Kings trading Evans for Vasquez/Lopez
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On vacation far away, but this what I wake up to? Wtf? My question about trusting the FO is Why? What have they done? What have they earned? All I'm seeing is one screw up after the other. No Andre, no Tyreke. They got lucky with mclemore. Even an idiot couldn't have screwed that up. At least Petrie actually went out and got quality players. These 2 guys? Sigh...
On vacation far away, but this what I wake up to? Wtf? My question about trusting the FO is Why? What have they done? What have they earned? All I'm seeing is one screw up after the other. No Andre, no Tyreke. They got lucky with mclemore. Even an idiot couldn't have screwed that up. At least Petrie actually went out and got quality players. These 2 guys? Sigh...
on Cuz??
And the right to use amnesty would roll over to next year I think. Think you have to use it by a certain date, or it rolls to the next year.
The thing about the amnesty thing is its easy to suggest, but Vivek just got done paying $535mil for the team (well, less, but that was the valuation). Just casually saying hey, he should eat another $7.5mil to keep John Salmons in beer and pizza for a season at home in front of the TV is a lot more palatable to those of us in the cheap seats than I'm sure it is to Vivek.
And the right to use amnesty would roll over to next year I think. Think you have to use it by a certain date, or it rolls to the next year.
The thing about the amnesty thing is its easy to suggest, but Vivek just got done paying $535mil for the team (well, less, but that was the valuation). Just casually saying hey, he should eat another $7.5mil to keep John Salmons in beer and pizza for a season at home in front of the TV is a lot more palatable to those of us in the cheap seats than I'm sure it is to Vivek.
Haven't posted in years, but this. Post. Was . Awesome.
Have a little faith in seeing the process through. It's what our fan base usually does and now we have an ownership group, coach and GM that has a vision ( I don't count the last ownership groups vision of moving the franchise). Tyreke Evans is not irreplaceable. Cousins would be the guy who is irreplaceable. I like Tyreke. I like Vazquez. I like Lopez. I like the cap space where we could get something else.......more moves to be made. This process can't be done in 1 summer.
Have a little faith in seeing the process through. It's what our fan base usually does and now we have an ownership group, coach and GM that has a vision ( I don't count the last ownership groups vision of moving the franchise). Tyreke Evans is not irreplaceable. Cousins would be the guy who is irreplaceable. I like Tyreke. I like Vazquez. I like Lopez. I like the cap space where we could get something else.......more moves to be made. This process can't be done in 1 summer.
This whole thing is still very much a work in progress. If we do amnesty Salmons and end up with around $20 million in cap space, it opens up a whole lot more of discussions. Remember, they said we were going to be very active this off-season. I'll miss Tryeke but as long as the guy leaving doesn't wear #15, I'm not gonna over-react.
Based off numbers from http://www.basketball-reference.com....
Marcus Thornton $8,050,000.00
John Salmons $7,583,000.00
Chuck Hayes $5,722,500.00
Jason Thompson $5,643,750.00
DeMarcus Cousins $4,916,974.00
Patrick Patterson $3,105,302.00
Travis Outlaw $3,000,000.00
Jimmer Fredette $2,493,840.00
Isaiah Thomas $884,293.00
Aaron Brooks $686,419.00
Greivis Vasquez $2,150,188.00
Ben McLemore $2,413,300.00
Total Salaries $46,649,566.00
Cap $58,500,000.00
Cap Space $11,850,434.00
Marcus Thornton $8,050,000.00
John Salmons $7,583,000.00
Chuck Hayes $5,722,500.00
Jason Thompson $5,643,750.00
DeMarcus Cousins $4,916,974.00
Patrick Patterson $3,105,302.00
Travis Outlaw $3,000,000.00
Jimmer Fredette $2,493,840.00
Isaiah Thomas $884,293.00
Aaron Brooks $686,419.00
Greivis Vasquez $2,150,188.00
Ben McLemore $2,413,300.00
Total Salaries $46,649,566.00
Cap $58,500,000.00
Cap Space $11,850,434.00
on Cuz??
And the right to use amnesty would roll over to next year I think. Think you have to use it by a certain date, or it rolls to the next year.
The thing about the amnesty thing is its easy to suggest, but Vivek just got done paying $535mil for the team (well, less, but that was the valuation). Just casually saying hey, he should eat another $7.5mil to keep John Salmons in beer and pizza for a season at home in front of the TV is a lot more palatable to those of us in the cheap seats than I'm sure it is to Vivek.
And the right to use amnesty would roll over to next year I think. Think you have to use it by a certain date, or it rolls to the next year.
The thing about the amnesty thing is its easy to suggest, but Vivek just got done paying $535mil for the team (well, less, but that was the valuation). Just casually saying hey, he should eat another $7.5mil to keep John Salmons in beer and pizza for a season at home in front of the TV is a lot more palatable to those of us in the cheap seats than I'm sure it is to Vivek.
Well you may have noted a certain Carmichael resident made a pass through here a bit ago. He might not have actually been confirming things -- my ears were kind of ringing at the time, so it was hard to make out -- but he certainly seemed enthusiastic and has been tweeting various hints and whatnot all week. So not sure that's a confirmation, but it certainly wasn't an angry Ailene is stupid denial. Seemed to be a different target for the ire.
-- but he certainly seemed enthusiastic and has been tweeting various hints and whatnot all week. So not sure that's a confirmation, but it certainly wasn't an angry Ailene is stupid denial. Seemed to be a different target for the ire. The problem with the trade is that we suddenly wind up with no one on roster who can break down a defense in the back court. As much as everyone loves the "true" point guard, none ever seem to win. Teams that win have 2 stars and 3 role players. With Tyreke we have two stars (we've just never given him and DMC role players or a coach), without Tyreke we're just like any number of losing teams across the league with one start who's just biding their time to go sign with others. Losing Tyreke means we lose Cousins eventually unless we luck out in the lottery.
Also, I don't know if anyone has noticed, but it's not teams built on roleplayers that are winning in the NBA. It's Stars. It's not good basketball that is winning in the NBA, it's spacing and isoing stars. For the record I don't think it's fun to watch, but it's pretty easy to acknowledge. If you think Either Vasquez or Lopez can be stars you're fooling yourself. Tyreke may not be a star, but you have to be very jaded to say flat out he doesn't have that potential with a modicum of coaching.
At least we aren't letting him walk. Hearing people espouse letting him walk has been driving me insane. No one signs with the Kings... ever. To build a team we have to do it through the draft and good trades. Like him or don't it's tough to argue Tyreke isn't one of the two best players the Kings have ever drafted. You don't let that talent walk without getting something back if you're a small market Sacramento team. People who think we can let him walk and realistically use the cap space on anything other than something we wind up regretting are fooling themselves.
Also, I don't know if anyone has noticed, but it's not teams built on roleplayers that are winning in the NBA. It's Stars. It's not good basketball that is winning in the NBA, it's spacing and isoing stars. For the record I don't think it's fun to watch, but it's pretty easy to acknowledge. If you think Either Vasquez or Lopez can be stars you're fooling yourself. Tyreke may not be a star, but you have to be very jaded to say flat out he doesn't have that potential with a modicum of coaching.
At least we aren't letting him walk. Hearing people espouse letting him walk has been driving me insane. No one signs with the Kings... ever. To build a team we have to do it through the draft and good trades. Like him or don't it's tough to argue Tyreke isn't one of the two best players the Kings have ever drafted. You don't let that talent walk without getting something back if you're a small market Sacramento team. People who think we can let him walk and realistically use the cap space on anything other than something we wind up regretting are fooling themselves.
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Iggy is virtually the ONLY high priced free agent that makes sense as a target. But god, after Tuesday would he still talk to us?
On that front maybe Dave has more inside knowledge of what actually happened than we do. And Iggy/Vasquez combo package, albeit at $16mil is certainly a lot better recompense than a Lopez/Vasquez package.
On that front maybe Dave has more inside knowledge of what actually happened than we do. And Iggy/Vasquez combo package, albeit at $16mil is certainly a lot better recompense than a Lopez/Vasquez package.
Iguadala won't be an option. Once Dwight decides there are several big market players that will jump in on Iggy. Iggy is smart by saying he's still considering the Kings because it drives up his price. We're just being used as leverage in this scenario. I just don't think you can count on adding a star through free agency as Sacramento. You draft or trade for your stars, you sign your roleplayers. We should be looking at guys like Kirilenko/Dorrell Wright/Matt Barnes.
I'm still really hoping we aren't giving up a potential star for a couple roleplayers here.
I'm still really hoping we aren't giving up a potential star for a couple roleplayers here.
Wonderful, look at all this capspace! Now we can go out and sign Chris Paul? Nope. Dwight Howard? Yeah right. Andrew Bynum? I think I just threw up. Andre Igoudala? Oh yeah, that didn't work out. Tyreke Evans? No, New Orleans snapped him up. How can anyone be excited about cap space coming off of 7 straight losing seasons? We should be spending cap space on quality players who are going to make us competitive again. Quality players like Tyreke Evans. I've made no secret of my preference for defense the entire time I've been posting on this board. Every year in the playoffs, teams built around defense have their way with the sorry pretenders who rack up sparkling regular season win totals but somehow, predictably and almost without fail, cannot repeat the same magic for 4 series in a row against the best competition in the league. So forgive me for overreacting when we had a chance to build this team in that direction and instead traded one of the most physically imposing guards in the league for a guy who probably can't guard me in a game of pickup ball. Yes Vasquez is a big talented guard who knows how to distribute the ball, but so is Tyreke. And Tyreke comes with the added bonus of also being a special man-to-man defender.
I don't think I'm a better GM than PDA or anyone else in the league. I'm not sitting here and calling them names like an internet Napoleon. I'm simply stating my disdain for our decision to sacrifice defense for passing and salary cap flexibility. It's a decision based on a basketball philosophy that I completely disagree with. I bit my tongue and gave these guys the benefit of the doubt when they said we need to get faster and we needed to find better distributors because it's soundbite stuff for the press. But we're looking at moves with domino consequences now. We were one of the worst teams in the league last year and yet we had no problem scoring the ball, even against elite teams. So the decision to get even worse defensively for a boost in offensive efficiency, maybe, has us headed in the wrong direction I think and I'm pissed about it because things started off so well with the Mike Malone hiring. I've been listening to one front office talk for years and years about improving the defense while all of their actions indicate the exact opposite and now the new regime looks like more of the same. I'm really glad the team is not moving, that doesn't mean I have to blindly accept every front office move from now until the end of time as above reproach.
I don't think I'm a better GM than PDA or anyone else in the league. I'm not sitting here and calling them names like an internet Napoleon. I'm simply stating my disdain for our decision to sacrifice defense for passing and salary cap flexibility. It's a decision based on a basketball philosophy that I completely disagree with. I bit my tongue and gave these guys the benefit of the doubt when they said we need to get faster and we needed to find better distributors because it's soundbite stuff for the press. But we're looking at moves with domino consequences now. We were one of the worst teams in the league last year and yet we had no problem scoring the ball, even against elite teams. So the decision to get even worse defensively for a boost in offensive efficiency, maybe, has us headed in the wrong direction I think and I'm pissed about it because things started off so well with the Mike Malone hiring. I've been listening to one front office talk for years and years about improving the defense while all of their actions indicate the exact opposite and now the new regime looks like more of the same. I'm really glad the team is not moving, that doesn't mean I have to blindly accept every front office move from now until the end of time as above reproach.
Pulling the offer to Iggy a smoke screen to get this sign and trade done with Reke? Maybe Iggy already agreed to the deal with us and we're in colusion with him. If there's no deal with Iggy then there's nothing stopping us from matching the Tyreke deal right? But if there is a deal with Iggy then your cap is used up and the Pelicans can proceed knowing we're not gonna match... hence no reason to give up Vasquez. Or am I overthinking this?
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