Kings sign Carl Landry
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This appears to be his argument, just posted on twitter. A strawman once again as is becoming common around here, lumping being grateful for Vivek rescuing the team with the basketball related decisions thus far and/or fabricating the point we're asking for a championship team right away.
Carmichael Dave @CarmichaelDave
Dear @vivek:
Thank you for saving us from the brink of extinction. Now please build a champion in 5 days EXACTLY AS WE SAY.
-Kings Fans
Carmichael Dave @CarmichaelDave
Dear @vivek:
Thank you for saving us from the brink of extinction. Now please build a champion in 5 days EXACTLY AS WE SAY.
-Kings Fans
Sorry, Dave, you're wrong on that. It's not OK for people to go around pissing on (from poll results) more than half of this team's fanbase, calling us whiny ungrateful crybabies, simply because we're not happy with two personnel decisions. As someone who has a lot of pull, you shouldn't encourage that.
yeah I am getting tired of the "Vivek saved the team we shoudl be greatful and shouldn't question moves" I am not even from Sacramento. I could easily watch them in seattle or wherever. This is about Basketball and SO FAR making moves that have already failed once and letting talent walk and going after pathetic journeymen thats 15th on a roster (sam Young). It gets kinda old. I am a long time fan and feel like i can complain if i want without the "he saved the team crap" yeah i know great job. but whats the point in saving a drowning dog if you are gonna kick it and not feed it.
I disagree 1000%. PDA is filling this roster with plays HE wants. He's putting his stamp on this roster from day 1 and finding players he wants to run a team with. Whether u think it's been good or bad is obviously your own personal opinion. But our off-season is not due to a lack of planning whatsoever and it's rather ignorant to say he's just blindly signing players without a plan in mind
Actually, judging by twitter, he's preparing to go on radio Monday morning and rip the fans who are pissing him off which if likely anyone questioning these moves(remind you of a certain red head?). And I'm guessing that argument is based around not being grateful, rather than having any substance to back up why these moves are a positive.
So we are somehow not real fans because we're upset with the direction this team is going? What are we even doing here then? These are the people who never quit even when it looked like the team was moving. Many of us poured our own time and money into doing everything we could possibly do to make sure the team didn't leave and you're questioning our commitment because we feel passionately about the direction this team should go? Shame on you for thinking yourself superior for having a different opinion than someone else. You know what I want? I want every game sold out next season. I want to see Cousins grinning on the bench and high-fiving his teammates as we win our 50th game of the season. I want to see playoff basketball in Arco Arena (Sleep Train) again and after that in the new arena downtown with championship banners hanging from the rafters. I want to see all of the casual fans in Sacramento who stopped going to games because of all the losing re-energized and excited about Kings basketball again. And the only reason I'm still here writing about this is because I care so damn much that it's painful to me to see someone new come in and make what I think are huge mistakes. I don't think 50 wins was impossible next season and there would have been so much goodwill generated by seeing these same few guys we rooted for through thick and thin, who cheered along with us when the announcement came that the Kings were staying, getting a chance to have a silver lining too and win finally. In one week we've thrown all of that away, and it sucks. As a fan it sucks. Glad we still have a team, but I couldn't disagree more with the direction Pete has taken since he was given the GM job.
Carmichael Dave, I don't have a single bad thing to say about you. But you can't honestly expect us to stop disagreeing about which players we need to keep and which we need to trade simply because we won, we kept our team, and it's going to be all holding hands and singing kumbaya from here on out. I would much rather be discussing the future of Kings basketball than watching Seattle-ites gloat that their city is better than ours and the NBA proved it. You really want to be a good spokesman for the Sacramento Kings? How about embracing diversity and dissent and allowing Vivek to prove to us himself that he's not just an owner in name, a guy with a big bank account, but an owner who is going to return this team to a winning tradition? People who follow you blindly no matter what you do aren't very valuable disciples. Now people who you've won over by proving to them that you're worthy of their praise and appreciation? Those are the folks you really want on your side. And if you have faith in Vivek that he's going to win us over in the end, why come here and chastise us for hanging on every Twitter comment and debating the merits of every deal long into the night?
Disapointing but not surprising. Having a team is amazing. Having a team that sucks isn't. For a while, the first will outweigh the second but not nearly as long as people think.
There very well could be a plan behind all this that leads somewhere great. But if Vivek, PDA and Dave think people are going to put up with directionless losing for multiple seasons, well...
There very well could be a plan behind all this that leads somewhere great. But if Vivek, PDA and Dave think people are going to put up with directionless losing for multiple seasons, well...
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With the personnel on this team as of right now this doesn't make sense. Especially with jt and ppat. Oh and no sf. That being said I have no idea what Pete D's vision is. And most likely none of us will know for now. I'm willing to wait til the end of the off season before getting hysterical.
Vasquez and Landry are solid, just not what we need unless we move folks. Maybe we will see a need after more moves.
Vasquez and Landry are solid, just not what we need unless we move folks. Maybe we will see a need after more moves.
I'll "contribute", not that it ever gets anywhere. I know I should lurk, but I can't help it.
Again, as I said on twitter- if you told me May 1 that we could keep the team and get a new arena, but we had to go 0-82 this year and BBQ Slamson, I would grab a knife and some Kingsford.
And yes, I know the knee jerk e-reaction is "don't question my thanks to Vivek, it's a message board, it's my opinion, etc". I get it. And you're totally correct.
So far, we have Evans gone and Landry and Vasquez. Cool. Are we done? I don't know. Do you? Sure it's cool not to like the move. That's cool and the gang man. But it's laughable to see some saying "Same old Kings, going nowhere, PDA sucks, etc. This is what happens when you play too much fantasy basketball.
The dude JUST STARTED. Like 5 minutes ago it seems. Not only does he have to build, he has to undo a lot of wrongs. Sure we have too many power forwards. Maybe there's a trade coming. Maybe he got Landry to help change the culture. Maybe DMC trust and listens to Landry. Hell, I don't know. All I'm saying, in MY OPINION, is maybe glow in the fact that we are currently playing with house money (keeping the team), and let these guys have a shot. Maybe let these guys not pay the price for previous ineptitude.
I seem to recall a retirement ceremony for Chris Mullin at Oracle. The fans booed Joe Lacob off the floor basically because they were pissed at Chris Cohan. Lacob and Rick Barry pleaded for patience. They got booed.
I wonder if every fan that booed has sent a heartfelt and handwritten apology to Lacob. Ill bet not. Because, of course, the Internet is a place where you can anonymously throw stones, and have no accountability down the line. And that's ok too. But let's at least recognize that.
Then again, I'm a better cheerleader than a basketball mind. So I'm probably wrong.
Again, as I said on twitter- if you told me May 1 that we could keep the team and get a new arena, but we had to go 0-82 this year and BBQ Slamson, I would grab a knife and some Kingsford.
And yes, I know the knee jerk e-reaction is "don't question my thanks to Vivek, it's a message board, it's my opinion, etc". I get it. And you're totally correct.
So far, we have Evans gone and Landry and Vasquez. Cool. Are we done? I don't know. Do you? Sure it's cool not to like the move. That's cool and the gang man. But it's laughable to see some saying "Same old Kings, going nowhere, PDA sucks, etc. This is what happens when you play too much fantasy basketball.
The dude JUST STARTED. Like 5 minutes ago it seems. Not only does he have to build, he has to undo a lot of wrongs. Sure we have too many power forwards. Maybe there's a trade coming. Maybe he got Landry to help change the culture. Maybe DMC trust and listens to Landry. Hell, I don't know. All I'm saying, in MY OPINION, is maybe glow in the fact that we are currently playing with house money (keeping the team), and let these guys have a shot. Maybe let these guys not pay the price for previous ineptitude.
I seem to recall a retirement ceremony for Chris Mullin at Oracle. The fans booed Joe Lacob off the floor basically because they were pissed at Chris Cohan. Lacob and Rick Barry pleaded for patience. They got booed.
I wonder if every fan that booed has sent a heartfelt and handwritten apology to Lacob. Ill bet not. Because, of course, the Internet is a place where you can anonymously throw stones, and have no accountability down the line. And that's ok too. But let's at least recognize that.
Then again, I'm a better cheerleader than a basketball mind. So I'm probably wrong.
It's not the questioning of the moves, or even of you're a glass half full vs half empty person. It's the complete hysteria that is happening on this forum (mainly coming from 5 to 10 members). I know nobody cares for my humble opinion on this, but its completely taken the fun out of seeing how this team comes together and definitely taken the fun out of this forum. I'm taking a break from this site for a few weeks. Life is too short to get agitated over all of this (and yes, I consider myself a hard core fan).
One more thing, sorry. I've been posting here since I was a caller. Brick said something the other day about how because I am who I am blah blah carries a certain weight blah. Malarkey. I'm a fan just like anyone and I'm as full of garbage as the next guy. I'm not paid by the Kings and if they do something I think is stupid I will yell and scream as well.
I "embrace debate", in fact, I seek it out. Constantly. And if you disagree with me or anyone else I don't think you're less of a fan. That's BS. I don't ask for not require special quarter. I resent it. If you agree with me fine, if not, great. But grassroots stuff and RV trips and blah blah are all in the past and I've been thanked enough for 100 lifetimes and I am honored and humbled.
But now it's back to being all one dysfunctional family. I just want to pop on and debate like all of you when I can. If I need to change my screen name so be it.
My opinion continues to be that these guys deserve our trust and faith.
I "embrace debate", in fact, I seek it out. Constantly. And if you disagree with me or anyone else I don't think you're less of a fan. That's BS. I don't ask for not require special quarter. I resent it. If you agree with me fine, if not, great. But grassroots stuff and RV trips and blah blah are all in the past and I've been thanked enough for 100 lifetimes and I am honored and humbled.
But now it's back to being all one dysfunctional family. I just want to pop on and debate like all of you when I can. If I need to change my screen name so be it.
My opinion continues to be that these guys deserve our trust and faith.
Who am I ripping? Why can't I? How is it "unfair"??
I'm right here. Would you rather me separate myself from "the masses" and stick behind the microphone? I'm the same guy/girl you are. As full of poo as anyone. My higher standard is to talk kings with anyone anywhere. This is the type of heavy breathing hysterics I'm talking about.
I'm right here. Would you rather me separate myself from "the masses" and stick behind the microphone? I'm the same guy/girl you are. As full of poo as anyone. My higher standard is to talk kings with anyone anywhere. This is the type of heavy breathing hysterics I'm talking about.
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