Evans for Vasquez
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I think the main question that should be asked about Tyreke is whether not he was that complimentary piece for Cousins. This team has already pretty much said that Cousins is the cornerstone here, and he should be. I know the coaching was bad but I have seen very little evidence of any great chemistry on the floor between Cousins and Evans and when you look at what both do best, they could very well get in eachothers way more than anything. If Tyreke develops into a lights out shooter it could've worked maybe.
See the punctuation mark at the end of my first sentence in the new snark? The question mark indicates a question, not a statement of fact or a strawman argument. Your posts all seem to indicate, at least to me, that you've pretty much already made your decision about the new front office. I happen to disagree. And yes, I'm going to remain hopeful and show support for the new guys. You're drawing conclusions from incomplete evidence, IMHO. And that's fine, if that's your wont. All I'm trying to say is you cannot really fault others for not wanting to jump off that particular cliff quite yet. It's not about "banking" on Vivek and PDA as much as it is watching the whole movie before faulting the ending.
You know I respect you, rainmaker. I just think at times you're the Yin to my Yang. You're as apt to look at things in the "glass half empty" view as I am in the "glass half full."
You know I respect you, rainmaker. I just think at times you're the Yin to my Yang. You're as apt to look at things in the "glass half empty" view as I am in the "glass half full."
Vasquez will maximize the use of Cousins, McLemore, Thornton, pick and roll/pop will be great with him and Cousins, JT, P Pat. IT can finally become that Bobby J sixth man. If we keep Jimmer he becomes a useful piece(or we use him as trade bait). Amnesty Salmons, and look for that high caliber SF.
All of a sudden we have guys in Cousins, Thornton, IT, Vasquez, potentially McLemore(lets wait and see) who all play with intensity and fire. Where last year we would look to Tyreke to bring the fire, and he just didn't deliver, and it held everyone back tbh.
All of a sudden we have guys in Cousins, Thornton, IT, Vasquez, potentially McLemore(lets wait and see) who all play with intensity and fire. Where last year we would look to Tyreke to bring the fire, and he just didn't deliver, and it held everyone back tbh.
Here is the problem. If Tyreke was an unrestricted FA and he wanted to go to NO then this is a no-brainer deal. You do the S&T and you get back an asset in Vasquez and you do it every time.
However, he is a restricted FA in time around. So it's impossible for him to 'walk for nothing' if we don't want him to.
As mentioned before, we're getting 2 things for Tyreke. We're getting Vasquez and we're getting cap space.
Tyreke is the far, far, far more valuable piece than Vasquez. We now know that Vasquez wasn't even our first PG choice...and that they really wanted Calderon.
So the only way this is a good move is if we get a great impact player with the cap space that is gained via the Tyreke for Vasquez swap.
If we don't get an impact player, then this is simply a bad move. And the reason it's a bad move is very simple.
We have the ability to sign Tyreke and retain his services...and then trade him on OUR terms if we need to. Tyreke is a valuable asset and he will continue to be a valuable asset at 11m/year.
So from an asset standpoint Tyreke at 11m/year is better value than Vasquez + 9m wasted cap space.
It could very well be that DA has a lot of plans for this cap space. He could still try to bring in AI/Granger/Gay to have an impact SF alongside Cousins/Vasquez/B-Mac. Or it could get wasted on the likes of Chuck Hayes/Ben Gordan/Charlie V.
But the Kings FO is in the driver's seat when it comes to Tyreke. He can't walk for nothing...and the FO had better have a plan to use the cap space to bring back an impact player else this will have been a poor decision by them.
However, he is a restricted FA in time around. So it's impossible for him to 'walk for nothing' if we don't want him to.
As mentioned before, we're getting 2 things for Tyreke. We're getting Vasquez and we're getting cap space.
Tyreke is the far, far, far more valuable piece than Vasquez. We now know that Vasquez wasn't even our first PG choice...and that they really wanted Calderon.
So the only way this is a good move is if we get a great impact player with the cap space that is gained via the Tyreke for Vasquez swap.
If we don't get an impact player, then this is simply a bad move. And the reason it's a bad move is very simple.
We have the ability to sign Tyreke and retain his services...and then trade him on OUR terms if we need to. Tyreke is a valuable asset and he will continue to be a valuable asset at 11m/year.
So from an asset standpoint Tyreke at 11m/year is better value than Vasquez + 9m wasted cap space.
It could very well be that DA has a lot of plans for this cap space. He could still try to bring in AI/Granger/Gay to have an impact SF alongside Cousins/Vasquez/B-Mac. Or it could get wasted on the likes of Chuck Hayes/Ben Gordan/Charlie V.
But the Kings FO is in the driver's seat when it comes to Tyreke. He can't walk for nothing...and the FO had better have a plan to use the cap space to bring back an impact player else this will have been a poor decision by them.
good lord, this is pathetic. i love how all of the posters so quick to criticize tyreke's game just because he played on a bad team are so ready and willing to excuse vasquez of the same. he's much less efficient than 'reke (43% from the field last season, and no better than evans from three), he's turnover prone, without much of a rim attack, and with a considerably lower ceiling. oh, not to mention the fact that he's yet another weak defender on a team full of guards who couldn't stop my grandma. what a talent bleed. the gloaters can have their moment in the sun, but if the kings' vaunted cap space goes unused, or is spent on further mediocre talent, the new regime is poised to stack blunders on top of blunders in year one. so disappointed in their lack if vision, and in their poor management of one of the few genuine assets they had...
Vasquez puts up good stats for fantasy, but I'm not so sure he is good for wins. Guys blow by him all the time and he turns the ball over at an alarming rate. No argument about his assists, hopefully that will make up for his deficiencies and if he can mesh as a team guy with McLemore and Cousins then there's potential for success.
Now we need to fill the SF position.
Now we need to fill the SF position.
Thing is, an impact player isn't a role player, so not even AK would count. Are we going to flat out sign an impact, star FA in the coming weeks? Well, if we did it'd be the first time in Sac history we ever did that.
So, then we look at trades and absorbing salary for that impact player. Aside from Cuz, which player do we have that will garner an impact player in return, and on top of that do so while sending less salary than we receive?
Anyone thinking we can just acquire an impact player, I'd like to see some examples of what we can do in the next few weeks. Sounds fine until you think about our history as a market, the FA's available, and what it would take to trade for an impact player with the pieces we have.
So, then we look at trades and absorbing salary for that impact player. Aside from Cuz, which player do we have that will garner an impact player in return, and on top of that do so while sending less salary than we receive?
Anyone thinking we can just acquire an impact player, I'd like to see some examples of what we can do in the next few weeks. Sounds fine until you think about our history as a market, the FA's available, and what it would take to trade for an impact player with the pieces we have.
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