[Game] 16/82: Kings @ Clippers 22 NOV 2024, 7:30pm PT/10:30pm ET

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My advice would be don't take the bait...

Generally it's best if someone is trying to get under your skin and get a reaction out of you to just not let it bother you. Stick to making basketball arguments and not statements about other poster's character and I don't think you'll have any issue with the mods. One of us will step in when/if we think it's appropriate and warn people but it probably will be handled with a private message not out in public. We don't want to tell people they're wrong for having an opinion we don't necessarily agree with -- as long as it's about basketball and not something off topic or just deliberately spiteful.
I appreciate this post but nobody is trying to get under anyone's skin. The_jamal has been posting multiple times when Herter has a decent game calling people out. So he/she should have to accept it the other way, correct?
 
This team has never done well coming off an extended break and yet all the schedule makers give us is compact schedules and long breaks it seems. Like no every other night with an occasional two. And I think this is because they prioritize TV teams and we‘re afterthoughts but no idea if I can prove this.
You know how the early 2000's Kings became a national TV team? They won 55 games and a playoff series.... and then 61 games the next season.
 
The Pels are in such disarray now and yet we play them only in Feb 2025 and that too 3 times in 6 days. Timing is everything.
The Pels scare me. Just like the Suns the season before last. Injuries yes, yet not far enough behind to not make it back up. The scary thing is if and when one or two of those teams down there get a run going. Then if the Kings don't start knocking off some wins now, it's going to be another by the skin of their teeth dog fight for play in positioning.
 
Sabonis 40 mins
Murray 40 mins
Fox 43 Mins
Demar 36 Mins

Not sure how sustainable this is if the main guys need to put up near 40 minutes on a nightly basis. Kings don't really have a good bench too. This is going to be a problem. Brown is stubborn and probably more than likely won't play the young guys either.
 
The Pels scare me. Just like the Suns the season before last. Injuries yes, yet not far enough behind to not make it back up. The scary thing is if and when one or two of those teams down there get a run going. Then if the Kings don't start knocking off some wins now, it's going to be another by the skin of their teeth dog fight for play in positioning.
The other problem is the Warriors and Rockets. We didn't figure they would be this good
 

pdxKingsFan

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You know how the early 2000's Kings became a national TV team? They won 55 games and a playoff series.... and then 61 games the next season.
What about just trying to make a schedule that doesn’t seem ridiculously unbalanced right from the jump. I know it’s partially because the league wants to have at least one game on every single day, but maybe there are ways to accomplish that in a more equitable manner.
 
The Pels scare me. Just like the Suns the season before last. Injuries yes, yet not far enough behind to not make it back up. The scary thing is if and when one or two of those teams down there get a run going. Then if the Kings don't start knocking off some wins now, it's going to be another by the skin of their teeth dog fight for play in positioning.
I don’t think the Pels have time to catch up. They are 9 games under .500 with 65 games left. If they go 40-25 the rest of the way which is super unlikely they only have 44 wins. Not impossible but they would need really need to get going fast to make something like that happen
 
What about just trying to make a schedule that doesn’t seem ridiculously unbalanced right from the jump. I know it’s partially because the league wants to have at least one game on every single day, but maybe there are ways to accomplish that in a more equitable manner.
That would be common sense, but we know the league plays favorites. So I just never expect it, until we become a main attraction again. It happened before, it can happen again
 
After saying you just don't see any reason for starting Huerter over Keon,....you have since said that you can understand why Brown went with Huerter.

Maybe that's where some of the confusion has been for some?
I mean the case for Huerter is incredibly easy; dude who's been an elite NBA shooter his whole career and shown incredibly chemistry with Fox and Domas in his first 2 years. And he fully has Brown's trust, which does matter quite a bit to NBA coaches.

So yeah, I understand why Brown went Huerter. Doesn't mean I agree. And I especially don't agree if Huerter isn't 38%+ from 3 and continues to massively struggle with his shot.
 

pdxKingsFan

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That would be common sense, but we know the league plays favorites. So I just never expect it, until we become a main attraction again. It happened before, it can happen again
It’s just kind of wild there are 173 days in the regular season. The league could make it so a team played a game every other day and never back to back in that window. And still have an all star break.
 
The Pels scare me. Just like the Suns the season before last. Injuries yes, yet not far enough behind to not make it back up. The scary thing is if and when one or two of those teams down there get a run going. Then if the Kings don't start knocking off some wins now, it's going to be another by the skin of their teeth dog fight for play in positioning.
The Pels have been a bad matchup for us. I think they might trade Ingram by the trade deadline (Feb 7, 2025) and we play them only from Feb 9 onwards. It looks like it will be a dogfight in the West again.

In any case, Kings have to worry about getting their own house in order first. Fully integrating a piece like DeMar is going to take a while. We have to be smart about quickly working out the pecking order though. Our schedule is only going to get tougher and we need to level up soon.
 
I mean the case for Huerter is incredibly easy; dude who's been an elite NBA shooter his whole career and shown incredibly chemistry with Fox and Domas in his first 2 years. And he fully has Brown's trust, which does matter quite a bit to NBA coaches.

So yeah, I understand why Brown went Huerter. Doesn't mean I agree. And I especially don't agree if Huerter isn't 38%+ from 3.
That's fair......but the truth then, is that you do see reasons for it? Not a big deal. Just saying
 
That's fair......but the truth then, is that you do see reasons for it? Not a big deal. Just saying
Well I'm not a weirdo like some of you and believe Huerter is worth more than a bag of potato chips. Just because I think Huerter is good DOESN'T MEAN I don't think Keon is a much better fit as a starter and possibly a better player at this point.

Like I said. Capable of having 2 thoughts at the same time. Crazy, I know.
 
I don’t think the Pels have time to catch up. They are 9 games under .500 with 65 games left. If they go 40-25 the rest of the way which is super unlikely they only have 44 wins. Not impossible but they would need really need to get going fast to make something like that happen
If their talent fits then it's possible 40-25 is on the low end of their potential during that stretch. I would think it's another year where you have to be 50 wins or more to get into 6th, but 7-10 might be wide open. Regardless, they could potentially be a spoiler team and if the Kings are fighting for positioning facing them 3 times in that meat of the deadline season could hurt.
 
Well I'm not a weirdo like some of you and believe Huerter is worth more than a bag of potato chips. Just because I think Huerter is good DOESN'T MEAN I don't think Keon is a much better fit as a starter and possibly a better player at this point.

Like I said. Capable of having 2 thoughts at the same time. Crazy, I know.
I think he's worth less than he's being paid, but hope McNair can get equal value for his contract in a player who better fits this roster.

Then we don't have to worry about Keon not getting enough minutes anymore
 
The other problem is the Warriors and Rockets. We didn't figure they would be this good
you have to wonder if they are going to sustain that but both of those teams highlight how important depth is. Take the Rockets starting 5 vs Kings

Fox > Fred
Kev < Green
Deebo > Brooks
Keegan > Smith Jr
Sabonis > Sengun.

we have easily the best player and are better than them at 4 of the 5 starting positions but they are 12-5 and we are 8-8.

We are going to need defensive stoppers, energy guys, great shooters from the rest of the cast. A trade or two is going to be needed and we are going to need to find a way to get Carter into the rotation when he returns. Until then we have to figure out how to play better earlier in games and stop digging holes we spend all game trying to climb out of
 

hrdboild

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I appreciate this post but nobody is trying to get under anyone's skin. The_jamal has been posting multiple times when Herter has a decent game calling people out. So he/she should have to accept it the other way, correct?
Other people have made comments in support of Huerter's good play this season. Once you take the step from talking about Huerter's play (good or bad) to talking about one particular person's past comments about Huerter's play that starts to look like troll-ish behavior to me, understandable as the impulse may be to rub it in when you feel your opinion has been validated.

Also, we've still got 66 regular season games to go. Just speaking for myself, I'm not looking forward to hearing this same argument dredged up after every one of them whether Huerter has a good game that day, a bad game, or just an average one. It's already getting tiresome for me. So my hope is that you two can come to some sort of an agreement to at least table this until some later date (say halfway through the season) when we have a few more data points with which to have an actual discussion. But that's really up to y'all. Venting after a tough loss is a kingsfans.com tradition and I wouldn't want to deprive anyone of their chance to blow off steam. I would just encourage the two of you to try to find a more respectful tone toward each other if you can.
 
If their talent fits then it's possible 40-25 is on the low end of their potential during that stretch. I would think it's another year where you have to be 50 wins or more to get into 6th, but 7-10 might be wide open. Regardless, they could potentially be a spoiler team and if the Kings are fighting for positioning facing them 3 times in that meat of the deadline season could hurt.
yeh the next 2 weeks will be telling for them and Herb, CJ and more are back next week. I don’t think they make the playoffs but spoiler is a real possibility
 

hrdboild

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This team has never done well coming off an extended break and yet all the schedule makers give us is compact schedules and long breaks it seems. Like no every other night with an occasional two. And I think this is because they prioritize TV teams and we‘re afterthoughts but no idea if I can prove this.
There must be some truth to this just in regards to which teams are selected for Thursday night Inside the NBA coverage. If you figure all the National TV games get set first and can't be moved and then the rest of the schedule gets built around that, we're doubly screwed as a California team with longer travel legs whose schedule is built around trying to accommodate everyone else's TV games.

But while I have no problem criticizing the officiating when it feels blatantly inconsistent, as it so often does, blaming the schedule when the team loses is something I try not to get too deeply involved in. The schedule is at least a known quantity that we can prepare for at the start of the year even if it's not entirely equitable and probably won't ever be.
 
you have to wonder if they are going to sustain that but both of those teams highlight how important depth is. Take the Rockets starting 5 vs Kings

Fox > Fred
Kev < Green
Deebo > Brooks
Keegan > Smith Jr
Sabonis > Sengun.

we have easily the best player and are better than them at 4 of the 5 starting positions but they are 12-5 and we are 8-8.

We are going to need defensive stoppers, energy guys, great shooters from the rest of the cast. A trade or two is going to be needed and we are going to need to find a way to get Carter into the rotation when he returns. Until then we have to figure out how to play better earlier in games and stop digging holes we spend all game trying to climb out of
I don't figure they will sustain this winning %,.....the question is will they maintain something a little higher overall than the Kings
 
I don't believe that's quite correct.

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The east coast
What team has regular 8:00 starts?
Any team starting at 5pm in the Pacific time zone, 6pm in the Mountain time zone or 7pm in the Central time zone? Those would all be 8pm starts on the East Coast. Our home games typically start even later.
I think people questioning Qwerty were assuming he was talking local start times which aren't a thing to my knowledge except maybe with that weird start time gimmick they pulled the day before election day.
Yeah, outside of the blue-moon national TV game or a holiday schedule, games starting at 8pm local time isn't really a thing that happens.
8 PM starts??? Ugh
I wasn't talking about a single team, per se, but in general, you can be a fan living on the East Coast, and see a game that begins at 8p. I wasn't specifically talking about a Kings game in Sacramento starting as late as 8p.

I will add here that I did not realize that the NBA moved the start times of their nationally televised games during the REGULAR SEASON, so they begin a little earlier (4/4:30p PST for the first game, and 6/6:30p PST for the second game). However, I would like to add here, for those who may be a little too young to remember, there was a time when TNT and ESPN began their weekday prime time coverage at 5p PST. And if that game were an East Coast team, you're looking at an 8p EST game. Oh, which was not the actual tip-off time, as they almost always led off with a studio segment before the tip-off, so those games used to tip-off after 8p local time (i.e. where the game is being played). Also, and I do believe this to still be factual, you could potentially see a postseason game in the East Coast begin as late as 8p local time (EST), or even later (as was the case for one of the home games in Miami in recent memory - I can't remember which game, but I very well remember it tipping off around or just after 6p PST, which meant it tipped off around or just after 9p EST).
 
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you have to wonder if they are going to sustain that but both of those teams highlight how important depth is. Take the Rockets starting 5 vs Kings

Fox > Fred
Kev < Green
Deebo > Brooks
Keegan > Smith Jr
Sabonis > Sengun.

we have easily the best player and are better than them at 4 of the 5 starting positions but they are 12-5 and we are 8-8.

We are going to need defensive stoppers, energy guys, great shooters from the rest of the cast. A trade or two is going to be needed and we are going to need to find a way to get Carter into the rotation when he returns. Until then we have to figure out how to play better earlier in games and stop digging holes we spend all game trying to climb out of

Fox better than FVV but Fred is better team passer (meaning assists) and better 3 point shooter.
Brooks is better than DDR in defense and again a better 3pt shooter.
Keegan, Jabari is hard to tell because both of them are really unstable especially this season in the offensive part.
Sabonis is better than Sengun overall, but Sengun has a "bigger bag" in offense or how is the term?

Now the big difference between us and Rockets is the bench productivity not only in points but also in defense, stops, rebounds etc. Eason and Amen Thompson are phenomenal, bringing energy from the bench in the "wings" sector that is our weakest point by far this season having only Lyles as a reliable (and not always) solution behind DeMar and Keegan.

Overall they play better defense, they have a coach that has made them to "die on the court" and ok he might look like a vilain in a movie, but last season we couldn't match their physicality and I doubt can do it this year either the way we have been playing in most of the matches. It's admirable that they have achieved to be so competitive but i don't really like how hard they play sometimes (maybe too hard, with Brooks having this Draymond role often) wanting to be the Bad Boys 30+ years later than the authentic ones at Detroit.