the big leagues only a year out of college. Others see his boyish face, shaggy dark hair, his diminutive frame—and his dominance—and call him “The Freak.”

San Francisco chose him 10th overall in the 2006 draft out of Washington, and he instantly became the organization’s top pitching prospect since Hall of Famer Juan Marichal signed with the New York Giants as an amateur free agent in 1957.

AP Sports Writer Janie McCauley is San Francisco contributed to this report.
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Woopity doooooo!

He was driving 74 in a 60 and had a bit of weed on him. All while A-Roid is being honored by winning the world series. To be honest, I haven't smoked in nearly a year but I might just burn one in support of my boy Lincecum.
 
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I wonder how long he's going to last. You don't see pitchers dominate for an entire career anymore. It would be nice to see Lincecum do that.
 
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