Fire PDA!

[Larry David]

wait wait wait

Grant may be a voice out in the community, but he was not a voice for the fans fighting to keep the team. Let's be clear on that. Nothing wrong with the fans taking a pee on that huckleberry.

Grant gives whores a bad name. He was a big help on the last drive because it helps his ratings. Remember this fall, he did two weeks trying to give the Maloofs breathing room by arguing that a renovation of Arco was a good thing because a new arena would mean ticket prices that price out most fans and the data showed the games wouldn't be well attended at that price.

He will literally say anything no matter how crazy it sound to keep most of the heard in line and say the opposite thing the next week. He keeps a big chunk of the base on board but has also turned a chunk of the folks that can't stand him off the Kings as well

 

[VF21]

Wait. Is this the bash PDA thread or the bash Grant thread?

Geez, guys. Some of this stuff is just downright embarrassing...

 

[Larry David]

He got the Maloofs word out. When people challenged the lies the Maloofs were spread through him, he shot them down. He was a voice for the Maloofs. The Maloofs were trying to move the team and he backed them. When he changed tune, it was too late, and not a product of anything but fear for his future employment.

He tried to have it both ways, but you can't. The best thing he could have done was not be a voicebox for the people the community was fighting against, but he was exactly that and there will be no rewriting of history in his case.

But wait ... Grant won't talk about that. "The past is the past. This is a fresh start." Hangs up

 

[pshn80]

You are right about that. I would still say that he did his part on air, but that's my opinion.

I agree. I've lived with Napear on my car radio since he started and I saw no problem with his "on-air" stance and keeping the Kings in Sacto and supporting the team. It's his livelyhood and he does it well. He does not discriminate, he rants at everything and cuts off any one of us. Don't like him all the time but he's on the same side as the Kings and I.

 

[Larry David]

Wait. Is this the bash PDA thread or the bash Grant thread?

Geez, guys. Some of this stuff is just downright embarrassing...

This turned into "Loud noises. I don't know what we're yelling about a long time ago." The shark that Brick and company jumped 14 hours ago recently got onto Fonzi's motorcycle and jumped another shark.

 

[Livinthedream]

Wait. Is this the bash PDA thread or the bash Grant thread?

Geez, guys. Some of this stuff is just downright embarrassing...

It's a free for all! 7 years of pent up frustration is all coming out. If I was a psych grad student, I would write my thesis on these last 3 days. It's awesome to witness.

 

[bajaden]

So you don't have a problem with people's loyalty being questioned, a reoccurring theme, yet have a problem with the reaction?

And I fully agree my comments don't help in keeping things civil, but I responded to someone who did little to keep things civil himself. Exactly what do you expect when fans loyalty repeatedly gets questioned? It's not even arguing basketball or the topics at hand.

Maybe since I'm incapable of comprehension, you can explain to me whether or not your implying that I have been responsible for incivility. I don't want to misunderstand what you've written. I believe I've made quite a few posts asking for people to calm things down. As for the post your refering to, anyone with half a brain, thats not running around on an emotional agenda, would realize that I know his loyalities are to the Kings. All I was trying to do was point out to him how what he had written could be misunderstood. If you want to see holier than thou, then maybe you should look in the mirror. I didn't attack you! You came looking for a fight. Frankly, I'm walking on eggs around you. I don't know whats going to pee you off or not.

Now, I not only have to worry about what I say to you, I have to worry about what I say to others as well. Apparently your the new civllity policeman. So since your bigger, and stronger, and smarter, I bid you farewell!

 

[hrdboild]

This turned into "Loud noises. I don't know what we're yelling about a long time ago." The shark that Brick and company jumped 14 hours ago recently got onto Fonzi's motorcycle and jumped another shark.

It goes both ways man. But I'm rather tired of it myself. I've already said everything I have to say on the matter. I can't stand TDOS. I like to talk about basketball and there won't be any of that to talk about for a long while now, so this is usually the point in the year when I check out and come back again in 3 or 4 months. There's no hard feelings from my end. I try very hard to simply stick to debating the facts, not calling people names -- even when the same courtesy is not returned. But I do often fall victim to responding to snark with some snark of my own, so I apologize for that when I allowed it to seep in. Everyone has heard well enough from me for a long while anyway I'd say, so you'll get what you want. I'm still looking forward to next season, whoever is on the team at that point, and many successful seasons to come. As Vivek says, long live the Kings!

 

[VF21]

It's a free for all! 7 years of pent up frustration is all coming out. If I was a psych grad student, I would write my thesis on these last 3 days. It's awesome to witness.

I don't know about the other mods, but it's exactly for that reason that I haven't pulled the plug. Hopefully once all the poison is out, the wounds will finally start to heal.

 

[swisshh]

This is TDOS, but at least there's real news to talk about. The team is staying, there's a new coach and GM. Tyreke has been moved. The team is going with a passing PG. There's free agent efforts. Summer League should be interesting with the Mac Attack.

Normally, TDOS is a new rookie, a debate on whether the team will even spend money on Summer League, and the most listless Free Agency pursuit in sports. Normally, we're manufacturing topics about Jason Thompson buying a new car.

 

[AaronPDX]

Wow. Went to the beach house for the weekend where we (purposely) have no Internet. Look what I came back to, a nasty plane wreck and THIS.....YIKES !!!

 

[Kingster]

Hey, wait a minute. We have to talk about how DA and Vivek and Malone just came in here and blew IT into the stands with this trade. (And picking that pg with the second round pick was a shot across the bow; that's an underhanded insult if I ever saw one). Wasn't IT the one that blew the vaunted defense of the Warriors into the universe when he hoisted those threes in the last game? Remember Jerry West coming out there to great him after the game? Where was Malone then? Didn't see him out on the floor guarding anybody. Where was Vivek? Did he see IT blow them away? How 'bout that Warriors D? Hugh? Why hasn't IT been given due deference? Why isn't there homage paid to him like Cousins? Are they visiting IT in his home in Seattle? Kissing his feet? Why is there the unthinking assumption that this Vasquez guy was traded that IT was going to give him a hug and kisses and wish him the best as the starting point guard? (Just because this Vasquez guy kicked his butt in a couple of games doesn't mean squat; it's the entire season you have to take a look at). So, Malone, Listen Up! IT kicked your vaunted defense's rear. Remember that as you dispense minutes. I'm expecting the same thing happens with IT this coming year that happened the last two: you don't figure out he's the best you've got until the second half of the season. So there. And there. And there. And you all suck who disagree with me!

 

[Sac4cwebb]

Geeezzzz Give these guys a break! (PDA et al) I am quite certain they know more about putting together a basketball team than many of us. I for one think they are doing a great job. Wait until we start losing before calling for their heads.

 

[steelevt]

I think he's just echoing the observation that there is clearly some dissonance between what this new regime has publicly declared as the priority (defense) and the actions they've taken since making those declarations. The two player acquisitions we've made have clearly pulled our team back in terms of defensive ability. Not to say that Malone can't install a system that promotes success in the area, but the personnel decisions have not complemented such efforts.

First, he trades a player with strong defensive ability in Reke for a player with poor athleticism and defensive ability in Vasquez. Along with passing on Robin Lopez and Jeff Withey (both defensive roleplayers at positions where we needed them) and courting Jose Calderon, I don't think it's unfair at all to question the logic or execution of the plan they publicly declared. So far, PDA has been all talk (and he sure loves to talk), as we have no historical basis from which to gauge whether he can execute or not. We have only his moves so far to judge, and they're not encouraging.

As soon as he begins making moves that dispel some of this incongruity between what he's saying and what he's actually doing, you'll see people step a little further away from the ledge. As of now, he's only creating more questions than answers. That's the reaction you're seeing from the fans right now.

Don't think this is basis to question one's loyalty to the team. In fact, we should all be more loyal to the logo itself and less to the men behind it. Players and executives come and go all the time, and we can't assume that every one of them is good at their jobs. We're all rooting for what we think is best for the team - just that some question that PDA is doing what's best. Hope that's reasonable.

That is a problem I brought up in another thread. The thing is the new regime (Vivek and Malone) made those public statements before we hired PDA. PDA came in and talked about a shooting and passing team in his conference and I don't recall him saying anything about defense. There different views of team identity is something I noticed and brought up and some saw the same whereas others called it ridiculous.

 

[roasthawg]

That is a problem I brought up in another thread. The thing is the new regime (Vivek and Malone) made those public statements before we hired PDA. PDA came in and talked about a shooting and passing team in his conference and I don't recall him saying anything about defense. There different views of team identity is something I noticed and brought up and some saw the same whereas others called it ridiculous.

My take is that Malone is speaking as a coach... now as a personnel guy. He's gonna teach/preach team defense as a priority regardless of what his roster looks like. The Warriors didn't have many good individual defenders last year but were one of the better defensive teams in the league overall.

 

[kingsfanslc]

Yea , ill be the one to start this thread.. before things get worse and worse... he lost Reke.. hes signing a scorer we dont ****ing need.. I had bad vibes from the start with this guy..

I dont care if people bash me for this thread. I can sense it, things are going totally wrong. and we should fix it RIGHT NOW!

EDIT: For clarification, the OP has apologized for even starting this thread, admitting that he was a little too influenced by certain alcoholic spirits to be thinking clearly. - VF21

Wow!!!!!

SMDH

 

[sergmatt]

While individual defenders are nice, ultimately it comes down to team defense.

The Kings actually led the league one year in FG % Defense (which matters more than points allowed) despite having a pathetic defensive PG Mike Bibby and also sub-par defenders like Vlade and Brad Miller. If a team full of those slow-footed lateral-movement stiffs can lead the league in FG% Against that tells you all you need to know about the importance of a good defensive scheme.......and maybe a little luck. I still don't know to this day how that team achieved that with a sieve like Bibby guarding the point.

 

[Bricklayer]

While individual defenders are nice, ultimately it comes down to team defense.

The Kings actually led the league one year in FG % Defense (which matters more than points allowed) despite having a pathetic defensive PG Mike Bibby and also sub-par defenders like Vlade and Brad Miller. If a team full of those slow-footed lateral-movement stiffs can lead the league in FG% Against that tells you all you need to know about the importance of a good defensive scheme.......and maybe a little luck. I still don't know to this day how that team achieved that with a sieve like Bibby guarding the point.

You have your years mixed up. Our defense died during the year to which you are referring (2003-04).

We led the league in FG% defense the year before (2002-03), and that was not an accident: that was the year we scooped up Jim Jackson (excellent defender) and Keon Clark (our best shotblocker of the Sacto era probably) at the end of free agency. We had BJax and Christie and Pollard (once he got back) and Jackson and Clark and Hedo (a good defender at the time) and Gerald Wallace deep on the bench. Webb still had remnants of his athleticism and shtoblocking ability. We had a LOT of good defenders on that team. And not surprisingly it was the best team of the Sacto era. Better even than the 01-02 team. It just was felled by injuries.

In any case, you can carry a number of soft defenders on the team, but you need them to be surrounded by strong ones.

The next year we let Jackson and Clark go, we traded Hedo and Pollard to get Miller, BJax got hurt, Webb was gone and returned a shell, Christie started to fade, and our defense collapsed. We still had all our soft defenders, including a couple of new ones in Miller and Songaila, but we had lost all the strong defenders that had made us great the year before. I still remember Adelman hinting at that in training camp of that year, noting how we had lost length and nobody could tell him this was the same team despite all the familiar faces. And then we dropped precipitously in defending stats across the board.

2002-03 Strong Defenders: JJackson, Clark, Turkoglu, Wallace, Pollard, Christie, BJackson, Webb (pre injury)
Opp Pts: 95.3 (NBA Rank: 15th)
Opp FG%: .420 (NBA Rank: 1st)
Opp 3pt%: .320 (NBA Rank: 1st)

2003-04 Strong Defenders: , Wallace, Christie (aging), BJackson (hurt)
Opp Pts: 97.8(NBA Rank: 25th)
Opp FG%: .454NBA Rank: 26th)
Opp 3pt%: .339 (NBA Rank: 10th)

And that is the same coaching staff, the same veterans (amongst the poorer defenders), same defensive system. But we lost our defensive personnel, and the results went with them.

 

[sergmatt]

You have your years mixed up. Our defense died during the year to which you are referring (2003-04).

We led the league in FG% defense the year before (2002-03), and that was not an accident: that was the year we scooped up Jim Jackson (excellent defender) and Keon Clark (our best shotblocker of the Sacto era probably) at the end of free agency. We had BJax and Christie and Pollard (once he got back) and Jackson and Clark and Hedo (a good defender at the time) and Gerald Wallace deep on the bench. Webb still had remnants of his athleticism and shtoblocking ability. We had a LOT of good defenders on that team. And not surprisingly it was the best team of the Sacto era. Better even than the 01-02 team. It just was felled by injuries.

In any case, you can carry a number of soft defenders on the team, but you need them to be surrounded by strong ones.

The next year we let Jackson and Clark go, we traded Hedo and Pollard to get Miller, BJax got hurt, Webb was gone and returned a shell, Christie started to fade, and our defense collapsed. We still had all our soft defenders, including a couple of new ones in Miller and Songaila, but we had lost all the strong defenders that had made us great the year before. I still remember Adelman hinting at that in training camp of that year, noting how we had lost length and nobody could tell him this was the same team despite all the familiar faces. And then we dropped precipitously in defending stats across the board.

Good point and nice catch. It was the year before Brad Miller got here (which partially explains the dropoff). Certainly Jim Jackson and Keon Clark helped but neither played true starters minutes and that was still a team that relied heavily on Mike Bibby who was a terrible defender, Vlade (who was sub-average), and Webber (who was average at best defensively).

I think what it does show is that a good scheme and having a few hard-nosed players like both Jacksons, Pollard, and Clark does in fact help influence the weaker defenders.

With that said, I think when the Kings inevitably swing a deal to move some of the redundant players that they have, they need to bring in a defensive minded SF and some sort of defensive big man.

 

[Entity]

Also we have had one of the 3-5 worst if not the worst defense in the last 3-5 years in both opp fg% and ppg. for some reason in 09-10 we weren't in the top 10 worst. can't figure that out. The year we had Dalembert didn't change much for our defense. Evans rookie year was our best defense in quite a while. line up of udrich,Evans,casspi or udoka or Garcia then JT and hawes

 

[sdballer]

It's a simple thing for me. I'd rather have enough good defenders that a defensive coach can make a team into a great unit rather than all poor defenders that a coach can hopefully make into decent. GS is getting used as an example for a lot of things around here but last year was their second playoff appearance in 19 years. It was great to see and I think they'll build from it but I don't think we should use that as our blueprint for rebuilding while tossing out the rest of nba history.

 

[steelevt]

My take is that Malone is speaking as a coach... now as a personnel guy. He's gonna teach/preach team defense as a priority regardless of what his roster looks like. The Warriors didn't have many good individual defenders last year but were one of the better defensive teams in the league overall.

True they didn't have many, but they had some. Bogut, ezeli, and draymond green cone to mind. I woulda added biedrins but he didnt get much playing time whenever I saw the warriors play. Malone doesn't need an all defensive team but getting him something to work with would make his job easier. So far he has a 6'6 center, salmons when he guards sg instead of sf, and I guess outlaw has the tool but I'm just reaching at that point.

 

[Bricklayer]

True they didn't have many, but they had some. Bogut, ezeli, and draymond green cone to mind. I woulda added biedrins but he didnt get much playing time whenever I saw the warriors play. Malone doesn't need an all defensive team but getting him something to work with would make his job easier. So far he has a 6'6 center, salmons when he guards sg instead of sf, and I guess outlaw has the tool but I'm just reaching at that point.

Jack and Barnes were also solid.

My largest interest in Malone as a coach, other than his bloodlines, is precisely in his ability to get that crew to perform well defensively. The question is, even if he was able to, why would you go out and try to make it that hard on him again? Give him a roster with some real defensive stalwarts and see what he can do.

 

[kingwin]

if we sign monta ellis....im officially on the FIRE PDA TRAIN...mind boggling and irresponsible...

 

[Darren]

I hope he signs Monta to continue the legacy

 

[SacTownKid]

if we sign monta ellis....im officially on the FIRE PDA TRAIN...mind boggling and irresponsible...

If they even have serious interest in him, how can it not completely shake whatever thread of trust they have left.

 

[andjel]

thing can still work out.
After doubling his GM experience, with consultation with team doctor, PDA announces that Vasquez has undisclosed physical condition and the deal is null.
Since it was proven that nobody else in NBA wants Reke, he takes lowered offer of 4/32 with team option for last 3 years and grows 2 inches to solve SF problem.
Masterpiece.

 

[Entity]

if we sign monta ellis....im officially on the FIRE PDA TRAIN...mind boggling and irresponsible...

I am damn sure getting there. I mean Evans has better fg% better 3pt% alot better defense. but we don't match Evans and go after Monta???? WTF is going on.

 

[ParniValjak]

While I am FAR from pleased (in fact I am FURIOUS) with our moves so far this off-season, it is way too early for these types of threads!

But **** me we have stuffed up so far abd we are a week into the free agency!

 

[funkykingston]

Lol at the notion of "changing the culture" if they are seriously pursuing Monta Ellis. Mark Jackson essentially said flat out that getting RID of Ellis improved the culture in Golden State. As far as I know Tyreke Evans never sexually harassed anyone in the Kings organization. Oh, and he was a far more efficient player on the court as well.

While this thread may have some cathartic value in allowing fans to vent, we all know PDA isn't getting fired this offseason. Or next offseason for that matter. He'll be given a long leash to "rebuild" the team. Which to me only makes it a worse situation. Right now I have the horrible feeling that we'll have 3 years of mismanagement and mediocrity before having a new GM come in and start this process all over again. Starting with trying to trade away the ending contracts of Ellis and Landry for something useful before the new arena opens.