Kings sign Carl Landry

[Entity]

Jason Thompson: 28 MPG: 10.9 PPG, (11.7 FGA/36) 13.8% TRB, 53% TS, 50 eFG, 18.2 USG%, 14.2 PER
Carl Landry: 23 MPG: 10.8 PPG, (11.6 FGA/36) 14.2% TRB, 60% TS, 54% eFG, 20 USG%, 17.5 PER

So I ask again. If JT fits with Cousins, why can’t Landry?

BECAUSE he Fu****g didn't. AGAIN and (I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH) THE MOTHER ****** PLAYED with cousins already and it DID NOT work. that is why we freakin traded him. it didn't work it didn't work it didn't freakin work. why is this so hard for you to understadn the sob was here before it didn't freakin work. JT worked much better with CUZ much much much much better not statistically for JT but for Cuz and for the team.

 

[Arkitect]

Well, after reading most of this thread after a long day here is my take:

I like Carl Landry in the role GSW used him. I think that is the role we will use him. He isn't a starter .. surely Michael Malone knows this. I cannot agree with those who said that this was a bad move because 'Carl Landry already failed here' ... The entire team failed here under the older ownership group, coaching staff, and front office. We've seen this happen over and over again. Cisco can't get off the bench here, he leaves and startes in the playoffs for Houston. Carl Landry leaves and becomes way more effective with a team that doesn't try and do too much with him.

Per36, Landry was better than JT in just about every category. Not a perfect stat, but It shows how you can maximize what you get out of a player, and you can also reach a point where you are playing that player too much. We may have hit that with JT last year as a starter. Per36 Carl Landry shot a higher percentage, scored more points, took the same amount of shots, and rebounded better. Yes, rebounded better. (It was a down year in rebounding for JT for some season). The Key is Landry only played 23 minutes a game and came off the bench.

I have to believe in logic. Once you stop believing in that then it doesn't make sense to even talk about this stuff. YES. We have too many bigs and not one defender. YES. We have exactly one starting caliber big man in Cousins, 3 3rd bigs (Landry, Thompson, and Patterson) and one 5th big (Hayes).

Out of those 3, Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, and Pattrick Patterson you can make a solid case for Carl Landry as the best player out of the 3. Now, if you tell me our next target is Omer Asik I'll tell you Landry is the best fit hands down. With Asik, you are essentially playing 2 centers in your starting unit, which makes the need for JT's size smaller and the need for bench scoring greater. Landry is a better offensive player. We can all agree on that?

Logic tells me this isn't the crew we will open the season with. Logic tells me a trade is brewing. If this logic doesn't exist than we have major problems. Major.

I will not get worked up over the potential negatives just yet, because if we trade JT and Patterson for Asik tomorrow this all goes away. The Landry signing makes all the sense in the world then. This deal is for a good player and the number isn't outrageous, and under many scenarios a trade or two can be made to make this look much better. Not panicing yet.

If we do nothing else, I'll send Sacramento some pitch forks.

I want so much to believe that we are planning on making a move for Asik or Varejao or some starting level defensive minded center. But why not wait until you actually trade for him before signing Carl Landry? It was not like Landry was this hot commodity that every team in the league was trying to acquire.

 

[The_Jamal]

Well, after reading most of this thread after a long day here is my take:

I like Carl Landry in the role GSW used him. I think that is the role we will use him. He isn't a starter .. surely Michael Malone knows this. I cannot agree with those who said that this was a bad move because 'Carl Landry already failed here' ... The entire team failed here under the older ownership group, coaching staff, and front office. We've seen this happen over and over again. Cisco can't get off the bench here, he leaves and startes in the playoffs for Houston. Carl Landry leaves and becomes way more effective with a team that doesn't try and do too much with him.

Per36, Landry was better than JT in just about every category. Not a perfect stat, but It shows how you can maximize what you get out of a player, and you can also reach a point where you are playing that player too much. We may have hit that with JT last year as a starter. Per36 Carl Landry shot a higher percentage, scored more points, took the same amount of shots, and rebounded better. Yes, rebounded better. (It was a down year in rebounding for JT for some season). The Key is Landry only played 23 minutes a game and came off the bench.

I have to believe in logic. Once you stop believing in that then it doesn't make sense to even talk about this stuff. YES. We have too many bigs and not one defender. YES. We have exactly one starting caliber big man in Cousins, 3 3rd bigs (Landry, Thompson, and Patterson) and one 5th big (Hayes).

Out of those 3, Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, and Pattrick Patterson you can make a solid case for Carl Landry as the best player out of the 3. Now, if you tell me our next target is Omer Asik I'll tell you Landry is the best fit hands down. With Asik, you are essentially playing 2 centers in your starting unit, which makes the need for JT's size smaller and the need for bench scoring greater. Landry is a better offensive player. We can all agree on that?

Logic tells me this isn't the crew we will open the season with. Logic tells me a trade is brewing. If this logic doesn't exist than we have major problems. Major.

I will not get worked up over the potential negatives just yet, because if we trade JT and Patterson for Asik tomorrow this all goes away. The Landry signing makes all the sense in the world then. This deal is for a good player and the number isn't outrageous, and under many scenarios a trade or two can be made to make this look much better. Not panicing yet.

If we do nothing else, I'll send Sacramento some pitch forks.

This is my take as well. Landry is a clear upgrade over JT and Ppat. That much is not in question.

However, all 3 together are as you stated, redundant. This leads me to believe we have something in the works involving JT and/or Ppat and inked Landry as a preemptive strike. I like the move because I'm fairly certain this is leading to a larger deal involving our movable parts to fill our holes.

 

[andjel]

Er...what?

Then we cleared Reke out for a backup PG? We clearly intend this to be Vasquz's team to run. For better or worse that position appears settled.

Actually we were still chasing Calderon after Kings agreed to remove Reke. Vasquez is plan B at best. There is tweet timeline buried in this thread.

 

[Entity]

You need a crash course of how statistics work, my friend. And 2010-2011 was actually THE WORST season of Landry's career.

Sooo.


Yea

look at the year before. we traded him that year genious. he averaged 18 pts 6.5 reb. the absolute best of his ENTIRE FN CAREER with the kings and IT didn't damn work with CUZ. your missing the point we aren't buildig around landry.

 

[Bricklayer]

What the Kings needed and still need was to have players buy into the system and the coaching staff. IN order to do that you need to change the culture of the team. Not every move is made for the same reasons and I am sure the front office isn't going to make public who they think fits and does not fit. We fans appear to want to make sense of every move because we want to build the winner right now. This team had a terrible culture and it needed to be changed. I sure hope that the front office is playing chess because I do not see four moves ahead in anything but I do have my own opinions
1) I wanted a PG who could pass and make assists(done)
2) I saw landry play at GS and wondered why I was impressed with him there but didn't like him here( so I will pass on that)
3) I thought Tyreke does not have the basketball IQ of someone I would pay 11 million a year for
this next one is going to make everyone hate me
4) I don't think Cousins deserves to be the man on this team or any other team( I feel he will be traded)
5) I love the players we have added to the roster(all good character guys who know how to play the game

Let's see what we do with everyone now. I give them three seasons to make the playoffs, two seasons to get better

Lots of excuses, and really if true an offputting arrogance by the new front office, which comes in here attacking team culture and then proceeds to attack exactly the few solid guys we've had.

We HAD Carl Landry here. And now if he's coming in, which of the following players do you think need attitude readjusting/redacting: Jason Thompson, Patrick Patterson, Chuck Hayes. Which of those guys isn't going to buy into a system? Because I look at those names and those might be the 3 best citizens on the team, and every bit as likely to buy in as Landry. A good deal more likely to pass help defend too.

Oh, and a team full of good character mediocrities is nothing whatsoever without a star, a good many of whom are complete *******s. Just life. Cousins means everything tot his franchise now. Carl Landry is an basketball insect in comparison.

 

[KingMilz]

You can pair any big man with Cousins due to his insane amount of skills. While it might not have worked all that good before with him and Landry it's still a big upgrade over Cousins and JT.

 

[jdbraver]

I want so much to believe that we are planning on making a move for Asik or Varejao or some starting level defensive minded center. But why not wait until you actually trade for him before signing Carl Landry? It was not like Landry was this hot commodity that every team in the league was trying to acquire.

I doubt Landry starts. Lets wait and see b4 making assumptions either way.

 

[The_Jamal]

BECAUSE he Fu****g didn't. AGAIN and (I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH) THE MOTHER ****** PLAYED with cousins already and it DID NOT work. that is why we freakin traded him. it didn't work it didn't work it didn't freakin work. why is this so hard for you to understadn the sob was here before it didn't freakin work. JT worked much better with CUZ much much much much better not statistically for JT but for Cuz and for the team.

Well, you're obviously basing your opinion on pure emotion and not factual evidence that is staring u in the face. So kudos for that.

Either way, it's not going to matter much. I don't think Landry and Cousins see much floor time together. Malone will use Landry in a similar fashion as they did in GSW. And if that;s what we're expecting of him, then this deal makes a ton of sense, as long as we go acquire a defensive-minded big next to Cousins

 

[jdbraver]

Well, you're obviously basing your opinion on pure emotion and not factual evidence that is staring u in the face. So kudos for that.

Either way, it's not going to matter much. I don't think Landry and Cousins see much floor time together. Malone will use Landry in a similar fashion as they did in GSW. And if that;s what we're expecting of him, then this deal makes a ton of sense, as long as we go acquire a defensive-minded big next to Cousins

This.

 

[dude12]

Bucks signed Pachalia...I'm pretty sure that gives them an excess in Bigs and a shortage of guards. Would love to somehow get Illyasova or Mbah a Moute or Henson or just shed Fredettes or Thorntons salary.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I will eat my hat if Carl Landry is the starter. It doesn't matter if he "can't" play with Cousins because he won't be.


And I think he 'can' under certain circumstances. Again, Not. A. Starter.

 

[The_Jamal]

look at the year before. we traded him that year genious. he averaged 18 pts 6.5 reb. the absolute best of his ENTIRE FN CAREER with the kings and IT didn't damn work with CUZ. your missing the point we aren't buildig around landry.

When did I say we're building around Landry? I've clearly stated his best role is how he was used with GSW. Now you're just saying **** that isn't true.

Anyway I'm done with this "argument" with you (quite possibly the most generous use of the word). You obviously can't get over your misguided opinion of Landry.

 

[Entity]

OK. just find me come December. Please please please find me. so you can say youre right entity that sob just don't work on this team with Cuz

 

[Entity]

was you a Kings fan back then by any chance. I mean did you watch every game? I have league pass so i can watch them all. I am sure you were. nobody would join us as a fan in the last 3 years lol

 

[Entity]

I will eat my hat if Carl Landry is the starter. It doesn't matter if he "can't" play with Cousins because he won't be.


And I think he 'can' under certain circumstances. Again, Not. A. Starter.

LOL I hope you're right Mass. BTW you Brick and myself have to be the best fans as we have about 30 teams closer to us than Sacramento. yet here we are day after day year after year.

 

[ovrush]

What the Kings needed and still need was to have players buy into the system and the coaching staff. IN order to do that you need to change the culture of the team. Not every move is made for the same reasons and I am sure the front office isn't going to make public who they think fits and does not fit. We fans appear to want to make sense of every move because we want to build the winner right now. This team had a terrible culture and it needed to be changed. I sure hope that the front office is playing chess because I do not see four moves ahead in anything but I do have my own opinions
1) I wanted a PG who could pass and make assists(done)
2) I saw landry play at GS and wondered why I was impressed with him there but didn't like him here( so I will pass on that)
3) I thought Tyreke does not have the basketball IQ of someone I would pay 11 million a year for
this next one is going to make everyone hate me
4) I don't think Cousins deserves to be the man on this team or any other team( I feel he will be traded)
5) I love the players we have added to the roster(all good character guys who know how to play the game

Let's see what we do with everyone now. I give them three seasons to make the playoffs, two seasons to get better

The Washington Bullets had all the same problems when they were stuck with Chris Webber, Rasheed Wallace, Juwon Howard, Muresam, etc. They also unloaded the guys they thought were bad characters with low basketball IQs in order to balance their roster. They also happened to be the most talented guys. Similar scenario to what we're doing now. You think they don't look back and wish they'd spent the late 90's with Webber and Rasheed as their starting front court?

 

[The_Jamal]

Yeah I was looking at the wrong stats for Landry, my bad. I wouldn't say dominated though, both are about even on the assist, steal, block front. Landry was the slightly better rebounding last season while JT has the better career numbers. Biggest difference is the scoring, both percent and total are clearly in Landry favor. Agreed that both are poor defenders.

Well, dominated in the sense of what we are looking for those guys to do for us. We want those guys to rebound, be able to score effectively and efficiently on role player shots (7-9 FGA), bring toughness, and just provide high levels of energy and hustle every time they come into the game. We're not asking those guys to be a defensive anchor, or be a C-webb/Vlade type playmaker as bigs.

And Landry does all of that hell of a lot better (especially if he continues to board like he did last year) than Ppat or JT

 

[sergmatt]

OK. just find me come December. Please please please find me. so you can say youre right entity that sob just don't work on this team with Cuz

First you called Landry a "MF'er" earlier on this page and now you called him a "SOB". Very classy........

What did he due to you to deserve all of the hate and insults.

If you don't like the move whatever but considering Carl Landry is widely regarded as one of the nicest, well-spoken, and classiest players in the league it would be nice if you could at least speak of him with some semblance of respect.

 

[Bricklayer]

This is my take as well. Landry is a clear upgrade over JT and Ppat. That much is not in question.

Oh good lord. That much is very much in question. Always has been. And is why Landry is earning right in that same range of money after years of teams dumping him and declining to offer him these contracts. He's a jopurneyman. Nothing more. You might be the last person in the NBA who apparently hasn't seen past the Landry charade. He only does one thing well. He does a lot of things not well.

JT is at least his equal, and has a better skillset next to Cousins.

I rate Landry as better than PPat, but its not a blowout, and PPat's stretchiness gives him a niche use which Landry does not have.

 

[Entity]

First you called Landry a "MF'er" earlier on this page and now you called him a "SOB". Very classy........

What did he due to you to deserve all of the hate and insults.

If you don't like the move whatever but considering Carl Landry is widely regarded as one of the nicest, well-spoken, and classiest players in the league it would be nice if you could at least speak of him with some semblance of respect.

well by all means lets stack the lineup with priest. I don't care if he saves baby chickens and grooms stray poodles. he don't need to be here PERIOD

 

[The_Jamal]

was you a Kings fan back then by any chance. I mean did you watch every game? I have league pass so i can watch them all. I am sure you were. nobody would join us as a fan in the last 3 years lol

Resorting to "Have you seen him play?" arguments are we? Yea, there's no bias in that

And I shall.

 

[The_Jamal]

Oh good lord. That much is very much in question. Always has been. And is why Landry is earning right in that same range of money. You might be the last person in the NBA who apparently hasn't seen past the Landry charade. He only does one thing well. He does a lot of things not well.

Good thing I'm not in the NBA! I'm just some goober who likes numbers. However, at least I attempt to back up my claims with some factual backing. The same cannot be said for others in this forum

PDA and I should hang out. We'd probably make good freinds

 

[Entity]

Well, dominated in the sense of what we are looking for those guys to do for us. We want those guys to rebound, be able to score effectively and efficiently on role player shots (7-9 FGA), bring toughness, and just provide high levels of energy and hustle every time they come into the game. We're not asking those guys to be a defensive anchor, or be a C-webb/Vlade type playmaker as bigs.

And Landry does all of that hell of a lot better (especially if he continues to board like he did last year) than Ppat or JT

you are seeing 6 rebounds right? i mean you act like he is Hakeem. he would have to play a whole game without rest to get a double double. JT had like 16 last year

 

[BonziFan]

well by all means lets stack the lineup with priest. I don't care if he saves baby chickens and grooms stray poodles. he don't need to be here PERIOD

Comments like these just make you look bad. Just stop already. I get you don't like the move.... Fine, but no need to act like an idiot

 

[sergmatt]

well by all means lets stack the lineup with priest. I don't care if he saves baby chickens and grooms stray poodles. he don't need to be here PERIOD

Well he is here and not a thing you can do about it. Being in that he's done nothing personally to you one would think you'd have enough class not to keep calling him names because he doesn't play basketball exactly the way you want him to.

Some of the members of this forum are not exactly acting like those deserving of a winning team.

Seriously starting to sound like uneducated low-class Laker fans.......

 

[Entity]

Good thing I'm not in the NBA! I'm just some goober who likes numbers. However, at least I attempt to back up my claims with some factual backing. The same cannot be said for others in this forum

PDA and I should hang out. We'd probably make good freinds

your facts are flawed. your compar Landry's number from GS and think they translate to SAC. GS very much a perimeter team with Curry, Thompson, barnes. We are banking on Cuz. you can't have Landry waddling around the post with Cuz.

besides your numbers are the same that we see. JT and Landry pretty much same stats across the board. JT better on defense though and he knows his role next to cousins. we need a back up though maybe landry will be decent at that but we all prefer a shot blocker. Landry hasn't averaged 1 blk per game since high school

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

Something just him... in a press conference Vivek/PDA said analytics were widely misused and it would be theire secret sauce... so signing a guy who is one of the best assisters (Vasquez) and is a very efficient scorer (Landry) could be logical in that department...

 

[Entity]

Well he is here and not a thing you can do about it. Being in that he's done nothing personally to you one would think you'd have enough class not to keep calling him names because he doesn't play basketball exactly the way you want him to.

Some of the members of this forum are not exactly acting like those deserving of a winning team.

Seriously starting to sound like uneducated low-class Laker fans.......

block me or leave then. all i can tell you partner. saying I am classless uneducated whatever you want. I don't care. i guess thats what winning fans sound like then huh? I will give up the class for a championship. not trying to win a merit badge here. again block me if i offend you.

 

[The_Jamal]

you are seeing 6 rebounds right? i mean you act like he is Hakeem. he would have to play a whole game without rest to get a double double. JT had like 16 last year

Straw man argument. Big time.

23 MPG= 6 RPG 14.2 TRB%
28 MPG= 6.7 RPG 13.8 TRB%

Just because JT has a higher RPG average, doesn't mean he was the better rebounder last season. His 5 extra MPG explains that easily enough.

TRB% gives you a look at the % of rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor. As you can see, it's about equal. Given Landry being the much more effective offensive player, it's no contest as to why Landry is superior.